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small_G
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by maggie:
“Science shouts down people all the time. Orlaith shouted once, provoked by Science, and Craig (whom I despise) also shouted back at Science. ”

Can I ask, do you watch the live feed? If so, you surely cannot say 'Orlaith shouted once'. Orlaith has shouted more than once, on more than one occasion at Science. She has repeatedly told him to shut up, to go away, etc. She has attempted (I've seen it on live feed) to humiliate him, to insult him, and bitched about him behind his back on many occasions.

It's not just one sided, people seem to have the impression Science walks around insulting these poor innocent housemates, who were only offering to make his food for him. Science does more for them than they realise, and they dont appreciate it one bit. Even after Orlaith's outburst to Science in the garden, later that night, he made some food, and offered Orlaith some. Did she do the same back to him?
Chris_TV
18-07-2005
Just get Science is out he is an idiot and last night prooved it.
small_G
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by Chris_TV:
“Just get Science is out he is an idiot and last night prooved it.”

And the people who were arguing with Science, they should surely go too? Or are they innocent angels, who had nothing to do with it?
Devilot
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“The think about Science is that he goads people most of the time and then when they try to reply, he doesn't give them a chance to reply, he is getting on my nerves now and until recently wanted him to win, not any more. Why can he just not shut up when people say they don't want to talk to him, he knows full well they can't thump him one and he plays on this. If I was Orlaith I would have thumped him by now and I do not like Orlaith but I think she has restrained herself very well under the circumstances. BTW Ballyhooly, Orlaith only shouts at Science because he won't go away, Science shouts at everyone except Makosi.”

I dont understand people who say 'until recently I wanted Science to win' - he HASNT changed, he is the same now as he was in week 1.

The only thing which HAS changed is the HM's have made him the subject of their bitching more and more because

a) their main rival (Maxwell) is no longer in the house

b)the finishing line is getting nearer and they can almost smell the money

and c) they realise that Science has a HUGE chance of winning and are trying to knock out the opposition.
Melanie20
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by small_G:
“Can I ask, do you watch the live feed? If so, you surely cannot say 'Orlaith shouted once'. Orlaith has shouted more than once, on more than one occasion at Science. She has repeatedly told him to shut up, to go away, etc. She has attempted (I've seen it on live feed) to humiliate him, to insult him, and bitched about him behind his back on many occasions.

It's not just one sided, people seem to have the impression Science walks around insulting these poor innocent housemates, who were only offering to make his food for him. Science does more for them than they realise, and they dont appreciate it one bit. Even after Orlaith's outburst to Science in the garden, later that night, he made some food, and offered Orlaith some. Did she do the same back to him?”


Very well said, Science was not doing anything the other day and Orlaith told him to 'get out' of the living area!
small_G
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by hyacinthbee:
“I dont understand people who say 'until recently I wanted Science to win' - he HASNT changed, he is the same now as he was in week 1.

The only thing which HAS changed is the HM's have made him the subject of their bitching more and more because

a) their main rival (Maxwell) is no longer in the house

b)the finishing line is getting nearer and they can almost smell the money

and c) they realise that Science has a HUGE chance of winning and are trying to knock out the opposition.”

I think your spot on there. And I think certain forum members realise this too, so they will accuse him of anything, if it means their favourite housemate will win.
kimindex
18-07-2005
There's some things I like about Science but I couldn't live with a loudmouth.
small_G
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“There's some things I like about Science but I couldn't live with a loudmouth.”

No-one is asking you to live with him.

But dont make out he's a devil among angels (not necessarily you, but certain people on here).
Sigurd
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by hyacinthbee:
“I dont understand people who say 'until recently I wanted Science to win' - he HASNT changed, he is the same now as he was in week 1.

The only thing which HAS changed is the HM's have made him the subject of their bitching more and more because

a) their main rival (Maxwell) is no longer in the house

b)the finishing line is getting nearer and they can almost smell the money

and c) they realise that Science has a HUGE chance of winning and are trying to knock out the opposition.”

There could be an option (d), you know: the other HMs, for perfectly understandable reasons, just can't stand Science any more.
kimindex
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by small_G:
“No-one is asking you to live with him.

But dont make out he's a devil among angels (not necessarily you, but certain people on here). ”

Then aim that comment at them.

I'm just expressing how I would feel if I lived with him and understanding how he could really wind you up, if you did. I think it's possible to want Science to win and want him to tone it down, as his own father clearly does.
Ballyhooly
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by maggie:
“Science shouts down people all the time. Orlaith shouted once, provoked by Science, and Craig (whom I despise) also shouted back at Science.

You cannot have a reasonable discussion with Science. If you say something to which he disagrees, he starts to shout, and he will continue to shout over whomever attempts to get a word in edgewise. He think that yelling at people and not letting them speak means he's the leader. So not just loud, rude, and intolerant, but clueless as well.

How someone so lacking in basic social skills is going to get ahead in life is beyond me.”

Being a skilled bitchy backstabber is certainly nothing to be proud of. Lacking integrety and honesty are not exactly great qualities, and it is ignorant of the HMs to think that their backstabbing (Orlaith, Derek, Makosi, Craig, Kemal) and jealousy (Craig) will endear the public to them. They are obsessed with judging how loud their cheers are, and are obsessed that their way is right, and so cannot fathom it when the public seems to disagree.
coffeequeen
18-07-2005
Science needs to go back where he belongs in THE HOOD
he has lost the plot he is a danger to the other housemates even his father told him on the home video to calm things down does that not tell you something when his own father is saying that, he thinks he is the big one staying after Maxwell got voted out, hope he is up for nomination this week and gets voted OUT
wilo
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by kparton:
“Like I said, we are all entitled to opinions, the above being mine, but when I make opinions, I use my own thoughts aswell as obvious fact, and the facts are Ant & Science are the better housemates, regardless of whether you hate them or not....and that is what makes them rise above the rest.”

Ha ha ha.

So we are all entitled to our own opinions, but your opinions are FACTS?
small_G
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“Then aim that comment at them.

I'm just expressing how I would feel if I lived with him and understanding how he could really wind you up, if you did. I think it's possible to want Science to win and want him to tone it down, as his own father clearly does.”

Sorry, didnt mean for it to look like it was aimed at you.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who want Science to win, who could not live with him (I know I could not).

But I could not live with any of the others either.
kimindex
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by coffeequeen:
“, hope he is up for nomination this week and gets voted OUT ”

I think he would win against most of the people left in there, except for Anthony.
Devilot
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by coffeequeen:
“Science needs to go back where he belongs in THE HOOD
he has lost the plot he is a danger to the other housemates even his father told him on the home video to calm things down does that not tell you something when his own father is saying that, he thinks he is the big one staying after Maxwell got voted out, hope he is up for nomination this week and gets voted OUT ”

Its not a good idea to start spouting 'people should go back to where they belong', you're starting to sound like Derek.
trinity2002
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by kparton:
“everyone is entitled to their opinions of housemates.

My opinion of Science is, well, the most genuine HM is there besides Anthony, I guess thats why Ant is fav to win and science is second fav to win....according to odds.

Science & Anthony are the only two housemates that deserve to be in the house on the final night, The rest of the morons are so fake, you could package them and sell em off on a sunday market in Birmingham.

Like I said, we are all entitled to opinions, the above being mine, but when I make opinions, I use my own thoughts aswell as obvious fact, and the facts are Ant & Science are the better housemates, regardless of whether you hate them or not....and that is what makes them rise above the rest.”

Stating that Anthony and Science are the better HM's is not fact, it's still only your opinion!
demorules
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by small_G:
“And the people who were arguing with Science, they should surely go too? Or are they innocent angels, who had nothing to do with it?”

I like Science, but as much as I like him, I personally think he was in the wrong last night. He went around almost looking for an argument and wouldn't let the tension die. He's still my second favourite housemate but I think he was in the wrong last night.
Ballyhooly
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by demorules:
“I like Science, but as much as I like him, I personally think he was in the wrong last night. He went around almost looking for an argument and wouldn't let the tension die. He's still my second favourite housemate but I think he was in the wrong last night.”

I saw it from the view that Craig started the spat, through jealousy. Craig used an audience to get momentum behind his jealous rant, and Science stood up for himself, and maybe should have ignored Craig, but he felt he had to tell Craig a few things.
tooty
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“There's some things I like about Science but I couldn't live with a loudmouth.”

I dont think he would carry on the way he does at home,
it's just being caged up with a lot of deranged animals.
assumption
18-07-2005
I felt sorry for Science at points last night; when Craig was in full swing, Science seemed to want to back away from Craig's ranting.

Later he was on his own in the kitchen. I felt he was somewhat forlorn.

However even a fallen dictator can look that way sometimes.

One would have to be there to get a good feeling for any of the personalities in the house. The overall picture is always difficult to ascertain.

Ranting would make anyone hate you, whether the reason for starting the rant were initially just.

How can we decide who is a 'good' housemate, who 'deserves' to win, when we are not there to take in a more complete picture of how people behave towards each other.

After seeing Sciences behaviour at his winners party, I get the feeling that given the fuel of power/wealth, the more extreme parts of his character would tend to dictatorial megalomania.
zazza
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by demorules:
“I like Science, but as much as I like him, I personally think he was in the wrong last night. He went around almost looking for an argument and wouldn't let the tension die. He's still my second favourite housemate but I think he was in the wrong last night.”

Craig deliberately started the row last night by having a go at Science about eating more than his fair share of food.

Craig is terrified that Science will 'steal away' Anthony's attention from him. Lover's jealousy...?

assumption
18-07-2005
Oh; and this has probably been noted before, that Craig is reminiscent of Grimer Wormtongue from the Lord of the Rings.
yellowlabbie
18-07-2005
Originally Posted by assumption:
“I felt sorry for Science at points last night; when Craig was in full swing, Science seemed to want to back away from Craig's ranting.

Later he was on his own in the kitchen. I felt he was somewhat forlorn.

However even a fallen dictator can look that way sometimes.

One would have to be there to get a good feeling for any of the personalities in the house. The overall picture is always difficult to ascertain.

Ranting would make anyone hate you, whether the reason for starting the rant were initially just.

How can we decide who is a 'good' housemate, who 'deserves' to win, when we are not there to take in a more complete picture of how people behave towards each other.

After seeing Sciences behaviour at his winners party, I get the feeling that given the fuel of power/wealth, the more extreme parts of his character would tend to dictatorial megalomania.”

Perhaps Science realised what it is like to be on the other side with someone ranting at him for a change.
morning
18-07-2005
No way!!! Derek is a Rotten Egg and has got to go!!!

Science is the only decent person in that house.

If they took the Dotaged Derek out of the equation, then the younger housemates would not fell as intimidated.

Derek has got to go. Derek is a bad egg.

Endemol should pay Derek £100,000 just to get rid of him.
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