When BB set the task for the 'brainiest HM' to come to the diary room, all the other HM's wanted Derek to go. Derek obviously didn't wish to do this because he thought his so called 'substantial' knowledge base would be seen for the shame that it is. He thought the questions would be of the 'general knowledge' kind (exactly the type he & Kemal set for the other HM's when they have their quiz nights). So it was clear to me that he was not going to put himself up for ridicule from any of the other lowly HM's, which is why Kemal ended up doing the task to win them their video messages.
Why does Derek insist Science cant read or write?
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Originally Posted by alibat:
“Exactly Science is a Leo, his birthday is August 14th I think. My daughter a teacher, also left school at 15 as her birthday is in August.”
“Exactly Science is a Leo, his birthday is August 14th I think. My daughter a teacher, also left school at 15 as her birthday is in August.”
Mystery solved
Originally Posted by Jesaya:
“Why retarded... pretentious I would agree, but I also agree with his sentiment”
“Why retarded... pretentious I would agree, but I also agree with his sentiment
”
Retarded because it involves two separate leaps of logic
1. that Makosi et al are the bourgeois - why? what is the comparison?
2. orangery - bourgeoisary - it's not exactly an obvious leap
also bourgeoisary sounds retarded
Originally Posted by alibat:
“I think you may be right in a way, although I also think as Derek failed to "control" Science & Science being up for eviction proved he was unpopular in the house, he is now out to "control" the other HM's views about Science (his second choice). Power I think for Derek, is better than sex.”
“I think you may be right in a way, although I also think as Derek failed to "control" Science & Science being up for eviction proved he was unpopular in the house, he is now out to "control" the other HM's views about Science (his second choice). Power I think for Derek, is better than sex.”
Hmm... power and control yep thats what Derek is about too probably, Science cannot be controlled or manipulated to Derek's dismay.
Originally Posted by small_G:
“Because Derek see's all of Science's qualities (honour, morals, etc) as very very bad things, so he wants to make Science look bad, thus, making Derek's qualities look better (deceit, bitching, etc).”
“Because Derek see's all of Science's qualities (honour, morals, etc) as very very bad things, so he wants to make Science look bad, thus, making Derek's qualities look better (deceit, bitching, etc).”
You know, I blow hot and codl with Derek, but I'm starting to wonder if indeed his attitude to science is purely driven by the game.
- Chris
Originally Posted by MissyAnn:
“Hmm... power and control yep thats what Derek is about too probably, Science cannot be controlled or manipulated to Derek's dismay.”
“Hmm... power and control yep thats what Derek is about too probably, Science cannot be controlled or manipulated to Derek's dismay.”
This is what I like about Science, he will not be swayed from being an individual. I would be happy if he won.
Originally Posted by wilo:
“Retarded because it involves two separate leaps of logic
1. that Makosi et al are the bourgeois - why? what is the comparison?
2. orangery - bourgeoisary - it's not exactly an obvious leap
also bourgeoisary sounds retarded”
“Retarded because it involves two separate leaps of logic
1. that Makosi et al are the bourgeois - why? what is the comparison?
2. orangery - bourgeoisary - it's not exactly an obvious leap
also bourgeoisary sounds retarded”
1. I made the assumption that Makosi et al were who he was referring to as the bourgeoisie in the house. It would be very like Derek to use such a phrase to describe them.
2. Sorry, evidently confused you there... I meant it was the same sort of word as Orangery (or servery), not that it was one.
Originally Posted by 40-40J's:
“Derek does seem to have a real downer on Science - his reasons are not that obvious. Maybe he sees something in Science that reminds him of a place he would rather forget or a person that he nearly grew up to be. What ever the real reason is, it is getting very tiring.”
“Derek does seem to have a real downer on Science - his reasons are not that obvious. Maybe he sees something in Science that reminds him of a place he would rather forget or a person that he nearly grew up to be. What ever the real reason is, it is getting very tiring.”
I agree, also I think Derek knows Science is the one who can see straight through the fake persona he's constructed for himself to the real person - a working class black man JUST LIKE SCIENCE.
Derek is not 'upper class', absolutely nowhere near it. He hangs with the 'right' people, joins the clubs, wears the clothes and has adopted the accent, which I notice has been slipping quite a bit for the last 2 weeks - touches of Laaahhndan creeping back in - but Science knows him for what he really is. Science IS it.
Most mothers and fathers would be proud to to have
Science as their son,more than i can say for upper class
twit Derek who calls Science a peasant.I hope Science
wins just to wipe the smug look of Dereks face.
Science as their son,more than i can say for upper class
twit Derek who calls Science a peasant.I hope Science
wins just to wipe the smug look of Dereks face.
Originally Posted by Jesaya:
“
Oh, and I think Derek referred to the loft as the bourgeoisary... (like 'Orangery') he was referring to it as a place where the bourgois meet and talk out of their bottoms, like Makosi, Vanessa and Kemal. Derek is very intelligent and I would rather be locked in a house with him for 11 weeks than Science for 11 minutes (even though his constant showing off would drive me spare too).”
“
Oh, and I think Derek referred to the loft as the bourgeoisary... (like 'Orangery') he was referring to it as a place where the bourgois meet and talk out of their bottoms, like Makosi, Vanessa and Kemal. Derek is very intelligent and I would rather be locked in a house with him for 11 weeks than Science for 11 minutes (even though his constant showing off would drive me spare too).”
Yep, and they have that name for themselves, the 'boudoir G' or something like that, aka the bedroom gang.
Originally Posted by poppitypop:
“This is what I like about Science, he will not be swayed from being an individual. I would be happy if he won.”
“This is what I like about Science, he will not be swayed from being an individual. I would be happy if he won.”
I agree, although I would also add that Science is also concerned about others, so it is not always about himself. I found it sad that in the same time frame that Science, was sticking up for Makosi, she was telling Derek she hated Science.
Originally Posted by Pearl Necklace:
“Yep, and they have that name for themselves, the 'boudoir G' or something like that, aka the bedroom gang.”
“Yep, and they have that name for themselves, the 'boudoir G' or something like that, aka the bedroom gang.”
ahh perhaps that is the term Derek used (so hard at my age to hear properly).
Originally Posted by Jesaya:
“1. I made the assumption that Makosi et al were who he was referring to as the bourgeoisie in the house. It would be very like Derek to use such a phrase to describe them.
2. Sorry, evidently confused you there... I meant it was the same sort of word as Orangery (or servery), not that it was one.”
“1. I made the assumption that Makosi et al were who he was referring to as the bourgeoisie in the house. It would be very like Derek to use such a phrase to describe them.
2. Sorry, evidently confused you there... I meant it was the same sort of word as Orangery (or servery), not that it was one.”
1. I can't really see why Makosi et al are the bourgeois(ie) in that house though?
2. No, I got what you meant, I just don't think many people would pick up on it.
Although now we have the new option of the boudoir G, so perhaps we were both wrong.
Originally Posted by wilo:
“Didn't he say before though that he didn't finish school and wished he had?
Remember his message to "the kids" in the DR not to leave school early?”
“Didn't he say before though that he didn't finish school and wished he had?
Remember his message to "the kids" in the DR not to leave school early?
”
Maybe he means he wishes he had stayed on at school - something almost unheard of in some run-down areas.
Originally Posted by hyacinthbee:
“Maybe he means he wishes he had stayed on at school - something almost unheard of in some run-down areas.”
“Maybe he means he wishes he had stayed on at school - something almost unheard of in some run-down areas.”
Oh you mean to A-levels rather than leaving at 16?
Yeah perhaps, you could well be right.
I always think of staying on to A-level as finishing school and leaving before that as leaving early.
Originally Posted by wilo:
“Oh you mean to A-levels rather than leaving at 16?
Yeah perhaps, you could well be right.
I always think of staying on to A-level as finishing school and leaving before that as leaving early.”
“Oh you mean to A-levels rather than leaving at 16?
Yeah perhaps, you could well be right.
I always think of staying on to A-level as finishing school and leaving before that as leaving early.”
Thats right. The school he attended may have had a 6th form, but if he was anything like me, he was running out as soon as he was able. (how I regretted it in later years!!)
Originally Posted by Pearl Necklace:
“I agree, also I think Derek knows Science is the one who can see straight through the fake persona he's constructed for himself to the real person - a working class black man JUST LIKE SCIENCE.
Derek is not 'upper class', absolutely nowhere near it. He hangs with the 'right' people, joins the clubs, wears the clothes and has adopted the accent, which I notice has been slipping quite a bit for the last 2 weeks - touches of Laaahhndan creeping back in - but Science knows him for what he really is. Science IS it.”
“I agree, also I think Derek knows Science is the one who can see straight through the fake persona he's constructed for himself to the real person - a working class black man JUST LIKE SCIENCE.
Derek is not 'upper class', absolutely nowhere near it. He hangs with the 'right' people, joins the clubs, wears the clothes and has adopted the accent, which I notice has been slipping quite a bit for the last 2 weeks - touches of Laaahhndan creeping back in - but Science knows him for what he really is. Science IS it.”
I think what you have said is very interesting - you're partly suggesting first that Science is genuine and Derek is fake. Starting with their names - and what can be more central to your persona than what you are called - Derek goes by his given name, Science has decided he is to be called Science the Great!!! My point is that they are both constructed personas - you just happen to prefer one over the other. Lots of people from Science's background are completely integrated into middle England or whatever you want to call mainstream Britain.
You are also implying that 'working class' people cannot better themselves in some respects, calling it fake. There's nothing wrong with going to the 'right' places if you can get in, or wearing the 'right' clothes, just as there is nothing wrong in doing the supposedly 'wrong' things. It's just personal taste. Derek speaks with received pronunciation which is the traditional thing for educated people or those trying to educate themselves in Britain to do. I like it because it is effortless for me to listen to people who talk like that (I am Scots, living in London, took me ages to understand some Londoners and I know vice versa!). I can understand every word Derek and Makosi and Kemal say - they are all excellent speakers - Science not only shouts he garbles a lot of his words, so even if he is making a vaild point I find him the most difficult to pick up.
Originally Posted by wilo:
“1. I can't really see why Makosi et al are the bourgeois(ie) in that house though?
2. No, I got what you meant, I just don't think many people would pick up on it.
Although now we have the new option of the boudoir G, so perhaps we were both wrong.”
“1. I can't really see why Makosi et al are the bourgeois(ie) in that house though?
2. No, I got what you meant, I just don't think many people would pick up on it.
Although now we have the new option of the boudoir G, so perhaps we were both wrong.
”
Yes I think we probably were both wrong
Although as Derek considers himself upper class he might consider Mak et al as bourgeois in the derogatory use of the term - as middle class and philistine.
Originally Posted by 40-40J's:
“Derek does seem to have a real downer on Science - his reasons are not that obvious. Maybe he sees something in Science that reminds him of a place he would rather forget or a person that he nearly grew up to be. What ever the real reason is, it is getting very tiring.”
“Derek does seem to have a real downer on Science - his reasons are not that obvious. Maybe he sees something in Science that reminds him of a place he would rather forget or a person that he nearly grew up to be. What ever the real reason is, it is getting very tiring.”
I think there could be some truth in that. Maybe Derek sees some of his past in Science and it worries him a bit. I also wonder if he thinks Science is an bright boy and it bothers him to see him waste his talents (as Derek would see it).
In the early days, some of the housemates christened the Loft 'the Boudoir G'. Some housemates, including Derek, mispronounce it (either consciously or unconsciously) 'the Bourgeosie'.
This is my take on the sharp change in Derek's attitude to Science since the beginning of last week:
Derek is a professional manipulator. We are now past the halfway mark and heading for home. I think Derek is planning ahead - asking himself who it would benefit him to be in there with in the final week. Derek wants to be 'the only black man in the village'. In the final week, you want to stand out, to be unique. If he was only one of two black men, it would compromise his USP. If Derek's plan had worked - if Science had gone out last week - I expect he would by now have turned to working on being 'the only gay in the village'.
Derek is a professional manipulator. We are now past the halfway mark and heading for home. I think Derek is planning ahead - asking himself who it would benefit him to be in there with in the final week. Derek wants to be 'the only black man in the village'. In the final week, you want to stand out, to be unique. If he was only one of two black men, it would compromise his USP. If Derek's plan had worked - if Science had gone out last week - I expect he would by now have turned to working on being 'the only gay in the village'.
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“This is my take on the sharp change in Derek's attitude to Science since the beginning of last week:
Derek is a professional manipulator. We are now past the halfway mark and heading for home. I think Derek is planning ahead - asking himself who it would benefit him to be in there with in the final week. Derek wants to be 'the only black man in the village'. In the final week, you want to stand out, to be unique. If he was only one of two black men, it would compromise his USP. If Derek's plan had worked - if Science had gone out last week - I expect he would by now have turned to working on being 'the only gay in the village'.”
“This is my take on the sharp change in Derek's attitude to Science since the beginning of last week:
Derek is a professional manipulator. We are now past the halfway mark and heading for home. I think Derek is planning ahead - asking himself who it would benefit him to be in there with in the final week. Derek wants to be 'the only black man in the village'. In the final week, you want to stand out, to be unique. If he was only one of two black men, it would compromise his USP. If Derek's plan had worked - if Science had gone out last week - I expect he would by now have turned to working on being 'the only gay in the village'.”
Thats a very good theory. We are getting close to the finishing line now, and people are getting desperate.
Originally Posted by hyacinthbee:
“Maybe he means he wishes he had stayed on at school - something almost unheard of in some run-down areas.”
“Maybe he means he wishes he had stayed on at school - something almost unheard of in some run-down areas.”
You know chapeltown/Harehills isnt that run down now as much as some would like to believe. There is quite alot of projects regenerated services/activities in the area. E.g., the Northern Contempory Dance School, The Host (Media complex). This is where Science comes from and the high school he went to have a high proportion of pupils who stay on into 6th form.
Originally Posted by small_G:
“I shared a house at university with someone like Science, and it was great, you knew you could trust him with your stuff, and he would return it as you gave it, he never stole food, he was a great laugh, and very intelligent.
Those are the qualities I see in Science, and I'd really like to see him win.”
“I shared a house at university with someone like Science, and it was great, you knew you could trust him with your stuff, and he would return it as you gave it, he never stole food, he was a great laugh, and very intelligent.
Those are the qualities I see in Science, and I'd really like to see him win.”
In the video Graffiti (see this page), Science says that he got into trouble with the law and was serving a community service order.
Does anyone know what trouble he got into?
Originally Posted by poppitypop:
“This is what I like about Science, he will not be swayed from being an individual. I would be happy if he won.”
“This is what I like about Science, he will not be swayed from being an individual. I would be happy if he won.”
Neither would Vlad the Impaler, but I wouldn't want him winning BB either
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