I am thinking about buying a new phone and cant decide whether to buy the nokia 6230 or pay an extra £60 and buy the SE K750i?

Any suggestions?

thanks

[jagger2k]

the SE k750i is ment to be brilliant!! has a video editing function too, the only thing is as it has the first firmware you may experance 1 or 2 small glitchs but they will be sorted out sooner or lator via firmware upgrade, and also do not get it on voda or orange as they customise the firmware to make the phone crap.

[Maven]

Personally I'd go for the 6230 - I'm a sucker for Nokia phones and after owning the SE T610 and T630 and witnessed the shockingly bad camera quality as well as the slow processor speed, I'll certainly not be going back to them.

The only niggles I had with the 6230 was the video camera wasn't all that good and to remove the MMC card you had to take the battery out first. As I used the mp3 player a lot, I found this a bit annoying.

I know the newer SE models have been improved but I just won't be able to trust them after my earlier experiences.

Stick with what you know and go for the 6230

[Weeksy]

I agree with the speed for the T630, but in the K700i they greatly improved it, so fast.

TIll the joystick breaks that is...

[mcfc2134]

There is no competition between the two phones, even if you mean the 6230i.

The K750i is far far superior. It has the best camera on the market (2mp), RDS Radio, cracking macro mode within the camera etc. And if your comparing it to the 6230 then there shouldn't be any consideration.

There's only one sensible choice - k750i.

[flagpole]

The k750i doesn't really compare with the 6230, surely the 6230i is a better bet.

[mcfc2134]

Even so, the k750i hammers the 6230i really.

[Jose Cardoso]

Having owned a K700i and 6230 both for the same amount of time (K700i was my personal phone which I still have at home somewhere while the 6230 was a work phone), the only suitable description I can come up with for the 6230 is "piece of sh*t".

I went through 3 replacements all for the same bluetooth fault that would cause the phone to crash or reboot randomly during a transfer. Other problems with SIM registration errors (SIM card replaced numerous times) & keypad issues finally resulted in the phone being replaced for a SPV 500 for work use. The K700i and the SPV 500 have to date never caused me that much grief.

In my opinion Nokia's quality assurance has been slowly going downhill for a long time now letting other manufacturers pick up the bat and the ball. I'll personally stick with Sony Ericsson whom I've had no problems with since the T68i.

[Kariii]

Definitely K750i, I've had this phone for about 3 weeks now and wouldn't swap it for anything out there at the moment for similar price/specs. I'm smitten... for the time being

[schnadi_uk]

I've got the k750i on order from o2 at the moment. It is due to be released (again!!) today but knowing o2 it'll be a few weeks after their suggested date!!

[Maven]

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

Having owned a K700i and 6230 both for the same amount of time (K700i was my personal phone which I still have at home somewhere while the 6230 was a work phone), the only suitable description I can come up with for the 6230 is "piece of sh*t".

I went through 3 replacements all for the same bluetooth fault that would cause the phone to crash or reboot randomly during a transfer. Other problems with SIM registration errors (SIM card replaced numerous times) & keypad issues finally resulted in the phone being replaced for a SPV 500 for work use. The K700i and the SPV 500 have to date never caused me that much grief.

In my opinion Nokia's quality assurance has been slowly going downhill for a long time now letting other manufacturers pick up the bat and the ball. I'll personally stick with Sony Ericsson whom I've had no problems with since the T68i.

That's a completely unfair assessment. You were unlucky enough to get phones with a particular fault. In my previous job we were given 6230s to assist us and nobody ever reported any such faults.

No they are NOT a "piece of sh*t". They would not be issued as company phones if they were. They would not have sold by the bucketload if they were.

They have their niggles, that's why Nokia brought out the 6230i but for many people this was not neccessary.

I mean, if you're looking for an awful phone which was completely behind with the times even when it was new, you mention the t68i. 256 colours?? I mean come on! And the extremely slow processor? And that joystick? Nothing Nokia brought out could ever been seen to be worse that than monstrosity.

[kitty_kat_uk]

I've got the 6230 (not 6230i) had it for over a year. Its good, but can crash alot, turn itself off, and has a sim registration problem. I am now waiting for delivery of the SE K750i from O2. They said this morning its due back this week as its had software problems, but I should receive it mid to late next week.

Can't wait. I've always had Nokias, but my current work phone is the Samsung D500, which is really easy to use.

[Jose Cardoso]

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Originally Posted by Maven

That's a completely unfair assessment. You were unlucky enough to get phones with a particular fault. In my previous job we were given 6230s to assist us and nobody ever reported any such faults.

3 phones in a row with the same faults all replaced at different times? Anyone else in my position would question the quality of that model if put through the same experience.

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No they are NOT a "piece of sh*t".

Your opinion.

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They would not be issued as company phones if they were.

An interesting comment. My company has bought quite a few thousand of these for use in a prototype project we are developing as well as for use by various employees entrusted with one.

Would it surprise you to know that the bluetooth and other issues I described were not just limited to my use of the phone but were encountered regularly across the broader testing as part of this prototype project? I should also add that in all cases the firmware was current and Orange spewed their usual line "that's the first we've heard of that".

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They would not have sold by the bucketload if they were.

Really? This isn't the first time Nokia have sold phones by the bucket load with inherrent faults. The 7110 and 8110 sold well and were both famous for being slated by quite a few consumer review publications for notoriously dodgy hardware/firmware issues.

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They have their niggles, that's why Nokia brought out the 6230i but for many people this was not neccessary.

Ahh, Nokia's infamous bug fixing practice. Release an "i" version when the faults are unfixable with firmware updates. A crashing phone whilst using basic functions is NOT a niggle. More so when a competitor's phone does the same task in testing time and time again with out a crash.

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I mean, if you're looking for an awful phone which was completely behind with the times even when it was new, you mention the t68i. 256 colours?? I mean come on! And the extremely slow processor? And that joystick?

And the major faults with that phone were what exactly? You point out the joystick which I'll accept had issues but the other specifications you describe are just that. Specifications. That particular phone is an old model and not relevant in a comparison against the 6230 unless you want me to compare bluetooth reliability and compatibilty.

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Nothing Nokia brought out could ever been seen to be worse that than monstrosity.

Again your opinion. Looking at some of Nokia's most recent attempts at phone design I would gladly take a T68i in their place.

Sticking to the thread topic, I would choose a K750i, hell even a K700i, in favour of a 6230 any day of the week knowing what I know about that phone and what I and the company I work for have experienced with it. My comment stands - it's a piece of sh*t.

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[Jose Cardoso]

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Originally Posted by kitty_kat_uk

I've got the 6230 (not 6230i) had it for over a year. Its good, but can crash alot, turn itself off, and has a sim registration problem.

[Maven]

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

3 phones in a row with the same faults all replaced at different times? Anyone else in my position would question the quality of that model if put through the same experience.

My employers have leased 190 Nokia 6230 phones in the last 9 months for employees. Not ONE has been returned with any faults other than 3 which were dropped. How do you explain that?

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

Your opinion.

Indeed it is and I acknowledge it as such.

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

Would it surprise you to know that the bluetooth and other issues I described were not just limited to my use of the phone but were encountered regularly across the broader testing as part of this prototype project?

Yes it would, seeing as in all my time dealing with this phone you are the only one who seems to be convinved it's so bad. 190+ working phones compared to the 3 you claim to have used. No contest really is it?

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

Ahh, Nokia's infamous bug fixing practice. Release an "i" version when the faults are unfixable with firmware updates. A crashing phone whilst using basic functions is NOT a niggle. More so when a competitor's phone does the same task in testing time and time again with out a crash.

Nokia are not the only company who upgrade a product when faults are reported. So what? The 6230 I used NEVER crashed, NEVER had any bluetooth problems and was never anything other than 100% reliable.

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

And the major faults with that phone were what exactly?

Enought for the general public to be enamored with it for about 5 minutes after it was released before throwing the horrible little bit of kit in to the sea.

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

You point out the joystick which I'll accept had issues but the other specifications you describe are just that. Specifications. That particular phone is an old model and not relevant in a comparison against the 6230 unless you want me to compare bluetooth reliability and compatibilty.

Nice try but read my comments in context. When it came out it was behind with the times, when other manufacturers (including Nokia, funnily enough) were bringing out 4k coloured screens, SE were doing the same. Oh no actually they weren't. They stuck with 256. Nokia mass-introduced FM radios, mp3 players. What did SE give us? The 'wonderful T610, T630 etc.

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

Again your opinion. Looking at some of Nokia's most recent attempts at phone design I would gladly take a T68i in their place.

Ahh, jumping subjects now. If you're talking about physical design then yes, you have a point. The T68i's only redeeming feature was it's shape which fitted nicely in the hand. My opinion of course as you've pointed out, you're free to disagree with that.

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

Sticking to the thread topic, I would choose a K750i, hell even a K700i, in favour of a 6230 any day of the week knowing what I know about that phone and what I and the company I work for have experienced with it.

I think you'll find you're in the minority but I guess you've proven that some people will never change their minds, regardless of the overwelming evidence staring them in the face. But that's up to you of course.

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardoso

My comment stands - it's a piece of sh*t.

No no, your opinion stands.

[mr.ian]

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Originally Posted by widnes88

I am thinking about buying a new phone and cant decide whether to buy the nokia 6230 or pay an extra £60 and buy the SE K750i?

Any suggestions?

thanks

Wait for the 6230i, I had the 6230 for a year without any problems and my wife is now the proud owner and she loves it. If you can't wait get the 6230 as the SE K750i is having some major teething problems.

[jammers]

New firmware has been released for the K750 which should iron out any problems. It is the best phone out at the mo.

www.mobileburn.com

has a review of it if you want to take a look.

[imno12u]

I can't believe that somebody on here would actually force themself into believing that the 6230 is anywhere near as good as the K750i. The latter beats it on almost every specification and is far more up-to-date with the actual model.
The 6230i is a much closer rival but still suffers from the annoyingly small screen and being aesthetically identical to its predecesssor.

[Maven]

If you're referring to me then what makes you say I'm 'forcing' myself in to believing it's better? There's no forcing involved, it's genuine belief.

[mr.ian]

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Originally Posted by jammers

New firmware has been released for the K750 which should iron out any problems. It is the best phone out at the mo.

www.mobileburn.com

has a review of it if you want to take a look.

I installed the new firmware and it has caused more problems than it fixed. No GPRS No MMS No E-mail No Good.

[agentz]

The K750 is a fantastic phone, I'd rather have one over a 6230 any day. I use my partners 6230 fairly regularly and absolutely hate the directional controller, can never get it to do what I want (but then maybe that's just lack of practice and my fat fingers!) and think the camera is awful.

The guy at the desk behind me has a K750 and as soon as I saw it I more or less fell in love with it. The camera is fantastic, the UI (in my opinion!) is nice and slick, the weight and heft of the phone are just right for me and it bluetoothed up to my Mac straight away. I still don't like the joystick though - having had a T68i, and a T610, both of which have been blighted by sticky joysticks I'd rather have a directional switch like my S700i.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the 6230 is a bad phone - far from it, I think it's one of the better models Nokia has come out with in recent years, its just that I feel there are better phones around. Every phone I had between 1994/5 and 2001 was a Nokia and I'd probably go back to them if I found something I really liked.

Overall if I didn't have my S700i I'd be going for a K750 right about now.

[Jose Cardoso]

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Originally Posted by Maven

My employers have leased 190 Nokia 6230 phones in the last 9 months for employees. Not ONE has been returned with any faults other than 3 which were dropped. How do you explain that?

My only possible explanation is that our batch of a few thousand 6230's are all Orange phones and were issued to us at the 6230's launch as part of our agreement with Orange sponsoring our project.

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Yes it would, seeing as in all my time dealing with this phone you are the only one who seems to be convinved it's so bad. 190+ working phones compared to the 3 you claim to have used. No contest really is it?

Well it is when I clearly stated our company took delivery of a few thousand of the things and the majority have experienced the same faults as the 3 I 'claim' to have used.

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Nokia are not the only company who upgrade a product when faults are reported. So what? The 6230 I used NEVER crashed, NEVER had any bluetooth problems and was never anything other than 100% reliable.

And that's wonderful for you. Really it is. kitty_kat_uk earlier in this thread described the very same faults I experienced on all 3 6230 I 'claimed' to have owned. A quick Google search for the same faults also reveal many other owners of a 6230 experiencing the same problems. I'll leave it for others to make up their minds.

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Enought for the general public to be enamored with it for about 5 minutes after it was released before throwing the horrible little bit of kit in to the sea.

So no fault list then?

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Nice try but read my comments in context. When it came out it was behind with the times, when other manufacturers (including Nokia, funnily enough) were bringing out 4k coloured screens, SE were doing the same. Oh no actually they weren't. They stuck with 256. Nokia mass-introduced FM radios, mp3 players. What did SE give us? The 'wonderful T610, T630 etc.

Aye, they did. All with an excellent history of Bluetooth reliability and compatibility as well as the wonderfully logical GUI that still stands to this day on current revisions of SE phones.

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Ahh, jumping subjects now. If you're talking about physical design then yes, you have a point. The T68i's only redeeming feature was it's shape which fitted nicely in the hand. My opinion of course as you've pointed out, you're free to disagree with that.

No need. I agree its shape was a design win amongst its other features at the time.

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I think you'll find you're in the minority but I guess you've proven that some people will never change their minds, regardless of the overwelming evidence staring them in the face. But that's up to you of course.

That it is. But then like you yourself said earlier in this thread "I know the newer SE models have been improved but I just won't be able to trust them after my earlier experiences." In my case feel free to replace SE with Nokia. I will however add that the 300 or so Nokia 6630 handsets we have received as replacements for some of the 6230's for our project have worked well.

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No no, your opinion stands.

As clearly does yours.

Reading through the thread so far the general consensus is that the K750i is the better phone. You won't see me disagreeing with that. My previous comments relating to the 6230 stand as a result of my own experience with the phone. You obviously have experienced otherwise to which I'd say be grateful.

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Last edited by Jose Cardoso : 21-06-2005 at 11:16.

[Maven]

In that case we can agree to disagree - but calling the 6230 a "sh*t" phone is clearly incorrect. It may not be your choice of handset but it's certainly not "sh*t" and peoples' online reviews will be a testament to that.

[Jose Cardoso]

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Originally Posted by Maven

In that case we can agree to disagree - but calling the 6230 a "sh*t" phone is clearly incorrect. It may not be your choice of handset but it's certainly not "sh*t" and peoples' online reviews will be a testament to that.

As you say, we'll agree to disagree.

[imno12u]

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Originally Posted by Maven

If you're referring to me then what makes you say I'm 'forcing' myself in to believing it's better? There's no forcing involved, it's genuine belief.

Forcing might have been too strong a term. What I can say is that comparing the 6230 and the K750i is like comparing the 3210 to 6230. It is obvious that one is better because one is newer and has more advanced and better features.