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7/7 Craig to Max: "Are you patriotic?" NOT aired on E4. Transcript
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Dingledoodie
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by Janea:
“Why is is considered a negative thing to be pround to be English though - when it's OK to celebrate being Scottish, Welsh or Irish? I know several people who have been really slammed as racist for celebrating St George's day and for saying they were proud to be English.

Though I don't condone the get em out phrase AT ALL! I just get sad when you can't be proud of your country.”

There's nothing wrong with being patriotic! I'm patriotic... but I'm not racist. That conversation seems to infer that to be patriotic you have to be racist. It's disgusting.

I'm proud of our country, I'm proud that it's becoming less racist (slowly), I'm proud that racism is seen as disgusting, I'm proud of the rich and various cultural influences we have here now.

Considering they all went on and on about ENGLISH FOOD, I bet they all eat regularly in Indian and Chinese restaurants and take-a-ways. Apart form anything else... chips originated in France!!! (Hence American's calling them French Fries).

They're RACIST HYPOCRITS... NOT PATRIOTS.
Alrightmate
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by Informer:
“I could never understand how anyone could be proud to be from a particular country..

What has any country done to make you feel proud? - It doesn't make sense.”

Well I think it's a good thing to be proud of what your fellow compatriots have acheived, past and present.
And I did feel proud to be British when I heard the news that we got the London Olympic bid.
All that's good and healthy I think. It's more about feeling good about your fellow countrymen.

But when it gets a bit nationalistic, and jingositic, then that's when it becomes less about the positives, and more about pointing out the negatives of people who aren't the same nationality as you.

Craig's rant was about putting other people down, by stating that English was best, and better than everyone else.
It was about superiority, and as we know already, Craig only tends to gain comfort and security when he's being extremely unpleasant about others, putting them down and making them miserable.
I doubt that Craig has suddenly decided to be a generous considerate person all of a sudden.

He appears to think that to be loyal to somebody or something, then you have to prove that loyalty by viciously slagging someone else off.
That seems to be his understanding of how you show your loyalty. He has shown this behaviour time and time again in the house when it has come to making personal alliances with people. It appears to be his distorted understanding of what friendship is all about.

What's "Hardcore English"?
Alrightmate
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by Dingledoodie:
“There's nothing wrong with being patriotic! I'm patriotic... but I'm not racist. That conversation seems to infer that to be patriotic you have to be racist. It's disgusting.

I'm proud of our country, I'm proud that it's becoming less racist (slowly), I'm proud that racism is seen as disgusting, I'm proud of the rich and various cultural influences we have here now.

Considering they all went on and on about ENGLISH FOOD, I bet they all eat regularly in Indian and Chinese restaurants and take-a-ways. Apart form anything else... chips originated in France!!! (Hence American's calling them French Fries).

They're RACIST HYPOCRITS... NOT PATRIOTS.”

And I believe that curry is now Britain's favourite food.
Arseholes like Craig just don't seem to realise that Britain is such a diverse mix of cultures, who have contributed to the good of Britain and added to the mix in a healthy positive way over the years.
Alrightmate
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by NaughtyIrish:
“my god people! isnt there loads of anti Max & Co threads already?!?! since when is it wrong to be proud of your country?

IM IRISH & PROUD OF IT.

think your lookin to much ino it, it was boys havin fun-mocking each other etc. FULL STOP.

......gonna get ripped to shreads with this one......”

No not at all.

Does your pride extend to proclaiming your superiority over non-Irish, or do you feel that other nations should worship you as gods?
Does your pride involve putting down non-Irish in the most negative, mean spirited fashion?

Or is your pride more about acknowledging the positive merits of the Irish?
laulau
07-07-2005
Sorry to be flippant,but the idea that chips with mayonnaise is "typically English" says it all about that shower,IMO...
troyston
07-07-2005
Craig thinks that all other nations should worship England as a god. Says it all really. That is beyond just being patriotic.
ukpaul
07-07-2005
Interesting post.

Thanks.

(and a well deserved bump)
D22
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by Straker:
“ E4 AD BREAK [switched to C4 coverage]

Craig: "This year...this year I was really hoping that they were gonna put me on here with...with an..[mouths something silently to Max and Ant that he clearly does not want to say out loud]

Ant & Max: "Wot? WOT?"

Ant: "Wot the fack is he sayin’?

Max: "Fack knows...... [indistinguishable dialogue] ...glass of wine"

[Sound muted]

Max: "......that’s a debate I got kicked.......in another time and place....

Craig: "I did. And he was on the opposition. Let ‘em all in, Let ‘em all in, Let ‘em all in..[whispering now] get ’em out, get ’em out, get ’em out..”

I recorded it last night. The missing word Craig had to repeat, was "Assylum Seeker", and then C4 cut the sound.. so draw your own conclusions.
katebug
07-07-2005
I hope they show it tonight, but I bet they dont
kentflint
07-07-2005
I am not condoning Craigs version of "patriotic",however with all the previous talk about the "English "national anthem"yesterday I feel it might be worth examining just what kind of sentiments the anthem evokes.

It talks of confounding our enemies, thwarting of Knavish tricks, and the seditious Scots used to have a verse to themselves.

It's a nasty piece of work that praises and asks for protection of an individual cares little for the peasants who simply are expected to lay down and pay homage.

It makes it very easy for those like craig to extend it into jingoism since IMO that's were it came from.
justin1972uk
07-07-2005
I'm glad I live in Britain but I'm not proud to actually be British. I really couldn't care less what it says on my passport.

I'm surprised by Craig's ignorance to the fact that the North of England is just as racially integrated as the South. He's evidently never left his own postcode.
bom-jiggy
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by justin1972uk:
“I'm glad I live in Britain but I'm not proud to actually be British. I really couldn't care less what it says on my passport.

I'm surprised by Craig's ignorance to the fact that the North of England is just as racially integrated as the South. He's evidently never left his own postcode.”


He is a gimp! What do people expect
JT Effect
07-07-2005
It's definitely 'asylum seeker' - the word that he mouthes to Maxwell and Anthony. I watched the whole uncomfortable little episode last night with my mouth open in disbelief. Then followed the 3 of them chanting that wonderful little 'Engerland, Engerland, Engerland' ditty, with Craig going over to the patio doors and opening them wide, watching Science in the kitchen cooking as he clapped away to the beat of the 'song'.

It made my flesh creep! Couple that last night with the 'Go to Big Brother Zimbabwe', calling Turkish Kemal 'Kebab', etc etc etc.
bom-jiggy
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by JT Effect:
“It's definitely 'asylum seeker' - the word that he mouthes to Maxwell and Anthony. I watched the whole uncomfortable little episode last night with my mouth open in disbelief. Then followed the 3 of them chanting that wonderful little 'Engerland, Engerland, Engerland' ditty, with Craig going over to the patio doors and opening them wide, watching Science in the kitchen cooking as he clapped away to the beat of the 'song'.

It made my flesh creep! Couple that last night with the 'Go to Big Brother Zimbabwe', calling Turkish Kemal 'Kebab', etc etc etc.”


Say no more my friend, say no more

I'm not sure how much more i can take of this gimp
bom-jiggy
07-07-2005
It's only a matter of time before one of the other housemates hear some of the gimps "patriotic" views and i hope all hell will break loose
Straker
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by brylcreem:
“After what happened in london today they will definitely show this conversation tonight and it will definitely increase the ant max and craig's popularity... and having pride in your country is not xenophobia so stop looking for stuff to damage their popularity
-Greg”


What a sickening post.

Every cloud eh.......?
Daddy C
07-07-2005
Originally Posted by backdoor_uk:
“the point is the implied xenophobia, and consequent suggestions about what may have been siad durring the sound dips. You can love your country, without having to hate other cultures.

- Chris”

Well said
Ezenden
07-07-2005
So Craig's BNP style rant didnt make the highlights. What a surprise.
Dingledoodie
08-07-2005
Originally Posted by Ezenden:
“So Craig's BNP style rant didnt make the highlights. What a surprise. ”

He's got a nice BNP hairstyle now tho!
Joolzratbag
08-07-2005
Originally Posted by JT Effect:
“It's definitely 'asylum seeker' - the word that he mouthes to Maxwell and Anthony. I watched the whole uncomfortable little episode last night with my mouth open in disbelief. Then followed the 3 of them chanting that wonderful little 'Engerland, Engerland, Engerland' ditty, with Craig going over to the patio doors and opening them wide, watching Science in the kitchen cooking as he clapped away to the beat of the 'song'.

It made my flesh creep! Couple that last night with the 'Go to Big Brother Zimbabwe', calling Turkish Kemal 'Kebab', etc etc etc.”

Whoever can claim this is not xenophobic is as shockingly dim as Craig is
common foe
08-07-2005
endemol are the ones who should be ashamed. they have sold themselves to the devil for a quik buck. it's not the rascist rant that gets my goat....freedom of speech...blah blah blah...but the fact that endemol did not feature the rant on the highlights programme. A clear indication who they would like to see in the final week....so whats the point voting if they have such a strong say....well....the point is....revenues from voters.###

i'm not goin to watch BB any longer....endemol are a complete disgrace.
JTW
08-07-2005
I've just read this whole thread and feel totally disgusted. More so since I've just said on another thread how nice it was watching the live feed just now and seeing Science and Max ironing out their differences with no help from Craig mind you.

I've voted a fair bit to get Max out but feel you are right that it's a total waste of money as there's something so fundamentally wrong in the minds of the Endemol production team to be actively supporting this.
simon 2003
15-07-2005
not that much wrong with that 4 me,whats wrong with being patriotic,even the government agree there are too many asylum seekers trapesing across europe to come and sponge off our leniant benifits system,are our grandfathers threw themselves like lambs to the slaughter at the somme ,normandy ect so we could live in peace and harmony,now look at us spending millions housing these people when are own are in as much need,nhs fooked,pensions fooked,innercitys fooked,surely keep our own house in order first,and how is saying go on big brother zimbabwe (after all shes from zimbabwe,look how they treat white farmers ),and calling kemal kabab,racialist,seems an easy card to play that someones racist if you are non white,just as dispicable as being racist
hobbes
15-07-2005
Ok Simon-I guess everyone is entitlied to an opinion. It is the basis of our democracy.

I just think that anyone living in the fourth biggest economy in the world could possibly be a bit more charitable. Its a sign of civilisation that those less fortunate are helped not left to rot at the bottom of the hill
Precknoo
15-07-2005
That is a disgrace and clearly shows what a nasty little rat Craig is. Channel 4 bottled showing it as they knew there would be an uproar and they would have to take action.
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