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This country is getting into a poor state.
While we are expected to put up with all sorts of beliefs and behaviour from different sexuality to opposing religious beliefs,its a sad time when its not possible to make negative comments about anything. As soon as you insult a black person they'll jump on the racist bandwagon even if the insult is not colour related,and criticising poofs for disgusting sexual practices (all completely personal taste and personal opinion)is not allowed. Before you jump down my throat(you know you'd love to) I make my point using the obviously offensive wording to show that we live in anything but a free country,and certainly without freedom of speech as we will see immediately as I get criticised for certain WORDS. I really enjoy Graham Norton,Julian Clary and other gay comedians but it really pisses me off that they can talk about themselves in a way that should I put it on here I would get called a homophobe. ...but seriously, it's all a question of intent...intent to a homophobe is often coupled with a weapon resulting in the violent death of gay man being pictured by mobile to the murderer's friends...intent to a gay comedian is just another form of camp...live with the version you prefer |
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If you needed to be interested in actually murdering a gay person to be referred to as a homophobe then all would be well.
But the wooly woofta lovers who merely get offended by people calling poofs by names like queer and similar are the ones who don't help the cause. ![]() (Cor,I sound like I'm back in the time when Love Thy Neighbour was the No.1 programme on tv) |
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the wooly woofta lovers
Is this some sort of 50s secret codeword out of Fire Island or something? |
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...and criticising poofs for disgusting sexual practices (all completely personal taste and personal opinion)is not allowed.
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If you needed to be interested in actually murdering a gay person to be referred to as a homophobe then all would be well.
But the wooly woofta lovers who merely get offended by people calling poofs by names like queer and similar are the ones who don't help the cause. ![]() (Cor,I sound like I'm back in the time when Love Thy Neighbour was the No.1 programme on tv) ...your attitude? No forgiveness for that...if you wanna pretend you didn't fumble your mate at school, go do it in a more worthy forum, don't drown us in it here...if you wanna be constructive and intelligent in your debate? Pray continue. |
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Aah, I see. It's not hateful because it's just personal opinion. That's okay then.
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Are we surrounded by "wooly woofters" then? Writer, Exec Producer, Cpt Jack - lovely! I've been with my bloke for 16 years and hopefully make it legal as soon as Gov't get their finger out (oo er missus) for law to change.
Anyway - kissing is a very European thing now. Everyone pecks their mates - perhaps CJ just was a little too forthcoming (with Billie & CJ) and as a Yank he wouldn't know much about it. Didn't even register here until the threads lit up..... What we want is for a Cyberman in full leather gear chasing DT up a passage - that would be worthy of the Sun's front page!! H (made myself laugh there) |
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Are we surrounded by "wooly woofters" then? Writer, Exec Producer, Cpt Jack - lovely! I've been with my bloke for 16 years and hopefully make it legal as soon as Gov't get their finger out (oo er missus) for law to change.
Anyway - kissing is a very European thing now. Everyone pecks their mates - perhaps CJ just was a little too forthcoming (with Billie & CJ) and as a Yank he wouldn't know much about it. Didn't even register here until the threads lit up..... What we want is for a Cyberman in full leather gear chasing DT up a passage - that would be worth of the Sun's front page!! H (made myself laugh there)
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It s free country (yeah right) so theoretically I can say what I want.If you find my terminology for gay people offensive it's your problem and its tough!!
John,what I am trying to say is whether people dislike poofs for whatever reason it should not be considered unacceptable to air those views. I won't deny I have not dabbled over the years but that can't change my opinion. Wooly wooftas is a term I recall from those very accurately PC programmes of the 70's like On the Buses and Love Thy Neighbour. Just because I use terms you find offensive does not mean I have anything against gay people at all. As they constantly tell us ,they are the same except for what happens in the bedroom. I find the camp gay comedians very funny. If you look down the queue of convention goers at any Dr Who convention from the 80's and further back,its hard not to think they are all gay. Those Nationa Health specs,raincoats and spotty faces did not help either |
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It s free country (yeah right) so theoretically I can say what I want.If you find my terminology for gay people offensive it's your problem and its tough!!
John,what I am trying to say is whether people dislike poofs for whatever reason it should not be considered unacceptable to air those views. I won't deny I have not dabbled over the years but that can't change my opinion. Wooly wooftas is a term I recall from those very accurately PC programmes of the 70's like On the Buses and Love Thy Neighbour were invented...so feel free to punctuate with feeling every now and then and I'll know your intentions...I'm sure they're honourable...
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I like "wooly woofta" and will encourage my playmates at work to adopt it for me - sort of 70's retro chic. I can see Jo Grant chuckling away now.....
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Hunny is fine
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Those Nationa Health specs,raincoats and spotty faces did not help either
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Aah, I see. It's not hateful because it's just personal opinion. That's okay then.
To use a well worn phrase,"get a life" |
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Hmmm, except that pretend straight men are actually as unhygienic as real straight men, smell slightly worse because of the mendacity of their youth that thyey carry with them everywhere they go and as for skin conditions? You have no idea what's lurking under it...accuse gay men of many things hunny, but don't accuse them of not being conscious of themselves
![]() I haven't accused gay men of anything apart from having sex in a way that,if you think about the actual mechanics,is pretty nasty. I know that men and women do it too,but even so it is a bit "iffy" |
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Are you saying my comment that one guy sticking his penis up another guys arse is "not nice" is HATEFUL.
To use a well worn phrase,"get a life" |
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I was not saying they were gay,just that they put that type of impression across.
I haven't accused gay men of anything apart from having sex in a way that,if you think about the actual mechanics,is pretty nasty. I know that men and women do it too,but even so it is a bit "iffy" |
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The Gay community has been wittering on for years about how "normal" they are,and emphasising that the ONLY difference between straight and gay is what happens in bed.
Love,affection etc exists with all sexualities.As this thread relates to homosexuals I don't see a problem describing the SINGLE thing that makes them different |
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Glad to be...me!
Gosh! What have I missed! Go away for five minutes and I see the the moral self righteous brigade have invaded.
I have a life and a very nice one thanks so telling me to get one won't wash with me. As a proud and practicising poof/shirt lifter/queer/homosexual/gay (delete as applicable) and any other name you wish to level at me I didn't see anything sexual or remotely erotic in the kiss that Capt Jack gave to The Doctor. It was a kiss from one man to another as a friend and an exchange that signified that both cared about each other. If you read anything more into that then that says a lot more about what is going on in your mind than anything else. I am smiling and waving as I type this...sticks and stones may break my bones etc....
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Originally Posted by phelings
The Gay community has been wittering on for years about how "normal" they are,and emphasising that the ONLY difference between straight and gay is what happens in bed.
Love,affection etc exists with all sexualities.As this thread relates to homosexuals I don't see a problem describing the SINGLE thing that makes them different
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The Gay community has been wittering on for years about how "normal" they are,and emphasising that the ONLY difference between straight and gay is what happens in bed.
Love,affection etc exists with all sexualities.As this thread relates to homosexuals I don't see a problem describing the SINGLE thing that makes them different To get back on topic: I saw the kiss as a token of affection and respect. I think he just wanted to say: So long, nice knowing you - to both Rose and the Doctor - and that was how he expressed it. Possibly the Beeb and RTD wanted to get people talking etc but in the context of the story, it was, I agree, not erotic or anything like that, really. |
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Originally Posted by Vodka Squirrel
It's a thread about an American dude briefly kissing Doctor Who and how some people got up in arms about it - why do you need to describe what you perceive to be gay sex?
To get back on topic: I saw the kiss as a token of affection and respect. I think he just wanted to say: So long, nice knowing you - to both Rose and the Doctor.
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I may even get round to see the actual programme once the dvd comes out.
I entered into the debate to see how quickly the gay defenders pounced-and boy was I right. I knew immediately I posted that all the PC gay loving mob would be on my case.As you may recall I questioned the lack of freedom of speech,the freedom to air an opinion. The simple fact that this thread has the word homophobia in it when all that is being discussed is a kiss sums up my original intent. It just annoys me that ANY criticism of this type of thing is immediately called Homophobia. |
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I may even get round to see the actual programme once the dvd comes out.
I entered into the debate to see how quickly the gay defenders pounced-and boy was I right. I knew immediately I posted that all the PC gay loving mob would be on my case.As you may recall I questioned the lack of freedom of speech,the freedom to air an opinion. The simple fact that this thread has the word homophobia in it when all that is being discussed is a kiss sums up my original intent. It just annoys me that ANY criticism of this type of thing is immediately called Homophobia. Posting to bait people is fine, except that the people you're baiting are cleverer than that and have shown it in the nature of their posts...mine have been exceptionally good I think... The homophobia, if you'd bothered to read the first thread involves another site directing people to Christian sites that claim to correct homosexuality...now, as a dabbler...would you care for the address just to purge that urge that lurks there?
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I may even get round to see the actual programme once the dvd comes out.
I entered into the debate to see how quickly the gay defenders pounced-and boy was I right. I knew immediately I posted that all the PC gay loving mob would be on my case.As you may recall I questioned the lack of freedom of speech,the freedom to air an opinion. The simple fact that this thread has the word homophobia in it when all that is being discussed is a kiss sums up my original intent. It just annoys me that ANY criticism of this type of thing is immediately called Homophobia. No-one here has said you can't air your opinion, they've just told why your opinion doesn't really hold water and questioned why you have brought all of these issues about homosexuality into what is, as I said, a thread about a dude kissing another dude and nothing more than that. I still don't know why you have done that - and saying that you were waiting for some imaginary "PC mob" to get on your case doesn't really wash either so I wouldn't bother with any of that. I could equally say: funny how any thread about anything at all to do with anything even the slightest bit gay results in someone coming along to post how much gay sex (between men, usually) disgusts them, isn't it? |
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