If some of the posts on here are to be believed Makosi will escape being nominated this week.

In the contents of this being a gameshow I will find this amazing. I mean they have clearly been told that the GBP were voting for who they want out and further that the 2 with the most votes were Vanessa and Makosi. To reinforce that they have heard the booing, plus the cheers for the other HMs.

Now given this is a game surely the thing to do is nominate Makosi. Regardless of whether they like her or not. We all now the public can change opinion, one only has to look at Max and Saskia but with such categoric evidence it is unlikely she could turn things around so quickly. Keep her in and she may.

It is so interesting that they focus on Science who must be a nightmare to live with, I grant you. However this guy has not only survived an eviction agaisnt a person they thought very popular, but he was roundly cheered on Friday.

It will be interesting to see how Derek votes. For someone supposedly so intelligent and playing a very manipulative game with his comments and stirring. He has not yet nominated tactically.

I suppose they all seem to nominate with their hearts not their heads.

Please note this is a post of my thoughts about strategy. It is not an anti Makosi post.

Perhaps they are being strategic but in a different way than you suggest. By nominating those they perceive to be popular with the GBP, they may reason that they are forcing the GBP to choose to evict one of their favourites. That way they will be left in the house with HMs less popular than themsleves in the run up to the final weeks.

Excellent point.I hadn't really thought in those terms. My only concern there would be the fickle nature of the public. It might be taking a chance to assume that she is unpopular in 3 weeks.

Good points, I'd started to mull this over on another thread about the suggested results of nominations this week.

I also asked if there's a list anywhere of who the housemates have nominated week on week? does anyone know please?

I think Derek is very clever but i don't like him. He manipulates people to vote for other HM to nominate manly Oralith and Science this week yet he always votes for other people and not the ones he trys to get the other HM to vote for. I don't think Makosi has been playing a game she told a few lies to Kemal and he has made the whole Makosi thing what it is.
Kemal is playing a game he is trying to be Nadia to win.

go to channels 4 site and click on nominations then on history

If the housemates were strategic thinkers, wouldn't they have leapt at the opportunity to kick out Makosi, who they might see as a possible contender, rather than Vanessa, who they surely can't possibly have considered a contender?

Bob

Good point. Although given the extreme circumstances under which they were voting it may have dimmed their strategic thougths (if they have any at all)

I think alot of this years HM's do in the end nominate the two they have the biggest problem with at the time, as opposed to voting strategically. The only time I've really seen strategic nominating was when Max and Anthony both nominated Sam, even though there were other HM's they had bigger problems with!

Yes, there's a full history of nominations on the BB site

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/n...s_history.html

I concur - but being sharp in the brain department is not a pre-requisite for entering the BB house

Absolutely right. If it was of course we would not have had some of the best ever BB moments.

Spot on - again

I dont see how they can focus on Science?
Each has two nominates, and can't nominate the same person twice.
Surely the good strategy is vote someone you perceive as strong and weak.

Perhaps try to get as many people up as possible, so if you find yourself up you've maximised the possibility of yourself not going. Though this could be a risk, as your lowering the number of nominations needed to be up for eviction.

I don't see how that stacks up. He can't be clever and then not vote for the same people as those he's 'manipulating'; or he just isn't doing what you think he is doing. Personally I don't think Derek connects his conversations with how others nominate, because as you say, it doesn't carry through into his own voting and he's too clever to have devised a strategy which he then undermines.

You should enter the House next year. you are an excellent strategist. I'd vote for you

you can't vote him/her in so you must you'd vote him/her out!

he he I did mean vote for them to win once they were in, but wasn't very clear. Sorry

Cheers, Its a him btw

The minute Anthony said Vanessa, she was out. You could see the cogs turning and probably thought he couldn't vote Makosi out after the poolcapades - not the done thing! Craig was always going to vote the same way as Anthony. Eugene and Orlaith were going to vote for Vanessa out of loyalty to Makosi for bringing them into the house. Face to face, Derek was going to say Vanessa and Science wouldn't vote out his Moloko so it just left Kemal to fall on his sword in a bit of a fruitless gesture.

Another thing - and it's Eugene that made me think of this with his comments about Science. Haven't the housemates realised that what they consider throwaway comments can hang around for ever and seriously alter their standing with the voters. I mean, some comments from 2 and 3 years ago are still being debated!

I would disagree. I think he influences them to vote for particular HM's then votes differently so that BB cannot accuse him of influencing votes.

thank you both mooniemuk and Ski Bunny for the link