Originally Posted by whip:
“I can't think of an explanation that involves multiculturism either?.”
“I can't think of an explanation that involves multiculturism either?.”
See the later additions to the transcript
- Chris
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Originally Posted by palefire:
“I think Craig and the like should learn a lesson from ...., which bears the words of someone”
“I think Craig and the like should learn a lesson from ...., which bears the words of someone”
And was it not a famous housemate who once said something like "East Angular? That's abroad innit?"
In Craig's home town in East Anglia even the English are foreigners.
Craig has been going on about how great the British Empire was and what a pity it had to fall for weeks now, so this comes as no real surprise.
The little pillock will probably win.
The little pillock will probably win.
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“Is it offensive to be proud of your Country? I could not see anything in your message that could be construed differently. I am English and proud of it and I am sure the French, Scots, Welsh, Zimbabweans or whatever are all proud too. Why do people try to look for underlying motives when in reality, there is nothing said that most of us have not said at some point in our lives.”
“Is it offensive to be proud of your Country? I could not see anything in your message that could be construed differently. I am English and proud of it and I am sure the French, Scots, Welsh, Zimbabweans or whatever are all proud too. Why do people try to look for underlying motives when in reality, there is nothing said that most of us have not said at some point in our lives.”
But Craig didn't just say he was proud of his country at all did he?
There was a transcript there with a lot more to read.
Why do people look for underlying motives?
"Get 'em out, get 'em out, get 'em out"
Is that "underlying" is it?
I didn't have to look for that, it was screaming out.
Originally Posted by backdoor_uk:
“See the later additions to the transcript
- Chris”
“See the later additions to the transcript
- Chris”
I did and the post still stands. I've no doubt he has some really ignorant views but still doesn't make him the antichrist.
Gods if you hang people for their ignorant opinions Derek would of been swinging weeks ago.
I am proud to be english (and British) and have no problem with what OP says was said. I can read a conversation into that which was harmless but I can also see how others can read it as BNP-talk.
Assuming that you know what was said during the sound dips is a very serious mistake to make as your assumptions may be completely incorrect. The bit with "get em out" was in relation to something that happened in a nightclub full of french people. You don't know whetehr he was referring to get them out of the nightclub or out of the country, you don't even know if the nightclub was in England or abroad. It sounds like a fight occurred but you don't know who started it or what happened because of the sound dips.
I like English food (and after the comments of Jacques Chirac this week shouldn't we be proud of our English food?) and love English style chunky chips as opposed to skinny french fries so why aren't they allowed to say that too without it being xenophobic?
It's good to see young people today being proud to be British and appreciating what people who fought in the wars achieved for this country. Saying he would fight to the death for this country is the same as what people in the army have to believe so are you saying everyone in the army is xenophobic because they will happily kill people from another nationality???
I'm just saying let's not start all the racist/xenophobic comments based on the shady facts of one drunken conversation when nothing outright racist/xenophobic was broadcast.
Assuming that you know what was said during the sound dips is a very serious mistake to make as your assumptions may be completely incorrect. The bit with "get em out" was in relation to something that happened in a nightclub full of french people. You don't know whetehr he was referring to get them out of the nightclub or out of the country, you don't even know if the nightclub was in England or abroad. It sounds like a fight occurred but you don't know who started it or what happened because of the sound dips.
I like English food (and after the comments of Jacques Chirac this week shouldn't we be proud of our English food?) and love English style chunky chips as opposed to skinny french fries so why aren't they allowed to say that too without it being xenophobic?
It's good to see young people today being proud to be British and appreciating what people who fought in the wars achieved for this country. Saying he would fight to the death for this country is the same as what people in the army have to believe so are you saying everyone in the army is xenophobic because they will happily kill people from another nationality???
I'm just saying let's not start all the racist/xenophobic comments based on the shady facts of one drunken conversation when nothing outright racist/xenophobic was broadcast.
Originally Posted by whip:
“I don't like Craig, in fact IMO he's a slimey little toad. But this is getting silly now. He's not saying he's against multiculturism just that is causes different dynamics in a society.”
“I don't like Craig, in fact IMO he's a slimey little toad. But this is getting silly now. He's not saying he's against multiculturism just that is causes different dynamics in a society.”
No, he isn't against multiculturism at all is he?
He just wants other countries to worship the English.
when I first saw this thread thought here we go another thread having a go at Maxwell & co and guess what I was right,
show me where they actually say anything to get so annoyed about other than the fact that they where showing they are proud to be English and to be quite honest feel a lot more people should feel this way,
in this country it seems if you are proud to be English you are classified as being racist
,
the thing that gets me if you go to any other country they are proud to come from that country,
I think it's about time people realised that all our grandfathers and their fathers fought for our right to be a free nation and so we could be proud to be English, Welsh,Scottish or Irish but yet this country as become so scared to actually show we are proud of our country that if anyone stands up and says yes I'm proud to be English they get labelled racist.
well you can call me what you want but as I'm English and proud of it I am one of those that is not afraid to stand up and say so....
show me where they actually say anything to get so annoyed about other than the fact that they where showing they are proud to be English and to be quite honest feel a lot more people should feel this way,
in this country it seems if you are proud to be English you are classified as being racist
,the thing that gets me if you go to any other country they are proud to come from that country,
I think it's about time people realised that all our grandfathers and their fathers fought for our right to be a free nation and so we could be proud to be English, Welsh,Scottish or Irish but yet this country as become so scared to actually show we are proud of our country that if anyone stands up and says yes I'm proud to be English they get labelled racist.
well you can call me what you want but as I'm English and proud of it I am one of those that is not afraid to stand up and say so....
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“No, he isn't against multiculturism at all is he?
He just wants other countries to worship the English.”
“No, he isn't against multiculturism at all is he?
He just wants other countries to worship the English.”
OK he's a dick but this is getting silly. Where was all this vitriol to Derek comparing BB to a Jewish concentration camp?
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“top and bottom of it is
craig thinks hes better than johnny foreigner
”
“top and bottom of it is
craig thinks hes better than johnny foreigner
”
So does Derek, Makosi, Kemal, Orlaith, Anthony, Max, science. They all think they are better than anyone else probibaly Vanessa too.
Originally Posted by jacko12:
“when I first saw this thread thought here we go another thread having a go at Maxwell & co and guess what I was right”
“when I first saw this thread thought here we go another thread having a go at Maxwell & co and guess what I was right”
If you’re reading anything into the first post, then it’s Craig’s words that have put that thought there. It is a transcript of exactly what he said.
I even refrained from referencing his other previous comments such as "Queen Africa" and "Kebab/Kemal" to avoid being accused of any attempt at bias.
Originally Posted by brunobrookes:
“So, if this was NOT aired on E4, how did you find out about it?”
“So, if this was NOT aired on E4, how did you find out about it?”
If you read through the transcript you will see where E4 went to an ad break. Coverage was ongoing on C4 at that time. Can’t say exactly when it cut back to E4 as I kept watching C4.
Originally Posted by phonicBrian:
“typical small town engerlander mentality. "we used to have the empire" "we are superior".
No wonder the rest of the UK hate england so much.”
“typical small town engerlander mentality. "we used to have the empire" "we are superior".
No wonder the rest of the UK hate england so much.”
Interesting to hear that the rest of the UK (according to you) is only intelligent enough to base their view of a country on the views of a few yobs.
No doubt your version of the 'rest of the UK' thinks in turn that Northern Ireland is entirely populated by the IRA, that the Welsh all work down coal mines and sing and that the Scottish are either rabid protestants or catholics who get drunk every Saturday night and sing 'I belong to Glasgee'. Anyone can use such ludicrous and offensive stereotypes such as your example of 'the typical small town engerlader' for any nation or race.
I don't know why you are so qualified to express the views of the 'rest of the UK' but I should think that if those views are held , then its by exactly the same sort of people that you have just "quoted" as speaking on behalf of England.
Thank god the majority of us give no credence to the xenophobic bile spat out by certain moronic members of each country in the UK.
Interesting too, that on a board dominated by cries of racism on every other thread, you decide to contribute your version.
Originally Posted by whip:
“OK he's a dick but this is getting silly. Where was all this vitriol to Derek comparing BB to a Jewish concentration camp?”
“OK he's a dick but this is getting silly. Where was all this vitriol to Derek comparing BB to a Jewish concentration camp?”
What's getting silly?
A housemate says and does stuff,...we comment with opinions on it.
That's the way it works.
What has Derek got to do with what was said last night?
You ask where the vitriol towards Derek is...well there was a thread about it.
I don't believe this thread has any obligation to compare Craig with what other housemates have said.
They have their threads when they say or do something, it just so happens that this thread is about what Craig said.
Originally Posted by Straker:
“If you’re reading anything into the first post, then it’s Craig’s words that have put that thought there. It is a transcript of exactly what he said.
I even refrained from referencing his other previous comments such as "Queen Africa" and "Kebab/Kemal" to avoid being accused of any attempt at bias.”
“If you’re reading anything into the first post, then it’s Craig’s words that have put that thought there. It is a transcript of exactly what he said.
I even refrained from referencing his other previous comments such as "Queen Africa" and "Kebab/Kemal" to avoid being accused of any attempt at bias.”
Wrong what I put was you state this wasn't shown on E4 but yet you somehow come in possesion of this but yet no one else has that is what I'm on about and how I come too the conclusion that this is yet another thread started too have a go at Maxwell & co....
Edited :-
Note you have yet to show us where they actually stated anything apart from being proud to be English as you put that their was sound dips and as you cannot unless you work for the endemol production team and have seen the unedited tapes of this cannot possibly know what they actually said so are jumping to conclusions,
which also validates my conclusion that this is yet another thread to have a go at Maxwell and co....
Originally Posted by brunobrookes:
“So, if this was NOT aired on E4, how did you find out about it?”
“So, if this was NOT aired on E4, how did you find out about it?”
Well it was aired on Channel 4.
Originally Posted by jacko12:
“Wrong what I put was you state this wasn't shown on E4 but yet you somehow come in possesion of this but yet no one else has that is what I'm on about and how come too the conclusion that this is yet another thread started too have a go at Maxwell & co....”
“Wrong what I put was you state this wasn't shown on E4 but yet you somehow come in possesion of this but yet no one else has that is what I'm on about and how come too the conclusion that this is yet another thread started too have a go at Maxwell & co....”
Err,..no.
I saw it as the OP described. It was an accurate transcript of what I watched.
It was shown live on Channel 4.
Originally Posted by jacko12:
“Wrong what I put was you state this wasn't shown on E4 but yet you somehow come in possesion of this but yet no one else has that is what I'm on about and how come too the conclusion that this is yet another thread started too have a go at Maxwell & co....”
“Wrong what I put was you state this wasn't shown on E4 but yet you somehow come in possesion of this but yet no one else has that is what I'm on about and how come too the conclusion that this is yet another thread started too have a go at Maxwell & co....”
Oh dear. You must feel a little silly. In the original transcript I said exactly where coverage cut to C4 when E4 went to an ad break and I also re-stated this in response to another poster on this second page.
Originally Posted by backdoor_uk:
“the point is the implied xenophobia, and consequent suggestions about what may have been siad durring the sound dips. You can love your country, without having to hate other cultures.
- Chris”
“the point is the implied xenophobia, and consequent suggestions about what may have been siad durring the sound dips. You can love your country, without having to hate other cultures.
- Chris”
agreed, what they were saying is borderline xenophobia, athough Craig saying, I will eat my chps with mayo, the English way shows how ignorant he is...........thats the dutch way craig, you moron
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Oh dear. You must feel a little silly. In the original transcript I said exactly where coverage cut to C4 when E4 went to an ad break and I also re-stated this in response to another poster on this second page.”
“Oh dear. You must feel a little silly. In the original transcript I said exactly where coverage cut to C4 when E4 went to an ad break and I also re-stated this in response to another poster on this second page.”
OK, drop it. It was a misunderstanding. I thought the same seeing as your thread title says transcript of what was NOT aired on e4 so it does make you question where you saw it then. Now you've cleared up that the first bit was on e4 and the second bit was on c4 then lets leave it at that and not start with all the name-calling and offense toward other forum members.
If people are up on their history they will know that there are very few achievments with which the "English" can be rightly proud. virtually every problem that occurs in the world * today * can be traced back to a time where the "English" have had a hand in it.
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Oh dear. You must feel a little silly. In the original transcript I said exactly where coverage cut to C4 when E4 went to an ad break and I also re-stated this in response to another poster on this second page.”
“Oh dear. You must feel a little silly. In the original transcript I said exactly where coverage cut to C4 when E4 went to an ad break and I also re-stated this in response to another poster on this second page.”
Well in that case your thread title is incorrect as you stated NOT aired on E4 but even you are now admitting this all conversation started on E4 but broke for ads and you changed channel.
and if you read the edited reply to you then answer what was put in the first post and my second and the same questions others are asking...
Originally Posted by JBarlow:
“OK, drop it. It was a misunderstanding. I thought the same seeing as your thread title says transcript of what was NOT aired on e4 so it does make you question where you saw it then. Now you've cleared up that the first bit was on e4 and the second bit was on c4 then lets leave it at that and not start with all the name-calling and offense toward other forum members.
”
“OK, drop it. It was a misunderstanding. I thought the same seeing as your thread title says transcript of what was NOT aired on e4 so it does make you question where you saw it then. Now you've cleared up that the first bit was on e4 and the second bit was on c4 then lets leave it at that and not start with all the name-calling and offense toward other forum members.
”
I did make it clear from the start!!! It’s marked in the transcript where C4 coverage picked up. If other posters accuse me of flat out lying and manufacturing quotes to slur a HM I think I’m entitled to respond. Considering the inference I think my response was extremely restrained.
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