Firstly I'm not a psychologist, I am a Behavioural Observationist

One of the things I love about being a poster is that I can post as me (or relatively close to it) OK here's the thing. There's two different levels of observing BB hm's. Actually three.
1. Observation of in-house behaviour at the immediate moment. Factoring in body-language, tone of voice etc.
2. Looking beyond the current behaviour to what has possibly occurred before their time in the house for possible causes/explanations of their current actions.
3. Looking at it leaving the textbooks on the shelf.

What I would say if I was doing 1 & 2 would sometimes be very different than what I say when I am doing 3.

Who's locked Science in the Loft? (and is it in the context of him being a 'bad dog'?)

Back more to the topic. I had really high hopes for Eugene to become a cult hero figure when he first entered the house, but unfortunately feel very let down

Science became a cult hero with BB fans by being the outsider of the group, the one all the others pick on. From the cheers he got last Friday he'll know that he doesn't have to change a thing. Just carry on being himself.

A shame that Eugene has chosen to join the pack rather than continue as a somewhat isolated eccentric merely tolerated by the others. It'll make his time in the house easier but won't win him many new fans.

BB called Kemal and Science into the DR and when they came out he was sent to the Loft in the context of being a bad boy. Yes I also had extremely high hopes for Eugene and feel very, very let down.

doing 2 is flawed to some degree surly as the context is biased by the producers choice of camera and scene.

I sometimes wonder if one could do a highlights show on a single incident. One would show the scene edited to make a person look bad/good. then show the scene again with different editing and maybe some added context and make it appear totally different, and then maybe a third way with an entirely different bias. It wouldn't necessarily prove anything but it might be an interesting discussion point as to how much weight one should or must give to perceived context.

( just my amateur opinion )

But if someone really annoyed a Behahoural Observationist is it possible they would concentrate on the more negative sides of their behavior.....In a similar way we amateurs on this very forum refuse to achnowledge the slightest redeeming feature in someone when our ire is up....just done in a more professional way (again no criticism...I;m going on a very general point here)...

What I was referring to was looking at certain mannerisms which usually indicate certain things about someone's history. Did you ever hear of Pavlov's dogs? If not then think about a child who has been beaten a lot so if someone raises their hand to wave the child flinches because they think they're about to be hit. If you know what you're looking for you see many things in HM's behaviour which quite often can tell you a lot about why they act in the way they do.

Your other idea is quite interesting. That is why I always say that if you really want to 'do' BB you have to watch the live feed.

Ah...like that Guardian add from years ogo when the same scene was shown in three different ways from entirely different angles....one showed a youth attacking someone, another revealed him to be saving the guy from falling building materials....

There are possibly people who would do that. I bend over backwards to be certain I don't do that. Sometimes I might make jokes that I'm breaking in the house to slap Craig etc.etc. but I would NEVER write that in a column where I am supposed to be putting forth a considered opinion. And no people don't annoy you to the stage where you lose objectivity - at least not me. Like I said, 1 & 2 are for the column, 3 is for posting

could you explain why?

I remeber a saying about extraordinary people in ordinary situations and ordinary people in extraordinary situations. To some extent BB has become 'ordinary' with producers struggling to find more extreeme tv worthy tasks and twists. Eugene seems like some geeks i know regardless or maybe because of any classification people may attribute to him.

With television and the multicultural multisocial nature of britian surely it becomes much harder to find individuals that 'stand' out and its only by putting diametrically oposed people in a confined space that differences are highlighted.

Another thought ( sorry ideas tend to pop into my head while i type ) is that in the original BB when nobody knew what to expect people treated big brother as a gameshow, increasingly it seems to be percieved rather as a life experience or as a road to celebrety and reminds me of lord of the flies more than big brother. In that light i suspect you would be hard pressed to find anyone that came out of the house without at some point 'letting people down'. power corrupts, BB debases.

Anyways its all good tv

It was a general point Jenni, no disrespect to you intended Off back to work now so I'll leave you in peace....*doffs cap....exit with flourish*

My best friend of 10 years i met at university, shes a clinical psychiatrist and we used to discuss cognitive development a lot, I'm a computer programmer and so often try to model , work with and or influence human behaviour.

People watching is fun mostly of all because it teaches me about myself, and with big brother its all perfectly legal

but now i think its time to stop hassling the celebrity DS member and get back to BB.

Thank you Jenni.

Eugene suggesting its Science's strategy to argue with Derek to cause fractions in the rest of the housemates.

I tend to quite often have a soft spot for the underdog. I also found his geekiness endearing. I thought that it would be nice to see a fresh, clear presence. I thought he could be a geeky version of Cameron and we would see the decent boy sneak through the net.

I met a couple in Dublin at the weekend - she watches every moment possible of all the series and is obsessed. He watched the first one and has never watched another moment. His logic is that it has become bastar*ized by wannabees. Is he right? It was never going to be the same after the first one. So it's different - is it worse or better........

I can't stand him. But I always have. He constantly talks about himself and never listens to anyone else.

The only people who actually listen to him without sneering
are Ant and Science - and look the way he's joined in the mobbing of Science.

Weak, boring, self centred,two faced and dangerous.

I actually had to stop watching the live feed today because I felt physically sick that grown men could act in this way towards another person.

Phew!!!

Please don't call me a celebrity it gives me the creeps

Well thankfully I hadn't eaten lunch yet so I have been able to witness a barney between Makosi and Derek which could be the biggest fight I've seen in the series so far! It got so bad that we kept getting silent shots of bare walls and the DR door.......

now see if you dont put a question mark i dont know if its a rhetorical question or not


Its different, it used to be like a book or a film where a plot unfolded and you got to know the characters and knew they werent flat made up charatcers from the head of a script writer, these days its closer to gladiator combat and cock fighting with characterizaions in the media having more bias on voting that the live show.

It still has interest from a people watching point of view and its still populare tv.

I STILL think this year BB should offer the voters the option in the last week of voting for "none of the above" since at the moment i dont think any of them deserve the money as a prize for being good housemates.

better or worse? worse. But then maybe thats just because i'm getting older and missremembering the good old days.

Going back to watch it right now. Thanks Jenni. Hope Makosi wins this one

I also said I felt let down by Eugene, and the reason for it, is that I had perceived him as someone who would be both experienced and happy to stand alone, speak his true mind, be fair, impartial and objective, and not fall in with mob mentality - unfortunately I don't think he's managed to do that, and that's why I feel let down by him

If what I've read about the live feed showings is accurate (I don't see it) then I also judge him to have been unneccesarily unkind, and in a way which shows him in a bad light

It seems to be finished but (for as much of it as we were allowed to hear) she aced it and whipped the rug out from under Derek in a spectacular fan - and no I am not a big MyTeaCozy fan but you have to give credit where credit is due. Science is going to be the fall of Derek if he's not careful.

Maybe its a twist on the old power corrupts maxim, in such a small house, knowing they are on tv, and knowing they can nominate people for eviction maybe even a kind person would turn nasty on BB this year. Paradoxically the same people at times feel powerless as they are prisoners and cannot just walk away, so maybe the lack of power corrupts also.

Now I know he's nerdy but introducing mathematics is a step too far.....

Sorry if this has been said before - but I think Craig is also suffering from this syndrome too.

I would tend to agree with that. I think Craig is also possibly 'suffering' from being in love and having the object of his affection being within his grasp - possibly also not the norm in the outside world