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Has Sam got mental health problems?
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media
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by silver_lining:
“I dont think she has mental health issues, but I do think that she isnt really a suitable candidate for big brother.

she's just not a comfortable person and is definitely more at ease as an observer, and this isnt the sort of person that should be there

I'm beginning to realise that she's not a bad person”

I'm glad someone started this thread. I got the impression watching her today,maybe she has a mental health problem. There are over 1,000 psychological disorders. Maybe Sam has a split personality or something like that.

Furthermore, when people are talking to her, sam appears distant from the conversation. The only contribution Sam will give is a laugh or a one word answer.

I could blame the bullying for that, however, she was like that before.

I am aware the contestants' undertake a psychological analysis, before entering the house. However, maybe a person with slight soical & psychological problems, is what they were looking for.

There is definitely something wrong.
alibat
09-06-2005
I think Sam's an introvert, while most if not all of the others are extroverts.
JamesJH
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Dannouk:
“Not nervous - desperate. Its a different thing but people on here seem to be confused by the two things.”

Precisely!

Everyone has been so convinced it's all nerves - crap! It's part of her gameplan, she's just failing.
aileenwuornos
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by FXWizard:
“What did she say to Lesley?”

oh.. when asked about why she was so aloof she said that she was naturally unsociable and quite freindless outside the house.
elpaw
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by alibat:
“I think Sam's an introvert, while most if not all of the others are extroverts.”

when was ahmed evicted?
JamesJH
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by elpaw:
“when was ahmed evicted?”

I don't see the relevance?
Mandark
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by silver_lining:
“I dont think she has mental health issues, but I do think that she isnt really a suitable candidate for big brother.

she's just not a comfortable person and is definitely more at ease as an observer, and this isnt the sort of person that should be there

I'm beginning to realise that she's not a bad person”

I'm with you. She's one of those people who's a born loner and easily rubs people up the wrong way. Look at the way she spoke to Anthony when he criticised her about the task.

She's not a bad person though.
elpaw
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by BB-Addict:
“I don't see the relevance? ”

he was quite introverted. im trying to remember when he was evicted
quizbuff2000
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by andy1973:
“Just practicing her model face, don't get too many smiley models. Its all about her wanting to be a model”

Who for, Airfix?
Fight Fan
09-06-2005
Her mum said she was bullied at school as well, she isnt mentally ill its just an anxiety problem that is becoming more extreme because she is in the pressure cooker that is the Big Brother house. I know I couldn't go on Big Brother, not a chance!

I agree that she would probably get on better in a house with people that took an interest in her and not ignore her like this sad lot, I cant stand this years housemates apart from Sam of course.

Now if you look at Lesley & Craig, there is a case of mental health problems!
alibat
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by elpaw:
“he was quite introverted. im trying to remember when he was evicted”

I can't remember but think he may have survived first eviction night with others but when he next went up, was history. I may well be wrong though.
Nicho
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by BB-Addict:
“Precisely!

Everyone has been so convinced it's all nerves - crap! It's part of her gameplan, she's just failing.”


I'm getting fed up to the back teeth with this moronic obsession with "game-plans". Most of the time they don't exist - these people simply are this way. People seem to harp on about them only to make themselves look interesting and clever for having spotted them, when really they are only making themselves look stupid.

Sam is just very insecure, and hasn't any real clue who she is. She has learned to rely on her sexual allure to establish connection with others, and nothing else has been allowed to develop. Most of her words and actions seem to be a failed attempt to play up her image of herself as a sex obsessed free spirit, which covers up the mess and confusion that so obviously lurks inside. She needs space and sympathetic company, rather than ignorant bullying and scorn. If BB had any real nous or responsibility she wouldn't have been allowed on the programme.
Veri
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by media:
“There is definitely something wrong. ”

Yes: she is being picked on by lying, passive-aggressive, hate-filled, manipulative bullies.

It's Craig and Lesley who should never have been allowed in the BB house, not Sam.
Veri
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Nicho:
“Sam is just very insecure, and hasn't any real clue who she is. She has learned to rely on her sexual allure to establish connection with others, and nothing else has been allowed to develop. Most of her words and actions seem to be a failed attempt to play up her image of herself as a sex obsessed free spirit, which covers up the mess and confusion that so obviously lurks inside. She needs space and sympathetic company, rather than ignorant bullying and scorn. If BB had any real nous or responsibility she wouldn't have been allowed on the programme.”

That doesn't fit with how she is when she feels relatively safe from the bullies and their allies.

If BB had any real nous or responsibiity, Craig and Lesley would never have been allowed on the programme.
Nicho
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Veri:
“That doesn't fit with how she is when she feels relatively safe from the bullies and their allies.

If BB had any real nous or responsibiity, Craig and Lesley would never have been allowed on the programme.”


I agree, but what are the chances of 12 reasonable, balanced sensible people being picked for BB? There wouldn't be enough melodrama to satisfy the slavering viewers.

Craig and Lesley are indispensible, and this kind of person will always be chosen ... despicable and boring though they are. It seems to me that Sam is introverted, sensitive and confused. Therefore it's better that she is protected from the dross that will always end up on BB.
pony
09-06-2005
I don't know if I'd call Ahmed an introvert - he was quite good at expressing himself in anger, in public, and he got it all out of his system! An introvert just wouldn't be able to do that. I don't really think Sam is one, either - it wouldn't be normal for an introverted person to give public "I'm so horny" speeches.

While we're all at the amateur diagnostics, I think she has a mild self-absorbtion which prevents her from successful mixing with others. Not to mention low self worth, as evinced by the make-up bag episode.
kidwoofwoof
09-06-2005
I think Sam is interesting ... as a specimen ... she's "got it all" ... she's young, lithe, shapely, attractive, willing to think ... & yet, evidently, she's not happy with herself ...

Young, pretty women out there ... answer me this ... how does it feel to be pretty? ... does it induce anxiety ... knowing that, through no choice of your own, you are something men hanker after? ... & that, therefore, you can never be entirely sure how to judge their overtures ... never know whether you are wanted for something you consider your 'self' ... or simply for your looks ...

And if such anxiety exists ... what is the long term effect of its influence? ... within its orbit ... does every social gambit have to excused by a depreciative laugh ... does every 'serious' statement need to be licensed by a smile? ...

That's how it seems to be with Sam ... a very modern young woman who ... you get the feeling ... doesn't know whether to bless or curse her luck ...
alibat
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by pony:
“I don't know if I'd call Ahmed an introvert - he was quite good at expressing himself in anger, in public, and he got it all out of his system! An introvert just wouldn't be able to do that. I don't really think Sam is one, either - it wouldn't be normal for an introverted person to give public "I'm so horny" speeches.

While we're all at the amateur diagnostics, I think she has a mild self-absorbtion which prevents her from successful mixing with others. Not to mention low self worth, as evinced by the make-up bag episode.”

I agree I don't think Ahmed was either but I do think Sam is. When I studied Pychology about 10 years ago at college, we did a test I came out quite highly as an introvert although I have got quite a strong character.
Veri
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Nicho:
“Craig and Lesley are indispensible, and this kind of person will always be chosen”

No one like them has been chosen before.
Quote:
“ ... despicable and boring though they are. It seems to me that Sam is introverted, sensitive and confused. Therefore it's better that she is protected from the dross that will always end up on BB.”

I don't think Sam is introverted. She pulled into herself because of the bullying; but recently she's started to be much more outgoing and fun, for example in the Sam + Kemal vs Ant + Max water-fight this afternoon.
pony
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by alibat:
“I agree I don't think Ahmed was either but I do think Sam is. When I studied Pychology about 10 years ago at college, we did a test I came out quite highly as an introvert although I have got quite a strong character.”

I don't think Sam has a strong character, really, but she does behave in an extrovert fashion - she paints herself as an avid clubgoer, who is so well known as a local personality that she regularly gets in for free - she says she enjoys casual, unemotional sex - she's willing to sit around all day in bikinis, even when it is cold, on national tv! There's nothing wrong with any of that, if it's what she enjoys, but it doesn't really sit with the introvert diagnosis. A while ago a poster suggested Sam's lack of social skills was due to her good looks usually getting her what she wants, so she's never had to develop much of a personality - I'd think that might be nearer the mark.
Nicho
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Veri:
“No one like them has been chosen before.
I don't think Sam is introverted. She pulled into herself because of the bullying; but recently she's started to be much more outgoing and fun, for example in the Sam + Kemal vs Ant + Max water-fight this afternoon.”


They are very typical. They wear their hearts on their sleeves in a constant incontinent stream of emotional sewage ... all explained away by the modern all embracing get out clause of "I'm being myself". They are typical in the sense they are drama queens, and above all else BB wants drama ... no matter the cost.
peptic pete
09-06-2005
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“Not to mention low self worth, as evinced by the make-up bag episode.”

The makeup bag episode was purely a group of people telling another person in no uncertain terms 'we don't like you - you are not one of us'. If you ever live in a communal atmosphere and something like the makeup bag episode happens to you, it means the others don't want you there.

There was no correct way to react to the episode. If she did nothing they'd keep on at her until she had nothing left. When she reacts they act like she's being unreasonable.

Sam's reacting to a large section of the group singling her out and having a go - Not because she's missing a makeup bag.

I think Sam's coping quite well considering
pony
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by peptic pete:
“The makeup bag episode was purely a group of people telling another person in no uncertain terms 'we don't like you - you are not one of us'. If you ever live in a communal atmosphere and something like the makeup bag episode happens to you, it means the others don't want you there.

There was no correct way to react to the episode. If she did nothing they'd keep on at her until she had nothing left. When she reacts they act like she's being unreasonable.

Sam's reacting to a large section of the group singling her out and having a go - Not because she's missing a makeup bag.

I think Sam's coping quite well considering”

No, disagree entirely. I am going by Sam's diary room performance "it's got my lipgloss in it!!!" - she was showing a massively insecure personal reaction to being deprived of her "props", that she thinks make her attractive, that was utterly apart from the group dynamic. The HMs noticed her dependence on makeup which was why they chose to hide it in the first place. Contrast this with Brigitte Neilson in CBB - she had no make-up for almost the duration of the show, and as an actress, her looks are her livelihood - but she was much more well-balanced about the loss.

The bag-hiding episode did show things about the group - but they also revealed an insight into Sam's personal security levels too. It was most certainly not just about the unpopularity factor.
Nicho
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by pony:
“No, disagree entirely. I am going by Sam's diary room performance "it's got my lipgloss in it!!!" - she was showing a massively insecure personal reaction to being deprived of her "props", that she thinks make her attractive, that was utterly apart from the group dynamic. The HMs noticed her dependence on makeup which was why they chose to hide it in the first place. Contrast this with Brigitte Neilson in CBB - she had no make-up for almost the duration of the show, and as an actress, her looks are her livelihood - but she was much more well-balanced about the loss.

The bag-hiding episode did show things about the group - but they also revealed an insight into Sam's personal security levels too. It was most certainly not just about the unpopularity factor.”



It wasn't about the make-up, as such. It was about being singled out and picked on by the rest of the group, and made to feel isolated. Anybody treated in this way would have every right to be very upset and angry. I think it is a credit to Sam's inner strength that she has apparently come through this event without walking.
Ethna Riley
09-06-2005
I have to agree that make-up alone was not the issue for Sam either. I don't believe she has the understanding or ability to even realsie herself that it was the rejection and bullying aspect of the episode that upset her rather than the loss of lip gloss or any other item in the bag.

By mentioning the lip gloss she was able to skim over the real hurt and significance of what the incident represented.

And no I don't think she's got deep mental health issues - she is coping in a less paranoid way than many people could if they were faced with that level of hostility.

She's just a bit screwed up and wonky, but I really hope she gets to stay in as she might improve and actually get something out of the experience.
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