Originally Posted by duncann:
“I think what you have said is very interesting - you're partly suggesting first that Science is genuine and Derek is fake. Starting with their names - and what can be more central to your persona than what you are called - Derek goes by his given name, Science has decided he is to be called Science the Great!!! My point is that they are both constructed personas - you just happen to prefer one over the other. Lots of people from Science's background are completely integrated into middle England or whatever you want to call mainstream Britain.
You are also implying that 'working class' people cannot better themselves in some respects, calling it fake. There's nothing wrong with going to the 'right' places if you can get in, or wearing the 'right' clothes, just as there is nothing wrong in doing the supposedly 'wrong' things. It's just personal taste. Derek speaks with received pronunciation which is the traditional thing for educated people or those trying to educate themselves in Britain to do. I like it because it is effortless for me to listen to people who talk like that (I am Scots, living in London, took me ages to understand some Londoners and I know vice versa!). I can understand every word Derek and Makosi and Kemal say - they are all excellent speakers - Science not only shouts he garbles a lot of his words, so even if he is making a vaild point I find him the most difficult to pick up.”
I don't think you've got what other posters are trying to say at all.
No-one really cares what either of them are called. What IS being said is that Derek maybe sees something in Sciences character/ways that reminds him of place he'd rather forget. In trying to forget these things, he thinks it would be a good idea to try and turn Science in to a 'mini him', which of course, Science is having none of. Because of this Derek feels the need to treat Science badly - by name calling, whispering behind his back, accusing him of theft etc. This behaviour is disturbing coming from anyone at the best of times, but from someone who thinks they are such a role model for society, it is pretty disgusting.
I don't believe it has anything to do with the clothes Derek wears or the people he hangs with (although this probably helps Derek to keep his behaviour to a bear mininum if all around him act as he does). I also do not beleive that anyone on this forum has said that 'working class' people cannot 'better' themselves or are fake.
Yes, Science does have a problem with communication but that alone does does warrent any of the disturbing behaviour that is being 'dished' out by Derek - no matter what he's wearing or who is hanging out with.
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) but Derek says he hasnt even seen his writing, so how can he comment?