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Makosi has told other HM's her 'mission'
Bohochick
09-06-2005
This may be old news...apologies if it is...but at 6am Lesley and Derek and Craig were chatting.

Lesley told Derek and Craig this morning that Lesley had told her that the reason she acted strange in the first week was because she had to as Big Brother told her to do all these wierd things like the apron task, which wasn't true, etc...but she couldn't say anymore and would tell her when she got out.

So now at least 4 people know that Makosi had a secret mission..if not all the details of it.

I don't know if this is significant or not...but wasn't sure if anyone knew, didn't know or if it even matters anymore..or if it is all part of Makosi's clever plan.

She certainly knows what she is doing this girl....as I said last night, she is the most beautiful HM, maybe ever....I admire her...but she is playing the biggest game plan in there.

She sits quietly now, until arguements come up and then she chips in with a comment or two, which brings a HM down, or makes people think, and then she shuts up again.

She has also said some very mean things about other Hm's late at night when I am watching.

I just wonder if all the other HM's will know now and change their opinion of her...or just a selected few.

Derek and Craig were surprised....I am sure Lesley will probably spill to everyone.

As for Makosi, I do not want her to win...and do not like her. I admire her, but there is a difference.

ronnie24
09-06-2005
Interesting I was wondering whether she has spilled the beans to anyone else.
trinity2002
09-06-2005
I think she's playing great. She's clever and knows what she's doing, while at the same time is trying to enjoy the experience. I hope it works, she deserves it
Bohochick
09-06-2005
She is playing a clever game and enjoying it..but I don't want her to win.

I am a bit naive in that I want the winner to be as genuine as possible each year, and as natural as they can be.

Once people start playing games or forcing issues, I might still want to watch them, as it makes interesting TV, but I don't want them to win.
Plant
09-06-2005
Why would telling people about her mission be playing a clever game? What advantage does she get from it?

People were saying before she was playing a game by not telling them. Now she is half telling them and that is even more of a clever game.

I'm confused. It seems everything the housemates do is interpreted as playing a game. If they make someone a cup of tea it's seen as part of a game.
Bohochick
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Plant:
“Why would telling people about her mission be playing a clever game? What advantage does she get from it?

People were saying before she was playing a game by not telling them. Now she is half telling them and that is even more of a clever game.

I'm confused. It seems everything the housemates do is interpreted as playing a game. If they make someone a cup of tea it's seen as part of a game.”


Oh I agree, I get fed up of hearing so and so is playing a game.

But in Makosi's case she is I am sure...but I don't think she is so much playing a game in the 'mission' thing anymore, although I cannot be sure of course. I just put that in as a bit of trivia as alot of us were wondering last week if she would tell anyone, and she has.

It's more the way she will just pop up with a juicy titbit on someone, to start a conversation..then watch it go into a full scale debate...then she sits back or moves away.

It's not just me who has noticed this..a couple of mates of mine pointed it out too. This doesn't get shown in the C4 shows though.
rudi
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Bohochick:
“She is playing a clever game and enjoying it..but I don't want her to win.

I am a bit naive in that I want the winner to be as genuine as possible each year, and as natural as they can be.

Once people start playing games or forcing issues, I might still want to watch them, as it makes interesting TV, but I don't want them to win. ”

I want the eventual winner to be able to say "Haha, I fooled you all, and go on to reveal their real selves. I want them to be able to show us just how they manipulated the HM's and the public. Now that would be clever.

I wonder if anyone has tried to do this (by talking to the public about their tactics via the cameras), but been edited out by BB? It's what I would do. I would go to the loft, say, on my own, and declare to the camera that I was about to start a big argument, or play a game, or go and befriend someone. Then afterwards do the same and claim the credit for succeeding. The public would love this if it was done well. The Makosi task was similar to this.

Rudi ™
Bohochick
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by rudi:
“I want the eventual winner to be able to say "Haha, I fooled you all, and go on to reveal their real selves. I want them to be able to show us just how they manipulated the HM's and the public. Now that would be clever.

I wonder if anyone has tried to do this (by talking to the public about their tactics via the cameras), but been edited out by BB? It's what I would do. I would go to the loft, say, on my own, and declare to the camera that I was about to start a big argument, or play a game, or go and befriend someone. Then afterwards do the same and claim the credit for succeeding. The public would love this if it was done well. The Makosi task was similar to this.

Rudi ™”

Someone did do this didn't they...and we saw through it and didn't like it and voted them out? Or am I thinking of another show.

My brain is a bit foggy this time of the day....who was it again. I want to say Nasty Nick but it seems too obvious. Brain wake up!
Afrodiziak
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Plant:
“Why would telling people about her mission be playing a clever game? What advantage does she get from it?

People were saying before she was playing a game by not telling them. Now she is half telling them and that is even more of a clever game.

I'm confused. It seems everything the housemates do is interpreted as playing a game. If they make someone a cup of tea it's seen as part of a game.”

HAHAHAHAHAHA, laughed my arse off @ that, getting funny looks from my colleagues now...
tisiphone
09-06-2005
Am I the only one that remembers that the whole thing is a gameshow? With the exception of Makosi and Derek everyone in there is too stupid to mount a Machiavellian campaign.
Kewpee
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Bohochick:
“Someone did do this didn't they...and we saw through it and didn't like it and voted them out? Or am I thinking of another show.

My brain is a bit foggy this time of the day....who was it again. I want to say Nasty Nick but it seems too obvious. Brain wake up!”


Adele BB3 told us her tactics in the Diary room I believe.
lulu g
09-06-2005
Makosi is up for the public vote. She doesn't know it is effectively (and unfortunately, IMO) a two-horse race between Lesley and Sam. She is asking herself what she might have done/not done that could lead to her being evicted on Friday. She thinks that some viewers might disapprove of her not telling the others about her secret mission, so she is doing it now, before it's too late. Everything Makosi does is a tactic, from molesting Science and Anthony the night before nominations, to streaking round the garden last night, to telling Lesley her secret this morning. Of course, she knows that, if she tells Lesley, pretty soon everyone will know. This brings the attention back onto her (Makosi) on the eve of eviction, while at the same time making Lesley look bad to the viewers for blabbing. Sorted.
Plant
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“Makosi is up for the public vote. She doesn't know it is effectively (and unfortunately, IMO) a two-horse race between Lesley and Sam. She is asking herself what she might have done/not done that could lead to her being evicted on Friday. She thinks that some viewers might disapprove of her not telling the others about her secret mission, so she is doing it now, before it's too late. Everything Makosi does is a tactic, from molesting Science and Anthony the night before nominations, to streaking round the garden last night, to telling Lesley her secret this morning. Of course, she knows that, if she tells Lesley, pretty soon everyone will know. This brings the attention back onto her (Makosi) on the eve of eviction, while at the same time making Lesley look bad to the viewers for blabbing. Sorted.”

Maybe you're more devious than Makosi though.

What if Lesley doesn't tell everyone? What happens to her "plan" then?

And if she's doing it because she thinks the viewers will want it why doesn't she stage a "confession" like Vanessa's?

The thing about being manipulative is you've got to have an almost superhuman ability to tell what people are actually going to do and people are not that predictable as Derek has found to his cost.
elena
09-06-2005
Dunno how manipulative and cunning Makosi is (and I'm sure she must be to some extent) but she's a fab character.
Pearl Necklace
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“Adele BB3 told us her tactics in the Diary room I believe. ”

Victor is the one I remember for diary room tactic talk.
elena
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“Adele BB3 told us her tactics in the Diary room I believe. ”

I thought Adele tried very hard to cover her bitching up and denied she bitched that much to Davina in her eviction interview
Plant
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by elena:
“I thought Adele tried very hard to cover her bitching up and denied she bitched that much to Davina in her eviction interview ”

Adele said in the diary room she was nominating people because she thought they would nominate her. She also said she was nominating someone because she thought they were competition.

Fair enough to me, but that made her evil in some people's eyes.
elena
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Plant:
“Adele said in the diary room she was nominating people because she thought they would nominate her. She also said she was nominating someone because she thought they were competition.

Fair enough to me, but that made her evil in some people's eyes.”

Oh, OK then. I clearly forgot that bit.

At least she was truthful...
lulu g
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Plant:
“Maybe you're more devious than Makosi though.

What if Lesley doesn't tell everyone? What happens to her "plan" then?

And if she's doing it because she thinks the viewers will want it why doesn't she stage a "confession" like Vanessa's?

The thing about being manipulative is you've got to have an almost superhuman ability to tell what people are actually going to do and people are not that predictable as Derek has found to his cost.”

If Lesley doesn't tell the others, she still has the option of telling them herself.

The moment has passed for a staged confession like Vanessa's.
Bella73
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by rudi:
“I want the eventual winner to be able to say "Haha, I fooled you all, and go on to reveal their real selves. I want them to be able to show us just how they manipulated the HM's and the public. Now that would be clever.

I wonder if anyone has tried to do this (by talking to the public about their tactics via the cameras), but been edited out by BB? It's what I would do.”

I agree, I would quite like something like that to happen. Jon Tickle did a bit of that when he went back into the house but of course he wasn't really a competitor any more because he couldn't win the money. But he did discuss tactics in the DR and also talk to the cameras about things when nobody else was around. He didn't quite live up to it all though, if I remember right.

However, I loved the BB I saw in the US for this - I think it was in its second year and there was a contestant called Will who went to the DR to discuss all his tactics and the lies he was going to tell and stuff. It was really enjoyable actually to see him acting one way in the house and another in the DR - a bit like Makosi with her task. Something satisfying about it, or maybe that just makes me weird?? Anyway, Will made it to the final 2 but that's because there is no public vote in the US (or at least there wasn't then) just the votes of the other housemates so obviously they didn't know what was going on in the DR.
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