im hoping the ep shown to the press is different to the one shown saturday, in this day an age thats what id do
Doctor Who - 18th June (Pre-Air Discussion)
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Right, I'm going to stick this in here, as I don't want to start a new thread just for my pointless ramblings, but I thought some of the people posting here could help...
I've got a vague childhood memory of being very, very young in the mid-80s, and terrified by an episode of Doctor Who where a Doctor with crazy, fair hair gets tortured in some way by a bunch of meanie Daleks. Now, in my frazzled mind, this Doctor always manages to turn into Rod Hull, probably because I used to hide behind the sofa when Emu came on TV too (as did my mum - talk about 'They f*ck you up, your mum and dad'...).
I've since reasoned that this must be Colin Baker as the Doctor, but I don't know when he played him on TV. Can anyone help me out? Or am I making it all up?
I've got a vague childhood memory of being very, very young in the mid-80s, and terrified by an episode of Doctor Who where a Doctor with crazy, fair hair gets tortured in some way by a bunch of meanie Daleks. Now, in my frazzled mind, this Doctor always manages to turn into Rod Hull, probably because I used to hide behind the sofa when Emu came on TV too (as did my mum - talk about 'They f*ck you up, your mum and dad'...).
I've since reasoned that this must be Colin Baker as the Doctor, but I don't know when he played him on TV. Can anyone help me out? Or am I making it all up?
Colin Baker: 22 Mar 1984 - 6 Dec 1986.
The three-year period which marked Colin Baker's tenure as the Sixth Doctor were perhaps the most arduous and trouble-filled in the series' 26-year history. This is, of course, in no way representative of the man in the title role; Colin Baker has for many years been a well-regarded, highly renowned stage and television actor with a long list of credits behind him. Indeed, were it not for the confluence of events that marked the era, it's even possible that Baker would still be in the role today... having come aboard declaring himself the man who wished to be the Doctor longer than even Tom Baker's seven-year stretch. It is unfortunate that he was the only person fired from the role; BBC authorities mistakenly identified him as the person behind the series' ratings troubles, when in fact it is the extraordinary talents of this gifted actor that lifted the series above the sometimes-mediocre scripting and uneven production values.
The three-year period which marked Colin Baker's tenure as the Sixth Doctor were perhaps the most arduous and trouble-filled in the series' 26-year history. This is, of course, in no way representative of the man in the title role; Colin Baker has for many years been a well-regarded, highly renowned stage and television actor with a long list of credits behind him. Indeed, were it not for the confluence of events that marked the era, it's even possible that Baker would still be in the role today... having come aboard declaring himself the man who wished to be the Doctor longer than even Tom Baker's seven-year stretch. It is unfortunate that he was the only person fired from the role; BBC authorities mistakenly identified him as the person behind the series' ratings troubles, when in fact it is the extraordinary talents of this gifted actor that lifted the series above the sometimes-mediocre scripting and uneven production values.
Originally Posted by Digidragon:
“Colin Baker: 22 Mar 1984 - 6 Dec 1986.
The three-year period which marked Colin Baker's tenure as the Sixth Doctor were perhaps the most arduous and trouble-filled in the series' 26-year history. This is, of course, in no way representative of the man in the title role; Colin Baker has for many years been a well-regarded, highly renowned stage and television actor with a long list of credits behind him. Indeed, were it not for the confluence of events that marked the era, it's even possible that Baker would still be in the role today... having come aboard declaring himself the man who wished to be the Doctor longer than even Tom Baker's seven-year stretch. It is unfortunate that he was the only person fired from the role; BBC authorities mistakenly identified him as the person behind the series' ratings troubles, when in fact it is the extraordinary talents of this gifted actor that lifted the series above the sometimes-mediocre scripting and uneven production values.”
“Colin Baker: 22 Mar 1984 - 6 Dec 1986.
The three-year period which marked Colin Baker's tenure as the Sixth Doctor were perhaps the most arduous and trouble-filled in the series' 26-year history. This is, of course, in no way representative of the man in the title role; Colin Baker has for many years been a well-regarded, highly renowned stage and television actor with a long list of credits behind him. Indeed, were it not for the confluence of events that marked the era, it's even possible that Baker would still be in the role today... having come aboard declaring himself the man who wished to be the Doctor longer than even Tom Baker's seven-year stretch. It is unfortunate that he was the only person fired from the role; BBC authorities mistakenly identified him as the person behind the series' ratings troubles, when in fact it is the extraordinary talents of this gifted actor that lifted the series above the sometimes-mediocre scripting and uneven production values.”
Thanks, Digidragon. The time-frame is definitely right, although I still don't trust my memory after the Rod Hull thing
Originally Posted by Digidragon:
“Colin Baker: 22 Mar 1984 - 6 Dec 1986.
The three-year period which marked Colin Baker's tenure as the Sixth Doctor were perhaps the most arduous and trouble-filled in the series' 26-year history. This is, of course, in no way representative of the man in the title role; Colin Baker has for many years been a well-regarded, highly renowned stage and television actor with a long list of credits behind him. Indeed, were it not for the confluence of events that marked the era, it's even possible that Baker would still be in the role today... having come aboard declaring himself the man who wished to be the Doctor longer than even Tom Baker's seven-year stretch. It is unfortunate that he was the only person fired from the role; BBC authorities mistakenly identified him as the person behind the series' ratings troubles, when in fact it is the extraordinary talents of this gifted actor that lifted the series above the sometimes-mediocre scripting and uneven production values.”
“Colin Baker: 22 Mar 1984 - 6 Dec 1986.
The three-year period which marked Colin Baker's tenure as the Sixth Doctor were perhaps the most arduous and trouble-filled in the series' 26-year history. This is, of course, in no way representative of the man in the title role; Colin Baker has for many years been a well-regarded, highly renowned stage and television actor with a long list of credits behind him. Indeed, were it not for the confluence of events that marked the era, it's even possible that Baker would still be in the role today... having come aboard declaring himself the man who wished to be the Doctor longer than even Tom Baker's seven-year stretch. It is unfortunate that he was the only person fired from the role; BBC authorities mistakenly identified him as the person behind the series' ratings troubles, when in fact it is the extraordinary talents of this gifted actor that lifted the series above the sometimes-mediocre scripting and uneven production values.”
Which is why, as my least favourite Doctor, I'd never name him as such. Totally unfair to the actor.
Originally Posted by craggers:
“im hoping the ep shown to the press is different to the one shown saturday, in this day an age thats what id do”
“im hoping the ep shown to the press is different to the one shown saturday, in this day an age thats what id do”
Same here.
It would be FANTASTIC
to see the reaction of the smug gits that have read the spoilers (no offence, you understand 
)
Originally Posted by dundee_mark:
“Same here.
It would be FANTASTIC to see the reaction of the smug gits that have read the spoilers (no offence, you understand )”
“Same here.
It would be FANTASTIC
to see the reaction of the smug gits that have read the spoilers (no offence, you understand )”
I'm not a smug git I just love spoilers and always have.
I won't mind one way or the other tomorrow - if it's the story I have read it is going to be great, if not then I'm sure it will be equally brilliant.
Either way, we all win.
Originally Posted by *Eileen*:
“I'm not a smug git I just love spoilers and always have.
I won't mind one way or the other tomorrow - if it's the story I have read it is going to be great, if not then I'm sure it will be equally brilliant.
Either way, we all win.”
“I'm not a smug git I just love spoilers and always have.
I won't mind one way or the other tomorrow - if it's the story I have read it is going to be great, if not then I'm sure it will be equally brilliant.
Either way, we all win.”
Agreed Eileen - now shut up all hotties who (may/may not have pretended) to have read the spoilers.
Originally Posted by *Eileen*:
“I'm not a smug git I just love spoilers and always have.
I won't mind one way or the other tomorrow - if it's the story I have read it is going to be great, if not then I'm sure it will be equally brilliant.
Either way, we all win.”
“I'm not a smug git I just love spoilers and always have.
I won't mind one way or the other tomorrow - if it's the story I have read it is going to be great, if not then I'm sure it will be equally brilliant.
Either way, we all win.”
= "tongue in cheek"
The BBC homepage - http://www.bbc.co.uk/
OK, here's my theory.
It's Mickey.
i) The Bad Wolf site is supposed to be fairly contemporary. The only person from the show that could have written it (bearing in mind they know Rose, thanks to the little blanked text for that clue) is Mickey. Remember that Dalek takes place in the future, so Adam would only be a nipper right now.
ii) "From Disney to destiny"? Wierd choice of phrase until you realise Who the most famous Disney character is.
iii) The Doctor is right that this whole show is for his benefit when the Daleks (and their controller) decide not to kill/transmat him.
iv) What was the main story in Boom Town? What was it for? The main plot was interesting, but what we really get to see is Mickey's final betrayal. It's also Mickey's first introduction to the phrase Bad Wolf (not that the meta content on the site is "Bad Wolf and Blaidd Drwg...").
v) In Unquiet Dead, Rose has seen the Bad Wolf. There are very few characters that this could be at that point. People have put forward the Doctor, the TARDIS and Jack (OK, that was mainly me), but she has had a lot more contact with Mickey.
vi) The only occurences of Bad Wolf references that predate the Doctor's revelation in Cardiff (in front of Mickey, note) that Bad Wolf seems to follow them around are the graffiti on the TARDIS in Third World War and on a poster in Father's Day. Mickey is just about tall enough to have written the latter of these and he lived in the area at the time, so perhaps that can be retconned. The Dalek grafitti is harder to fit into all this, I admit.
v) The Bad Wolf site links to the GeoComtex site, which appears to be recruiting. Mickey will presumably have heard about the Dalek from Rose, and the technology from Satellite 5. My theory is that Mickey, pissed off with everything, hating the Doctor and wanting to impress Rose decides to start playing a VERY long game by ensuring that he gets hired by GeoComtex and promoted to a position where he can ensure Adam is hired to play his part, and end up bringing future tech back to the near future. In the ten or so years between now and then, he can wait, knowing that the Doctor and Rose beat the Dalek, and that after this he will have a shedload of documentation on what the Dalek is and how it's built from the Van Staten bunker (Van Staten is not the head of the corporation, and is replaceable, remember?). When Adam gets back, Mickey knows he can hire him again and use all his future tech to build a Dalek unit. Mickey eventually becomes a Davros-like inhabitant of the first of a new line of human-based Daleks, but he's pretty powerless and there's no clear way to get back at the Doctor, so he waits. And Waits. He installs the Jagrafex and uses Adam's technology to construct Satellite 5 (bit of a time loop, there, but not without precedent) upon which the Earth becomes so reliant that when the Doctor does his heroics he precipitates a disaster so that it becomes reliant upon his Bad Wolf corporation.
vi) Why does he need Bad Wolf and satellite 5 and all the cloaking? Surely, as a Dalek, he could drop down and kick ass whenever he wants. That's not the point, though. He needs a big Dalek army, but the Daleks are dead. It's all about the Doctor and Rose. The people who get transmatted out of satellite 5 are sent to Dalek ships. Look carefully at the area Rose wakes up in and you can see people-sized pods. The new Dalek race is made of re-engineered humans. Why don't the Daleks kill Rose and get on with it? Because this is all about Mickey and his jealousy. That's why the Doctor is so confident he'll win. He knows real Daleks would kill Rose in seconds, and he knows they fear him for some reason. Real Daleks don't know fear. RTD has demonstrated with Second Coming that he really likes the Judas character, and I'll bet he wants to do it again.
vii) Listen to the preview. Sound more like Mickey right at the end than any of the other candidates, to me.
viii) Noel Clarke (Mickey) is in the next episode according to the Radio Times, neither Adam nor any of the other Earth regulars are.
Am I right, well find out in a few hours
It's Mickey.
i) The Bad Wolf site is supposed to be fairly contemporary. The only person from the show that could have written it (bearing in mind they know Rose, thanks to the little blanked text for that clue) is Mickey. Remember that Dalek takes place in the future, so Adam would only be a nipper right now.
ii) "From Disney to destiny"? Wierd choice of phrase until you realise Who the most famous Disney character is.
iii) The Doctor is right that this whole show is for his benefit when the Daleks (and their controller) decide not to kill/transmat him.
iv) What was the main story in Boom Town? What was it for? The main plot was interesting, but what we really get to see is Mickey's final betrayal. It's also Mickey's first introduction to the phrase Bad Wolf (not that the meta content on the site is "Bad Wolf and Blaidd Drwg...").
v) In Unquiet Dead, Rose has seen the Bad Wolf. There are very few characters that this could be at that point. People have put forward the Doctor, the TARDIS and Jack (OK, that was mainly me), but she has had a lot more contact with Mickey.
vi) The only occurences of Bad Wolf references that predate the Doctor's revelation in Cardiff (in front of Mickey, note) that Bad Wolf seems to follow them around are the graffiti on the TARDIS in Third World War and on a poster in Father's Day. Mickey is just about tall enough to have written the latter of these and he lived in the area at the time, so perhaps that can be retconned. The Dalek grafitti is harder to fit into all this, I admit.
v) The Bad Wolf site links to the GeoComtex site, which appears to be recruiting. Mickey will presumably have heard about the Dalek from Rose, and the technology from Satellite 5. My theory is that Mickey, pissed off with everything, hating the Doctor and wanting to impress Rose decides to start playing a VERY long game by ensuring that he gets hired by GeoComtex and promoted to a position where he can ensure Adam is hired to play his part, and end up bringing future tech back to the near future. In the ten or so years between now and then, he can wait, knowing that the Doctor and Rose beat the Dalek, and that after this he will have a shedload of documentation on what the Dalek is and how it's built from the Van Staten bunker (Van Staten is not the head of the corporation, and is replaceable, remember?). When Adam gets back, Mickey knows he can hire him again and use all his future tech to build a Dalek unit. Mickey eventually becomes a Davros-like inhabitant of the first of a new line of human-based Daleks, but he's pretty powerless and there's no clear way to get back at the Doctor, so he waits. And Waits. He installs the Jagrafex and uses Adam's technology to construct Satellite 5 (bit of a time loop, there, but not without precedent) upon which the Earth becomes so reliant that when the Doctor does his heroics he precipitates a disaster so that it becomes reliant upon his Bad Wolf corporation.
vi) Why does he need Bad Wolf and satellite 5 and all the cloaking? Surely, as a Dalek, he could drop down and kick ass whenever he wants. That's not the point, though. He needs a big Dalek army, but the Daleks are dead. It's all about the Doctor and Rose. The people who get transmatted out of satellite 5 are sent to Dalek ships. Look carefully at the area Rose wakes up in and you can see people-sized pods. The new Dalek race is made of re-engineered humans. Why don't the Daleks kill Rose and get on with it? Because this is all about Mickey and his jealousy. That's why the Doctor is so confident he'll win. He knows real Daleks would kill Rose in seconds, and he knows they fear him for some reason. Real Daleks don't know fear. RTD has demonstrated with Second Coming that he really likes the Judas character, and I'll bet he wants to do it again.
vii) Listen to the preview. Sound more like Mickey right at the end than any of the other candidates, to me.
viii) Noel Clarke (Mickey) is in the next episode according to the Radio Times, neither Adam nor any of the other Earth regulars are.
Am I right, well find out in a few hours
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Which is why, as my least favourite Doctor, I'd never name him as such. Totally unfair to the actor.”
“Which is why, as my least favourite Doctor, I'd never name him as such. Totally unfair to the actor.”
I really like Colin Baker. He's underated as the Doctor IMO.
Really can't wait for tonight!! I'm so sad my whole week has been pointing towards this.
I hope we're not let down but judging by last week's absolute cracker I sincerely doubt we will be.
This series has been (I'm sorry no other word can be used) FANTASTIC
Originally Posted by hamish_mcduff:
“This series has been (I'm sorry no other word can be used) FANTASTIC”
“This series has been (I'm sorry no other word can be used) FANTASTIC”
I was a little uncertain after the first episode (it was the burping wheelie bin that did it) but the series has far exceeded the hopes and expectations of everyone I know. I don't think I have ever looked forward to anything on television as much as tonight's season finale - I've avoided the spoilers and the tabloids and the other DS threads, and do not have a clue what is going to happen. I am so excited.
Less than 12 hours to go...
BBC Wales deserves every ounce of praise that is being heaped on them for bringing us this fantastic new Doctor Who. But BBC Merchandising needs a rocket up their collective arses. Every kid I know - including me! - wants models of the Doctor and Rose and Jack and the Tardis, Doctor Who posters for their bedroom walls, Doctor Who exercise books for school...
WHERE'S THE MERCHANDISING!!??
WHERE'S THE MERCHANDISING!!??
Originally Posted by gymboy:
“BBC Wales deserves every ounce of praise that is being heaped on them for bringing us this fantastic new Doctor Who. But BBC Merchandising needs a rocket up their collective arses. Every kid I know - including me! - wants models of the Doctor and Rose and Jack and the Tardis, Doctor Who posters for their bedroom walls, Doctor Who exercise books for school...
WHERE'S THE MERCHANDISING!!??”
“BBC Wales deserves every ounce of praise that is being heaped on them for bringing us this fantastic new Doctor Who. But BBC Merchandising needs a rocket up their collective arses. Every kid I know - including me! - wants models of the Doctor and Rose and Jack and the Tardis, Doctor Who posters for their bedroom walls, Doctor Who exercise books for school...
WHERE'S THE MERCHANDISING!!??”
It'll be here, just in time for Christmas no doubt.
Originally Posted by jimbo_bob:
“It'll be here, just in time for Christmas no doubt.”
“It'll be here, just in time for Christmas no doubt.
”
But by that time David Tennant will be the Doctor... okay, I admit, I just want a little model of Christopher Eccleston for my bedside table...
Just getting geared up for tonight. I have rewatched Eps 4-6 and 12. Is it my imagination are all the eps better second time of watching.
CJ
In the last Ep at then end, didnt Captain Jack say he thought all the daleks were dead. Hiw would he know unless he was part of the time war. Perhaps there is a clue for his missing two years and a stroy arc for series 2.
CJ
In the last Ep at then end, didnt Captain Jack say he thought all the daleks were dead. Hiw would he know unless he was part of the time war. Perhaps there is a clue for his missing two years and a stroy arc for series 2.
Originally Posted by gymboy:
“BBC Wales deserves every ounce of praise that is being heaped on them for bringing us this fantastic new Doctor Who.”
“BBC Wales deserves every ounce of praise that is being heaped on them for bringing us this fantastic new Doctor Who.”
Indeed they do!
As someone in another forum put it...
Good grief - how did Doctor Who go from being an ignored, underfunded, little watched embarassment for the BBC, to being the most heavily promoted, loved, prestige, highly watched flagship that it is now...?
Originally Posted by gymboy:
“BBC Wales deserves every ounce of praise that is being heaped on them for bringing us this fantastic new Doctor Who. But BBC Merchandising needs a rocket up their collective arses. Every kid I know - including me! - wants models of the Doctor and Rose and Jack and the Tardis, Doctor Who posters for their bedroom walls, Doctor Who exercise books for school...
WHERE'S THE MERCHANDISING!!??”
“BBC Wales deserves every ounce of praise that is being heaped on them for bringing us this fantastic new Doctor Who. But BBC Merchandising needs a rocket up their collective arses. Every kid I know - including me! - wants models of the Doctor and Rose and Jack and the Tardis, Doctor Who posters for their bedroom walls, Doctor Who exercise books for school...
WHERE'S THE MERCHANDISING!!??”
Talking of merchandising. What is there? I've read the three novels and got the mosters inside book. Is there an Annual? Or perhaps anything esle for the NEW series only
Cj
Originally Posted by dundee_mark:
“Same here.
It would be FANTASTIC to see the reaction of the smug gits that have read the spoilers (no offence, you understand )”
“Same here.
It would be FANTASTIC
to see the reaction of the smug gits that have read the spoilers (no offence, you understand )”
I really hope it is a different ep.
Originally Posted by gymboy:
“But by that time David Tennant will be the Doctor... okay, I admit, I just want a little model of Christopher Eccleston for my bedside table...”
“But by that time David Tennant will be the Doctor... okay, I admit, I just want a little model of Christopher Eccleston for my bedside table...
”
I wouldn't mind one of him either
Originally Posted by gymboy:
“I am so excited.
Less than 12 hours to go...”
“I am so excited.
Less than 12 hours to go...”
Me too - I've been waiting for this all week, and now, it's only feckin' Saturday, innit!?!
Woohoo!
Excuse my delerium, but put it down to uncontrollable excitement!
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