Originally Posted by dundee_mark:
“Uh-oh......
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“Uh-oh......
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lol...hey, my hide's titanium enhanced, I'll take the flack
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We have had Bad Wolf references from episode two onwards, I honestly feel Adam can't be the Bad Wolf. I think its possible that either another evil Rose or the Doctor is the bad wolf, brought on from Rose's DNA, I think it would be far more shocking to see an Evil Rose or Doctor than Adam to the Audience IMO
Interesting that Rose was in the show where the winner not only got to live but got the money as well, the winner of Big Brother just got to live......Rodrick yet another person turned bad by the love of money...OK he wanted to survive as well, before anyone else points that out.
Originally Posted by steveyboybmth:
“We have had Bad Wolf references from episode two onwards, I honestly feel Adam can't be the Bad Wolf. I think its possible that either another evil Rose or the Doctor is the bad wolf, brought on from Rose's DNA, I think it would be far more shocking to see an Evil Rose or Doctor than Adam to the Audience IMO”
“We have had Bad Wolf references from episode two onwards, I honestly feel Adam can't be the Bad Wolf. I think its possible that either another evil Rose or the Doctor is the bad wolf, brought on from Rose's DNA, I think it would be far more shocking to see an Evil Rose or Doctor than Adam to the Audience IMO”
Well...in the time vortex/meme/flashback we had:
Gwyneth seeing into Rose's mind
The Tardis graffiti'd by a child
Van Statten's Helicopter
now...those were all Rose's recollections...or at least they were included at the point that Rose remembered Bad Wolf references thanks to Roderick (welease Bwian!)
Now...no Nestene snarling "Bad Wolf" at the Tardis on the website, or the flashbacks which narrows it...no Moxx of Balhounn talking to the Face of Boe...no smiley poster...just those three: Gwyneth, Tardis, Van Statten....
Come on now people...we have five days...it's all there...all we have to do is apply a little logic -
Once you discount the impossible, whatever remains no matter how implausible must be the truth
- and we'll probably get there....
OK - something else to throw into the mix - could Planet Earth be the Bad Wolf?
Gwyneth read Rose's mind AFTER she saw The Earth from above in The End Of The World
Bad Wolf TV broadcasts to The Earth, for The Earth - like the BBC is for Britain etc.
Just a thought...
Gwyneth read Rose's mind AFTER she saw The Earth from above in The End Of The World
Bad Wolf TV broadcasts to The Earth, for The Earth - like the BBC is for Britain etc.
Just a thought...
When the series had just began, I found a website on google giving spoilers right to the end of Episode 13, I can't find it now, it was "The Australian Doctor Who site" or something, it was aussie anyway.
It was pretty accurate, I stupidly read the last line of summary for 13, whether its true or not, but here it goes, doesn't explain bad wolf though
It was pretty accurate, I stupidly read the last line of summary for 13, whether its true or not, but here it goes, doesn't explain bad wolf though
Spoiler
Right, following John's prompting...
The Gelth in 'The Unquiet Dead' were refugees from the Time War, weren't they? And they said they needed physical bodies to stay in until they managed to cross to the other side.
The Dalek in the Geocomtex base had fallen through time from the Time War too. That episode also dealt with issues of inhabiting a physical form that wasn't yourt own - remember the Dalek opening itself up and wanting to see sunlight? We were reminded that the scary metal box is just a holding vessel for a living being.
Now I think the episode with 'Bad Wolf' written on the Tardis was the AOL one, wasn't it? In which case, we again see the problem of a living being that is out of its natural environment, appropriating a physical form from another species in order to preserve its existence.
Now quite where this is leading, I don't know. But there is a link between those three episodes if you look deeply enough. Could a being be inhabiting one of the bodies in the final episode, a being which shouldn't, well, be there?
The Gelth in 'The Unquiet Dead' were refugees from the Time War, weren't they? And they said they needed physical bodies to stay in until they managed to cross to the other side.
The Dalek in the Geocomtex base had fallen through time from the Time War too. That episode also dealt with issues of inhabiting a physical form that wasn't yourt own - remember the Dalek opening itself up and wanting to see sunlight? We were reminded that the scary metal box is just a holding vessel for a living being.
Now I think the episode with 'Bad Wolf' written on the Tardis was the AOL one, wasn't it? In which case, we again see the problem of a living being that is out of its natural environment, appropriating a physical form from another species in order to preserve its existence.
Now quite where this is leading, I don't know. But there is a link between those three episodes if you look deeply enough. Could a being be inhabiting one of the bodies in the final episode, a being which shouldn't, well, be there?
Originally Posted by beee:
“Now quite where this is leading, I don't know. But there is a link between those three episodes if you look deeply enough. Could a being be inhabiting one of the bodies in the final episode, a being which shouldn't, well, be there?”
“Now quite where this is leading, I don't know. But there is a link between those three episodes if you look deeply enough. Could a being be inhabiting one of the bodies in the final episode, a being which shouldn't, well, be there?”
Wolf in sheeps clothing...
Wolf dressed as grandma...
Originally Posted by dundee_mark:
“OK - something else to throw into the mix - could Planet Earth be the Bad Wolf?
Gwyneth read Rose's mind AFTER she saw The Earth from above in The End Of The World
Bad Wolf TV broadcasts to The Earth, for The Earth - like the BBC is for Britain etc.
Just a thought...”
“OK - something else to throw into the mix - could Planet Earth be the Bad Wolf?
Gwyneth read Rose's mind AFTER she saw The Earth from above in The End Of The World
Bad Wolf TV broadcasts to The Earth, for The Earth - like the BBC is for Britain etc.
Just a thought...
”
Hmmm, possibly...but taking the things we've learnt from the series...we started half way through in "Rose" and were never told why the Doctor was doing what he was doing in the department store...now, no, no, bear with me a second...if...if...something had been set in motion that was unstoppable in the laws of time in the same way as the death of Rose's father, then the Doctor would possibly have to live out the time line...live it out to the extent of being responsible for everything up to and including recreating the dalek race...what we have been witnessing is the Doctor's timeline catching up with itself...until such times as he can do something about it...hence the hologram recording in the Tardis..."I'm going to die"...he has to play out the events because he is a part of the events but ultimately he can destroy himself and save the Earth from conquest...we've been playing catch-up all through the series because what's happening in Bad Wolf and The Parting of the Ways was the point we were always going to get to, we just didn't know it when we joined in "Rose"...we've taken "Rose" as the beginning of our journey...it doesn't have to be the beginning of the Doctor's journey...that could have been The Long Game...hence the title...it's a long game between there and now...The Doctor could be the Bad Wolf, not because he's evil, but because his actions have instigated a chain of events resulting in the resurrection of the Daleks and the possible destruction of Earth...
Originally Posted by beee:
“Right, following John's prompting...
The Gelth in 'The Unquiet Dead' were refugees from the Time War, weren't they? And they said they needed physical bodies to stay in until they managed to cross to the other side.
The Dalek in the Geocomtex base had fallen through time from the Time War too. That episode also dealt with issues of inhabiting a physical form that wasn't yourt own - remember the Dalek opening itself up and wanting to see sunlight? We were reminded that the scary metal box is just a holding vessel for a living being.
Now I think the episode with 'Bad Wolf' written on the Tardis was the AOL one, wasn't it? In which case, we again see the problem of a living being that is out of its natural environment, appropriating a physical form from another species in order to preserve its existence.
Now quite where this is leading, I don't know. But there is a link between those three episodes if you look deeply enough. Could a being be inhabiting one of the bodies in the final episode, a being which shouldn't, well, be there?”
“Right, following John's prompting...
The Gelth in 'The Unquiet Dead' were refugees from the Time War, weren't they? And they said they needed physical bodies to stay in until they managed to cross to the other side.
The Dalek in the Geocomtex base had fallen through time from the Time War too. That episode also dealt with issues of inhabiting a physical form that wasn't yourt own - remember the Dalek opening itself up and wanting to see sunlight? We were reminded that the scary metal box is just a holding vessel for a living being.
Now I think the episode with 'Bad Wolf' written on the Tardis was the AOL one, wasn't it? In which case, we again see the problem of a living being that is out of its natural environment, appropriating a physical form from another species in order to preserve its existence.
Now quite where this is leading, I don't know. But there is a link between those three episodes if you look deeply enough. Could a being be inhabiting one of the bodies in the final episode, a being which shouldn't, well, be there?”
Could something be inside the TARDIS?
Originally Posted by steveyboybmth:
“Wolf in sheeps clothing”
“Wolf in sheeps clothing”
There you go, I knew someone would be able to sum things up a bit more succinctly than I did
All the beings in those episodes mislead us - the Gelth lied about their intentions for crossing over, the Slitheen were just liars full stop, and the Dalek teleported instead of destroying itself.I still don't know where it's leading, though...
Originally Posted by beee:
“Right, following John's prompting...
The Gelth in 'The Unquiet Dead' were refugees from the Time War, weren't they? And they said they needed physical bodies to stay in until they managed to cross to the other side.
The Dalek in the Geocomtex base had fallen through time from the Time War too. That episode also dealt with issues of inhabiting a physical form that wasn't yourt own - remember the Dalek opening itself up and wanting to see sunlight? We were reminded that the scary metal box is just a holding vessel for a living being.
Now I think the episode with 'Bad Wolf' written on the Tardis was the AOL one, wasn't it? In which case, we again see the problem of a living being that is out of its natural environment, appropriating a physical form from another species in order to preserve its existence.
Now quite where this is leading, I don't know. But there is a link between those three episodes if you look deeply enough. Could a being be inhabiting one of the bodies in the final episode, a being which shouldn't, well, be there?”
“Right, following John's prompting...
The Gelth in 'The Unquiet Dead' were refugees from the Time War, weren't they? And they said they needed physical bodies to stay in until they managed to cross to the other side.
The Dalek in the Geocomtex base had fallen through time from the Time War too. That episode also dealt with issues of inhabiting a physical form that wasn't yourt own - remember the Dalek opening itself up and wanting to see sunlight? We were reminded that the scary metal box is just a holding vessel for a living being.
Now I think the episode with 'Bad Wolf' written on the Tardis was the AOL one, wasn't it? In which case, we again see the problem of a living being that is out of its natural environment, appropriating a physical form from another species in order to preserve its existence.
Now quite where this is leading, I don't know. But there is a link between those three episodes if you look deeply enough. Could a being be inhabiting one of the bodies in the final episode, a being which shouldn't, well, be there?”
Sterling stuff beee...and continuing that and totally freaking everyone out (and also spoiling my own timeline theory) what if the voice was actually David Tennant's 10th Doctor...and CE sacrifices himself to prevent that regeneration happening and ending up as leader of the Dalek fleet? Just a thought
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“Sterling stuff beee...and continuing that and totally freaking everyone out (and also spoiling my own timeline theory) what if the voice was actually David Tennant's 10th Doctor...and CE sacrifices himself to prevent that regeneration happening and ending up as leader of the Dalek fleet? Just a thought”
“Sterling stuff beee...and continuing that and totally freaking everyone out (and also spoiling my own timeline theory) what if the voice was actually David Tennant's 10th Doctor...and CE sacrifices himself to prevent that regeneration happening and ending up as leader of the Dalek fleet? Just a thought
”
Sorry - you've lost me there!
BTW - did you notice that Julian Clary stole your "EX-FOL-IATE" joke on Saturday night?
EDIT: just to add that I searched "dr who" in the BBC search box. Do it, and see what comes up!
Originally Posted by beee:
“There you go, I knew someone would be able to sum things up a bit more succinctly than I did All the beings in those episodes mislead us - the Gelth lied about their intentions for crossing over, the Slitheen were just liars full stop, and the Dalek teleported instead of destroying itself.
I still don't know where it's leading, though...”
“There you go, I knew someone would be able to sum things up a bit more succinctly than I did
All the beings in those episodes mislead us - the Gelth lied about their intentions for crossing over, the Slitheen were just liars full stop, and the Dalek teleported instead of destroying itself.I still don't know where it's leading, though...”
Episode 1 - Mickey was possessed / plastic thing
Episode 2 - The Repeat Meme were actually robots underneath.
Episode 3 - The Gelth possessed the Dead people, they were wearing a disguse
Episode 4+5 - Slitheen disgused as Politicians
Episode 6 - Dalek - well the case is like a disguse / protection
Episode 7 - OK im stuck on this one
Episode 8 +9 Humans possessed/hidden under a gas mask
Episode 10 - Rose pretends to be someone else (tenuous I know)
Episode 11 - Slitheen again
Its all to do with being possessed or hidden under a disguse.
Well I had a go!
Originally Posted by dundee_mark:
“Sorry - you've lost me there!
BTW - did you notice that Julian Clary stole your "EX-FOL-IATE" joke on Saturday night?
EDIT: just to add that I searched "dr who" in the BBC search box. Do it, and see what comes up!”
“Sorry - you've lost me there!
BTW - did you notice that Julian Clary stole your "EX-FOL-IATE" joke on Saturday night?
EDIT: just to add that I searched "dr who" in the BBC search box. Do it, and see what comes up!
”
Oddly enough I just had a chat with my imaginary German friend about the copyrighting of net forum threads...but I'll allow Julian that one on tick...
Originally Posted by steveyboybmth:
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Episode 1 - Mickey was possessed / plastic thing
Episode 2 - The Repeat Meme were actually robots underneath.
Episode 3 - The Gelth possessed the Dead people, they were wearing a disguse
Episode 4+5 - Slitheen disgused as Politicians
Episode 6 - Dalek - well the case is like a disguse / protection
Episode 7 - OK im stuck on this one
Episode 8 +9 Humans possessed/hidden under a gas mask
Episode 10 - Rose pretends to be someone else (tenuous I know)
Episode 11 - Slitheen again
Its all to do with being possessed or hidden under a disguse.
Well I had a go!”
“th
Episode 1 - Mickey was possessed / plastic thing
Episode 2 - The Repeat Meme were actually robots underneath.
Episode 3 - The Gelth possessed the Dead people, they were wearing a disguse
Episode 4+5 - Slitheen disgused as Politicians
Episode 6 - Dalek - well the case is like a disguse / protection
Episode 7 - OK im stuck on this one
Episode 8 +9 Humans possessed/hidden under a gas mask
Episode 10 - Rose pretends to be someone else (tenuous I know)
Episode 11 - Slitheen again
Its all to do with being possessed or hidden under a disguse.
Well I had a go!
”
It's a definite theme in the series as a whole. But I'm still trying to puzzle out how it all might relate to the last episode. Adam lied about his intentions - he snuck off behind the Doctor's back and had that bit of kit implanted in his skull. Cap'n Jack lied about why he wanted to do business with the Doctor, but he seems to have been pretty genuine from then on. Rose could well be the imposter - after all, it's her DNA which enables the Daleks to 'live on'. But I think that might be a twist too far...
And speaking of twists, I'm just sending myself round in circles with all this speculation!
Originally Posted by beee:
“It's a definite theme in the series as a whole. But I'm still trying to puzzle out how it all might relate to the last episode. Adam lied about his intentions - he snuck off behind the Doctor's back and had that bit of kit implante in his skull. Cap'n Jack lied about why he wanted to do business with the Doctor, but he seems to have been pretty genuine from then on. Rose could well be the imposter - after all, it's her DNA which enables the Daleks to 'live on'. But I think that might be a twist too far...
And speaking of twists, I'm just sending myself round in circles with all this speculation!”
“It's a definite theme in the series as a whole. But I'm still trying to puzzle out how it all might relate to the last episode. Adam lied about his intentions - he snuck off behind the Doctor's back and had that bit of kit implante in his skull. Cap'n Jack lied about why he wanted to do business with the Doctor, but he seems to have been pretty genuine from then on. Rose could well be the imposter - after all, it's her DNA which enables the Daleks to 'live on'. But I think that might be a twist too far...
And speaking of twists, I'm just sending myself round in circles with all this speculation!”
I suppose you could say - what was to stop Dalek DNA from passing into Rose?
Originally Posted by steveyboybmth:
“Episode 1 - Mickey was possessed / plastic thing
Episode 2 - The Repeat Meme were actually robots underneath.
Episode 3 - The Gelth possessed the Dead people, they were wearing a disguse
Episode 4+5 - Slitheen disgused as Politicians
Episode 6 - Dalek - well the case is like a disguse / protection
Episode 7 - OK im stuck on this one
Episode 8 +9 Humans possessed/hidden under a gas mask
Episode 10 - Rose pretends to be someone else (tenuous I know)
Episode 11 - Slitheen again
Its all to do with being possessed or hidden under a disguse.
Well I had a go!”
“Episode 1 - Mickey was possessed / plastic thing
Episode 2 - The Repeat Meme were actually robots underneath.
Episode 3 - The Gelth possessed the Dead people, they were wearing a disguse
Episode 4+5 - Slitheen disgused as Politicians
Episode 6 - Dalek - well the case is like a disguse / protection
Episode 7 - OK im stuck on this one
Episode 8 +9 Humans possessed/hidden under a gas mask
Episode 10 - Rose pretends to be someone else (tenuous I know)
Episode 11 - Slitheen again
Its all to do with being possessed or hidden under a disguse.
Well I had a go!
”
Episode 7 - Rose's Father wasn't the man she thought he was...
Episode 10 - Nancy turns out not to be the sister but the mother
they are all wolves in sheeps clothing in some way...not necessarily evil, but just not what they purport to be on the outside...
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“Episode 7 - Rose's Father wasn't the man she thought he was...
Episode 10 - Nancy turns out not to be the sister but the mother
they are all wolves in sheeps clothing in some way...not necessarily evil, but just not what they purport to be on the outside...”
“Episode 7 - Rose's Father wasn't the man she thought he was...
Episode 10 - Nancy turns out not to be the sister but the mother
they are all wolves in sheeps clothing in some way...not necessarily evil, but just not what they purport to be on the outside...”
Your right!! I got Episode 7 and 10 the wrong way round Doh!
Actually Episode 7 is The Long Game - the numbering's one out. 8 is Father's Day, 9 Empty Child, 10 Doctor Dances, but all the theories are great.
In 7 - well, the Jagrafest, and what happens to the people "promoted" upstairs who never come back.
In 7 - well, the Jagrafest, and what happens to the people "promoted" upstairs who never come back.
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“Episode 7 - Rose's Father wasn't the man she thought he was...
Episode 10 - Nancy turns out not to be the sister but the mother
they are all wolves in sheeps clothing in some way...not necessarily evil, but just not what they purport to be on the outside...”
“Episode 7 - Rose's Father wasn't the man she thought he was...
Episode 10 - Nancy turns out not to be the sister but the mother
they are all wolves in sheeps clothing in some way...not necessarily evil, but just not what they purport to be on the outside...”
You're getting a bit mixed up the pair of you!
Episode 7 was The Long Game, 8 was Father's Day, 9 & 10 were The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances
In The Long Game, you could say that The Editor looked like he was "the big man", but really he was the puppet of the jaffa-cake thingy (sorry - it's late, I can't remember its name
)
Originally Posted by neardark:
“Actually Episode 7 is The Long Game - the numbering's one out. 8 is Father's Day, 9 Empty Child, 10 Doctor Dances, but all the theories are great.
In 7 - well, the Jagrafest, and what happens to the people "promoted" upstairs who never come back.”
“Actually Episode 7 is The Long Game - the numbering's one out. 8 is Father's Day, 9 Empty Child, 10 Doctor Dances, but all the theories are great.
In 7 - well, the Jagrafest, and what happens to the people "promoted" upstairs who never come back.”
In that one, the Jaffafeast essentially inhabits the bodies of whoever gets promoted so it can keep the news channels going. So it still fits with the theme on the whole.
Anyway, I'm off to bed. Any more of this wild speculation and I'll have someone's eye out...
ok a revised sum up
Episode 1 - Mickey was possessed / plastic thing
Episode 2 - The Repeat Meme were actually robots underneath.
Episode 3 - The Gelth possessed the Dead people, they were wearing a disguse
Episode 4+5 - Slitheen disgused as Politicians
Episode 6 - Dalek - well the case is like a disguse / protection
Episode 7 - well, the Jagrafest, and what happens to the people "promoted" upstairs who never come back.
Episode 8 - Rose pretends to be someone else (tenuous I know)
Rose's Father wasn't the man she thought he was
Episode 9 +10 Humans possessed/hidden under a gas mask
Nancy turns out not to be the sister but the mother
Episode 11 - Slitheen again
Its all to do with being possessed or hidden under a disguse.
It all fits! - but what does it mean! or am I totally in the wrong orbit!! - probably!!
Episode 1 - Mickey was possessed / plastic thing
Episode 2 - The Repeat Meme were actually robots underneath.
Episode 3 - The Gelth possessed the Dead people, they were wearing a disguse
Episode 4+5 - Slitheen disgused as Politicians
Episode 6 - Dalek - well the case is like a disguse / protection
Episode 7 - well, the Jagrafest, and what happens to the people "promoted" upstairs who never come back.
Episode 8 - Rose pretends to be someone else (tenuous I know)
Rose's Father wasn't the man she thought he was
Episode 9 +10 Humans possessed/hidden under a gas mask
Nancy turns out not to be the sister but the mother
Episode 11 - Slitheen again
Its all to do with being possessed or hidden under a disguse.
It all fits! - but what does it mean! or am I totally in the wrong orbit!! - probably!!
Okay, the pleasure of having imaginary German friends and their stuffed dogs (he's a real dog really honestly) is thus:
What if...no, bear with me, what if...bearing in mind "Rose" started half way through and we were never quite sure why...
what if...the Doctor finds out that he is the "Bad Wolf" and leaves the hologram message for Rose in order that she and Captain Jack take the Tardis back to before "Rose" started in order to stop/kill the Doctor to prevent everything in the series happening the way it has and causing regeneration into David Tennant...thus bringing the entire 13 episodes into a marvellous cyclical loop (on the offchance it had failed and there would be no more) and totally blowing our minds by the revelation that it is The Doctor that allowed the Daleks to survive...this would bring Mickey and Jackie into TPOTW at a point before "Rose" started...blimey...I just love temporal displacement...
What if...no, bear with me, what if...bearing in mind "Rose" started half way through and we were never quite sure why...
what if...the Doctor finds out that he is the "Bad Wolf" and leaves the hologram message for Rose in order that she and Captain Jack take the Tardis back to before "Rose" started in order to stop/kill the Doctor to prevent everything in the series happening the way it has and causing regeneration into David Tennant...thus bringing the entire 13 episodes into a marvellous cyclical loop (on the offchance it had failed and there would be no more) and totally blowing our minds by the revelation that it is The Doctor that allowed the Daleks to survive...this would bring Mickey and Jackie into TPOTW at a point before "Rose" started...blimey...I just love temporal displacement...
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“Okay, the pleasure of having imaginary German friends and their stuffed dogs (he's a real dog really honestly) is thus:
What if...no, bear with me, what if...bearing in mind "Rose" started half way through and we were never quite sure why...
what if...the Doctor finds out that he is the "Bad Wolf" and leaves the hologram message for Rose in order that she and Captain Jack take the Tardis back to before "Rose" started in order to stop/kill the Doctor to prevent everything in the series happening the way it has and causing regeneration into David Tennant...thus bringing the entire 13 episodes into a marvellous cyclical loop (on the offchance it had failed and there would be no more) and totally blowing our minds by the revelation that it is The Doctor that allowed the Daleks to survive...this would bring Mickey and Jackie into TPOTW at a point before "Rose" started...blimey...I just love temporal displacement...”
“Okay, the pleasure of having imaginary German friends and their stuffed dogs (he's a real dog really honestly) is thus:
What if...no, bear with me, what if...bearing in mind "Rose" started half way through and we were never quite sure why...
what if...the Doctor finds out that he is the "Bad Wolf" and leaves the hologram message for Rose in order that she and Captain Jack take the Tardis back to before "Rose" started in order to stop/kill the Doctor to prevent everything in the series happening the way it has and causing regeneration into David Tennant...thus bringing the entire 13 episodes into a marvellous cyclical loop (on the offchance it had failed and there would be no more) and totally blowing our minds by the revelation that it is The Doctor that allowed the Daleks to survive...this would bring Mickey and Jackie into TPOTW at a point before "Rose" started...blimey...I just love temporal displacement...”
Wouldn't that be another scenario that would cause a paradox?
If CE's doctor was killed before "Rose", then none of what happened, would have happened, therefore there would have been no need for Rose and CJ to go back and kill him, so it does happen, so......and so on.
And another thing that seems to be getting forgotten about - there was no regeneration at the start of this series, even though the Doctor looked in a mirror in Rose's flat and said "Could've been worse. Pity about the ears".
Could that have some significance?
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