Now why am I not surprised that you are taking this line. Can't bully Science but can bully Orla.

It has been tame this year if anything, I remember plenty of cigarette and lighter hiding shenanigans going on in previous years.

No, no, no... They tried repeatedly with him. He's never been isolated, and is almost always the one who starts fights, and shouts so loud, the others just can't bear to be in the same room as him. That's not isolation, that's getting away from someone for the sake of your own sanity. They have deliberately targeted one person here, just like they (Makoai/Kemal and co.) did with Sam weeks ago.


It's far more amazing how the boy from the ghetto, has displayed far more moments of thuggery than white football fan Maxwell, and has got away with it imo.

Methinks Saint Eugenes is slipping just teeny bit faster

Well put, Positive Thinker. Orlaith has been constantly slated for her vanity, and to some extent this might be justified, but I'd like to see Makosi's reaction to not being able to draw on her eyebrows for three days.

Well, I am sorry, but in previous BB's there has been plenty of hiding of peoples stuff.

Science is not a bully by the way. I think Orla is the bigger bully.

Oh, btw I can take whatever view I wish. Forum...See?

Science is completely isolated at the moment. Craig, Derk, Eugene and Khumal are ignoring him, lying about him and constantly bitching about him. Eugenes two new ideas are to buy only Pork so that he has no meat to eat and to try to get him to "kick off" before Friday to ensure his eviction.

He walked in on Makosi anf Khumals conversation and as he was walking away Khumal said "He'll tell her". Mak then shouted him back to tell him not to tell.

Now think of his position. The only two people who have been nice to him in the last couple of days - Mak and Orlaith are at opposite sides of this "prank.

So if he tells he loses Makosi and if he doesn't he loses his tenuous new relationship with Orlaith.

Yes I agree that this is bullying rather than a "prank" especially with Orlaith so fragile at the moment.

But the main person being bullied in the house at the moment is Science.

Of course you can Melanie20, buts it's double standards.

[quote=PositiveThinker]Isolating someone in such a way is the closest thing you're going to get to bullying in that house. This is not a prank by a group of people on someone who belongs to that group, this is the singling out of someone who they simply do not like

See my post no57

Johnson : although it was makosi and kamal's stupid idea to hide the make up bag, science was there and over heard it. technically like you say it was not him. but if they do go ahead and hide the makeup bag - and orlaith gets really upset like sam did , and science says nothing -, then in my eyes he is just as bad as makosi and kamal. because science keeps on insisting he is not a follower - and if thats true - he would put the poor girl out of her misery and give it back- lets just wait and see what happens.

No he's not. He's still getting on well with Makosi.


They're ignoring him because he's an irritant, who the more you ignore him, the louder he gets, to the point where you have to leave the room.


Doesn't that tell you something about just how unpleasurable the experience of living with the loudmouthed thug is? People want him to start a fight so he can get kicked out.


Here we go again... How crafty this little shit is. Picking fights with everyone only to then be able to play the victim. Sorry, it doesn't wash. We remember his shouting down of Anthony when Ant was trying to be reasonable, and we remember his disgusting behaviour towards Orla when she was making him something, and we remember his pointing of the finger repeatedly in Roberto's chest, and we remember the throwing of the water at Kemal.

Science fans are almost as unreasonable as he is, it seems.

No, no, no... They tried repeatedly with him. He's never been isolated, and is almost always the one who starts fights, and shouts so loud, the others just can't bear to be in the same room as him. That's not isolation, that's getting away from someone for the sake of your own sanity. They have deliberately targeted one person here, just like they (Makoai/Kemal and co.) did with Sam weeks ago.

Rubbish! How many times has Science been called the 'lone wolf'? He has been isloated on many occasions especially in the first few weeks and then he thought he had made an alliance with Derek and Makosi. The alliance with Derek didn't work due to artistic differences but he still has a friend in Makosi.

You will notice that Science did settle down and that the only time he shouts is when he is provoked or told to shut up.

'The "bullying" thing with Orlaith bag is people getting desperate now they are desperate for anything that will stop him from winning BB if I see Orlaith distressed or upset then I will say they have gone too far but until then to me it is a prank and nothing more.

Yes, we remember but Science fans forget, pointing his finger, really rude and he is horrible to Orla as is Makosi and don't forget 'throwing of the bin'.

About 50 times, by himself. He knows how to promote himself doesn't he?


It didn't work because assumed Derek had nominated him when it was actually Vanessa. And he didn't give a damn about Derek's sly ways back then, so you see what a hypocrite he is. He only cared when he deluded himself into believing he was on the receiving end of it. Before that, he was quite happy to be a part of it.


He's gone back to being his own self since he heard a cheer. The guy walked in a thug, who repeatedly pointed his finger in Roberto's chest the first week, and as he says, he hasn't changed despite peoples' best efforts to direct him in the right way.



It's more Kemal and Makosi I believe. I don't need to use this to have a go at Science. The man is an intolerant, obnoxious fool.

Positive Thinker

I am not unreasonable. I believe that this behaviour towards Orla is Bullying.

I also believe however that Derek, Khumal, Eugene and Craig are behaving despicably towards Science by isolating him and that this is a terrible form of bullying for adults to be involved in. They dont like him. So what. There's people i dont like but i dont go around bitching about them or trying to make them unhappy.

How is the isolation of Sam wrong and the isolation of Science right.

Please tell me because I don't understand the contrdictions in your posts.

Did you not hear the boos that Orlaith, Makosi, and Vanessa all got last friday?

Melanie20 you are low low low if you think its all ok for a group to gang up on one person, lousy behaviour and as for you trying to justify your agreeing to it as a prank says more about you than you know

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That's because you get to go home at night, and be with your friends and family. They're stuck with this uncompromising arsehole, and it's my belief that they have shown an unbelievable level of restraint with someone who, had the camera's not been on, would have had his head knocked off by now by any one of Roberto, Maxwell, Derek or Anthony.


Because Sam was just some girl who giggled a lot. Science is a loud mouthed thug who says he's going to "terrorize" them. It's really very simple. If he wasn't such an intolerant git who shouts at people continuously, never letting them get a word in, then it was be unjustified, but his behaviour is beyond the pale I'm afraid.

It's not that I don't want Science to win, I can just see that he has faults like all the other HMs. Doesn't he like being told to shut up? he tells other HMs to do it often enough. Do they rant and rave back, no. They only tell him to shut him because he doesn't know when to stop. So why doesn't he just learn to shut up, like his Dad asked him to on the video clip.

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They're ignoring him because he's an irritant, who the more you ignore him, the louder he gets, to the point where you have to leave the room.

Well if that's the case they should all be ignoring Craig


Doesn't that tell you something about just how unpleasurable the experience of living with the loudmouthed thug is? People want him to start a fight so he can get kicked out.

I was wondering when the 'thug' thing was going to be raised. You use it too loosely my friend. When has Science been a thug? Is that the right attitude by supposedly more intelligent people? Start a fight so another hm can get kicked out? Pathetic




Here we go again... How crafty this little shit is. Picking fights with everyone only to then be able to play the victim. Sorry, it doesn't wash. We remember his shouting down of Anthony when Ant was trying to be reasonable, and we remember his disgusting behaviour towards Orla when she was making him something, and we remember his pointing of the finger repeatedly in Roberto's chest, and we remember the throwing of the water at Kemal.


Not crafty at all. I haven't seen Science picking fights. Yesterday after everyone moaned about the mince, he even put some back. What did Craig do? Come barging in slamming things around. Anthony chimed in 'You eat too much' and fireworks.


The fight in the Garden with Orlaith Science doing the rhyme. Orlaith: Shut up Science! Fireworks.



Science fans are almost as unreasonable as he is, it seems.[/quote]

There are perfectly intelligent people who are Science fans who can see what is actually happening in the house they don't make things up to suit their agenda.

The thing that Science is most guilty of to date is taking the bait and allowing others to wind him up. All the hms know, including Orlaith, how to wind it up and they do it deliberately. Eugene last night claimed they only have to keep winding up till Friday and Kemal and Orlaith both admitted they wind him up. Isn't that isolating someone and bullying them then? Or is that only blondes and brunettes allowed to be bullied

Well said, she has double standards, its OK to bully Orla but not Science.

Melanie20, Science has been winding them all up for weeks, why shouldn't they get some of their own back.

I dont think playing a prank is bullying and if you read my post you would see that I said if Orlaith was distressed in anyway then I would say something.

Hiding someones makeup is not bullying! I don't care if you think I have 'double standards' my point is, nobody makes a fuss when anything like this happens to Science. NOT that is right to bully someone so get off your high horse.

Surely proof of your double standards! Its not okay for Science wind anyone up (not that I am saying he has) but it's okay for people wind him up for revenge purposes

i'm quite happy on my high horse to avoid coming down to your despicable level
ya git me