I agree that he may be one of the most geniune housemates there...however he's genuinly annoying, loud and abrasive. Just because someone is genuine doesn't make them likable.

I see your point on that front. However, after the original argument, it was almost like Science wouldn't let it drop and was relentless in his pursuit of an argument.


I agree it was probably Craig who started it, I'm happy to admit that. The problem I had with Science last night was that he wouldn't let it go away, as I said above.

I could understand people not liking Science, if the other housemates were all angels. They've bitched, backstabbed, stolen, etc, and yet 'some FM' on here forget all of that.

So you can not understand why people dislike this atrocious human character, because the other housemates are not all angels? What a lot of rubbish.

I expect you must have noticed his popularity in the house and still I can not understand why all the other’s has not given him the silence treatment, which would drive him mental.

He is appalling to watch because of his constant ranting as he does not know how to speak like a normal human being, never ever has made any decent conversation worth remembering and he is a thief.

He has no intelligence whatsoever, he only knows to argue with every HM and drives them nuts with his constant ranting and talking over them without having a dialogue, because he likes to hear his own voice.

Anybody of the HM who has tried to talk to him got nowhere and gave up with this arse hole. Yesterday he made Orla to cry with his ranting and ruddiness and that definitely gained him browny points with the public.

So why then you think he will be kicked out on Friday?

Because all of us are racists or because of his atrocious character?

Personally I think anyone who buys a glass house nowadays is asking for trouble anyway.

genuine makes him respectable. Which is more than can be said about the whispering backstabbers.

true, they were the rage in the 70's, but after all that stone throwing stuff in the 80's, most people went for bricks and mortar again.

This is the most generalising post I have read. You are way off base with the Orlaith situation. She did the ranting, and she thought she would do it to an audience. She failed miserably. She then apologised to Science, and told him she had her period.

In that case, Science must live in a Crystal Palace, with a glass extension, conservatory and Velux loft conversion

Zimmy you're so wide of the mark with this thread.
Were this a house of decent,ordinary people,fine.
However it's not.
For you to condemn Science like this without looking at the context and wider picture e.g. how these people treat each other... is a very poor reading by you of yesterday's events.
Science is one of the few "good" guys in there and for you to talk of thuggish behaviour and keeping their hands off him is not good enough.

If you're referring to me:

a) I don't have a favourite, I don't think that ANY of them deserve to win. Compared to previous series contestants, these are all a right bunch of losers

b) I've only commented on situations that I have witnessed with my own eyes: not the blinkered views of FM's who want their favourite HM to win, i.e Science.

c) If you watch the live feeds, and not just the HL show, BBLB or BBBM, you may have the same view as a lot of other FM's who have witnessed 1st hand his attrocious behaviour.

It's called twisting what we actually saw. If you are truthful she started it.

[quote=zazza]Craig deliberately started the row last night by having a go at Science about eating more than his fair share of food.

As I've said on previous posts/threads: that is a reasonable view, if you hadn't been watching the live feed in the afternoon.

Having watched E4, from about 2PM, right through to the climax, it was obvious that Science was spoiling for a row, and went from HM to HM. Even when they attempted to walk away, he pursued them. When they tried to reason with them, he just shouted them down.

If I'd have been in a similar situation, I think frustration would have got the better of me. And, lets not forget, it was not just Craig who lost his rag with Science last night: it was every HM, with the possible exception of Makosi. This was a culmination to the provocation which Science had been employing for most of the day.

With the greatest respect, I'm not wide of the mark at all. Did you witness the ENTIRE episode, from early afternoon until late evening as I did?

I'm not anti or pro any HM, neither am I blinkered enough to defend the indefensible.

Those FM's who state that they did see the entire incident, have been unanimous in their condemnation.

If this is your idea of a good guy, I can only pity you

Science has witnessed so much of this awful back-biting without being part of it.
Is it any wonder that he thought he would confront a group of them in the living room to see what fell down.After all,he knows that he's a target from time to time.
I thought he was brilliant and a little braver than most of us would have been.When it matters,he is very kind to those who need it.eg Sam as she left or Vanessa on Friday.
Citizen Science indeed.And living up to that name.

Thank you for the pity which is reciprocated.
You probably need it more than I.
I saw what you did.The early hours part I videoed and watched today.
You're even wide of the mark on your own thread because the FMs here are not "unanimous in their condemnation." A majority yes.
Finally,I thank you for "With the greatest respect" It's nice to see.

Why do the Science-bashers post out and out falsehoods (such. that housemates cannot have a reasonable discussion with him or that he always responds with rhetoric about the "hood" or similar)?

And why do they distort what happens, for instance ignoring the many times other housemates provoke him, including yesterday and last night?

It does get others who dislike Science to jump in and agree, but it can't be convincing anyone else.

They can't when he starts shouting. That's just a fact. Once he starts, it's impossible, unless you get down on your knees and beg him to listen.


He walked into that room last night knowing full well he was not wanted, and what was going to happen. How about Science defenders take off the rose tinted glasses?

And ignoring his good points....he apologised to orlaith last night for upsetting her.

I have noticed it is the same people posting the same old threads and posts, there is a hard core of 5 or 6 if you look through.....as someone else said..can they not post about an HM they like instead of showing all this hatred and bitterness to another HM?

Come away from the troll posts you two. There are really lovely Pro-Science threads on the forum you know

*Drags Boho and Veri out of this thread*

so Science is a "thug" and steals stuff eh? what a pathetic thread... a lot of this anti-Science stuff sounds more like BNP rhetoric than anything else.. a bit of truth and a whole load of lies... disgusting.

frankly the likes of the original poster and his pals are only preaching to the converted and are just crying cos their darling football hoolie Maxwell is languishing in well deserved obscurity between auntie Saskia's tiddies...

The general public like Science because he's a genuine guy with low tolerance for assholes like derek and craig... i mean... CRAIG... this is who you people that "don't know how science would hold down a job" are supporting.... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... CRAIG! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

by atrocious behaviour you mean his arguing skills,shouting etc.

how do you think such a flimsy,almost made out of silver rizla,thinskinned person as you and all the volume police would cope living with someone like angelina jolie,who takes,stores and drinks other people's blood!!!

maybe you think he should be
A..calling people n*g*e*,like derek did
B..never ever doing anything for himself,like the empty vessel that is antony
C..threatening to kick the shite out of kemal on the outside,like craig did
D..using nudity as your main personality trait,like orla does
E..driving himself into an insane asylum,even though he thinks he's clever,like kemal is doing
F..being a general snide behind peoples backs,SEE ALL BAR SCIENCE
G..make a load of shite up,like makosi has done
H..be a vapid,waste of space,craig AND ant this time
I..or be a bit dull,like eugene.

watch it though,i hear there's a slightly argumentative person in there,who sometimes argues poorly,and in a loud voice.
you better warn the blue rizla skinned people too!!

It's a compliment to Science that so many people inside and outside the house see him as a threat and therefore feel the need to attack him. They are the ones to be pitied for being unable to see the truth.

Thankyou..I just hate injustice..but I think I have given up on some of these FM's who can't see even one nice thing about Science..yet we fans are supposed to admit his faults every other post!!

*hugs Susan for getting her away from here*

You just unintentially defended your target there.
In a communal area if you're not wanted,all the more reason to go there and find out why?

i used to like science until last night...