yep I agree, as to just how concious it is in terms of artificiality I'm not sure.
Analysis of Craig - not schizophrenic
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Originally Posted by quizbuff2000:
“Gawd, everyone's got a flawed personality, including me and you - it's called being human.”
“Gawd, everyone's got a flawed personality, including me and you - it's called being human.”
Yep, we certainly do and I was just pointing out his, hence the beauty of BB and this discussion board.
Originally Posted by TheDirector:
“Yep, we certainly do and I was just pointing out his, hence the beauty of BB and this discussion board.”
“Yep, we certainly do and I was just pointing out his, hence the beauty of BB and this discussion board.”
It does beg one question: why did you feel a specific inclination to give Craig's 'flaws' such unique attention?
Originally Posted by quizbuff2000:
“It does beg one question: why did you feel a specific inclination to give Craig's 'flaws' such unique attention?”
“It does beg one question: why did you feel a specific inclination to give Craig's 'flaws' such unique attention?”
Well because of his strange and outragious behaviour lol. Its a good talking point, hence why there are so many threads on this. Plus it was a sort of response to several comments recently that question whether Craig has a mental illness.
And its only unique int he sense that this thread is dedicated to Craig just as many threads are dedicated to analysing the behaviour of specific H/Ms. here in lies the answer to the question.
Originally Posted by TheDirector:
“I believe that Craig is not suffering from schizophrenia. His actions are not the result of chemical inbalance, but a reflection of his personality - he is enormously self-obsessed, which coupled with his disregard for others, and propensity to lie and deceive in order to attain his goals, makes him a sort of industrial psychopath. Except that he is not the latter, because he demonstrates clear emotion and is primitive in his ability to manipulate. He has a poor understanding of social rules, hence why he continually makes transparent comments that we as viewers read accurately and as a result feel embarrassed and / or angered.
His comments always seem constructed and linked to some covert desire. His crying on the highlights show was simply a desperate attempt to resolve a conflict situation with Anthony, which was born out of his own jealousy and desire to gather group support (including that of his main objective - Anthony) to help prevent the realisation of the illusory threat of Eugene. His criticisms and assessment of Eugene was cleary contrived and inaccurate, which Anthony highlighted - "you can never back up your points".
His tears were perhaps genuine in that they stemmed from jealousy of Eugene, rejection from Anthony and the clear loss of his original objective - to generate support against his threat. Combined with this was the learnt and conditioned stimulus of exaggerated desperation and tears in order to receive compassion from Anthony. This worked, which unfortunately will reinforce the cognitive link he has between stimulus and response, thus perpetuating Craig's propensity to break down.
Anthony should not have backed down (though one cannot blame him for doing so), as this would have been more productive for Craig and those that encounter him.
Craig is not schizophrenic, but has a flawed personality compared to what we consider normal. Perhaps some would consider it a personality disorder. In primitive terms, Craig is simply an immature, socially inept, extremely jealous, insecure egocentric who lacks empathy for others, is almost blind to the transparency of his own words, the ability of others to read them and the meaning produced by other people's actions and words (hence ‘socially inept’). He does demonstrate some scope to understand social signals, but is suffocated by his own obsessions and desires. His breakdowns are a complex mixture of cognitive deficits and learned behaviours that do not match that of the stable normative human being, hence he is prone to throwing tantrums.
In summary, he is not mad, just a prat who is handicapped by his own extreme selfishness ('prat' being used here to sum up the many features of human personality that hinder effective interaction and repel others).”
“I believe that Craig is not suffering from schizophrenia. His actions are not the result of chemical inbalance, but a reflection of his personality - he is enormously self-obsessed, which coupled with his disregard for others, and propensity to lie and deceive in order to attain his goals, makes him a sort of industrial psychopath. Except that he is not the latter, because he demonstrates clear emotion and is primitive in his ability to manipulate. He has a poor understanding of social rules, hence why he continually makes transparent comments that we as viewers read accurately and as a result feel embarrassed and / or angered.
His comments always seem constructed and linked to some covert desire. His crying on the highlights show was simply a desperate attempt to resolve a conflict situation with Anthony, which was born out of his own jealousy and desire to gather group support (including that of his main objective - Anthony) to help prevent the realisation of the illusory threat of Eugene. His criticisms and assessment of Eugene was cleary contrived and inaccurate, which Anthony highlighted - "you can never back up your points".
His tears were perhaps genuine in that they stemmed from jealousy of Eugene, rejection from Anthony and the clear loss of his original objective - to generate support against his threat. Combined with this was the learnt and conditioned stimulus of exaggerated desperation and tears in order to receive compassion from Anthony. This worked, which unfortunately will reinforce the cognitive link he has between stimulus and response, thus perpetuating Craig's propensity to break down.
Anthony should not have backed down (though one cannot blame him for doing so), as this would have been more productive for Craig and those that encounter him.
Craig is not schizophrenic, but has a flawed personality compared to what we consider normal. Perhaps some would consider it a personality disorder. In primitive terms, Craig is simply an immature, socially inept, extremely jealous, insecure egocentric who lacks empathy for others, is almost blind to the transparency of his own words, the ability of others to read them and the meaning produced by other people's actions and words (hence ‘socially inept’). He does demonstrate some scope to understand social signals, but is suffocated by his own obsessions and desires. His breakdowns are a complex mixture of cognitive deficits and learned behaviours that do not match that of the stable normative human being, hence he is prone to throwing tantrums.
In summary, he is not mad, just a prat who is handicapped by his own extreme selfishness ('prat' being used here to sum up the many features of human personality that hinder effective interaction and repel others).”
Excellent post and nice to get another perspective on Craig.
Originally Posted by quizbuff2000:
“Gawd, everyone's got a flawed personality, including me and you - it's called being human.”
“Gawd, everyone's got a flawed personality, including me and you - it's called being human.”
Well there is flawed and there is flawed. Normally a personhas a level of empathy where they know when to stop, they know the boundaries. Someone who doesnt understand or appreciate boundaries has some quite major 'flaws' that need to be resolved. Of course you could argue Makosi has flaws, but they are not to the point where she lacks empathy or becomes completely spiteful. BItching about people is very different than finding their achilles heel and then attacking it.
As already pointed out Craig is sucking the life out of Anthonys kindness, he has realised his weak spots and attacks them in a very underhand way.
It's so nice that all of you can come up with excuses for cranky Craigs behaviour.
Maybe he's just a very unpleasant, manipulative person who feeds off those that are not as nasty, vindictive and manipulative as himself to validate his own existence.
Maybe he's just a very unpleasant, manipulative person who feeds off those that are not as nasty, vindictive and manipulative as himself to validate his own existence.
Originally Posted by lunchedoutlulu:
“It's so nice that all of you can come up with excuses for cranky Craigs behaviour.
Maybe he's just a very unpleasant, manipulative person who feeds off those that are not as nasty, vindictive and manipulative as himself to validate his own existence.”
“It's so nice that all of you can come up with excuses for cranky Craigs behaviour.
Maybe he's just a very unpleasant, manipulative person who feeds off those that are not as nasty, vindictive and manipulative as himself to validate his own existence.”
I wholeheartadly agree with 'unpleasant and manipulative'
Maybe he was the one being manipulated. I never really understood why Anthony had to state he had never known someone like Craig before (gay) or why, when Derek had said on many occasions that he believed Anthony to be gay but when Anthony asked him why he had said it, Derek backed down and denied it. Derek did not appear to be one who would not stand by his word.
Also if Anthony felt Craig was being too clingy why did he not try harder when Maxwell left, to get closer to the other housemates. I think Anthony 'shadowed' the ones who could give him a free ride to the final weeks. Anthony appeared to want/need to be friends with Craig. So I believe Anthony was the one being 'unpleasent and manipulative' and Craig the one put under pressure
Also if Anthony felt Craig was being too clingy why did he not try harder when Maxwell left, to get closer to the other housemates. I think Anthony 'shadowed' the ones who could give him a free ride to the final weeks. Anthony appeared to want/need to be friends with Craig. So I believe Anthony was the one being 'unpleasent and manipulative' and Craig the one put under pressure
To be fair, every time Anthony tried to distance himself from Craig, Craig caused an almighty scene. 
Of course Derek backed down, idle gossip behind someone's back without any real proof.
Of course Derek backed down, idle gossip behind someone's back without any real proof.
Dress up it up how you like. We all know in our hearts what is really going on. Craig Coates is the Son of Satan. Who can forget Nostradamus's famous prophecy 'and an Anti-christ shall rise in the East', backed up in Relevations, no less...
Anti-Christ rising in the East? Yes, East bloody Anglia
The popularity of Craig Coates on this forum is a sign of the coming Apocalypse, That of course, and the fact that Chico got in the charts
Anti-Christ rising in the East? Yes, East bloody Anglia
The popularity of Craig Coates on this forum is a sign of the coming Apocalypse,
That of course, and the fact that Chico got in the charts
Quote:
“People with BPD may not feel like they know who they are, or what they think, or what their opinions are, or what religion they should be. Instead, they may try to be what they think other people want them to be. Someone with BPD said, "I have a hard time figuring out my personality. I tend to be whomever I'm with.".....
Splitting: the self and others are viewed as "all good" or "all bad." Someone with BPD said, "One day I would think my doctor was the best and I loved her, but if she challenged me in any way I hated her. There was no middle ground as in like. In my world, people were either the best or the worst. I couldn't understand the concept of middle ground."
Alternating clinging and distancing behaviors (I Hate You, Don't Leave Me). Sometimes you want to be close to someone. But when you get close it feels TOO close and you feel like you have to get some space. This happens often.
Great difficulty trusting people and themselves. Early trust may have been shattered by people who were close to you.
Sensitivity to criticism or rejection.
Feeling of "needing" someone else to survive
Heavy need for affection and reassurance
source http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/bpd.html”
“People with BPD may not feel like they know who they are, or what they think, or what their opinions are, or what religion they should be. Instead, they may try to be what they think other people want them to be. Someone with BPD said, "I have a hard time figuring out my personality. I tend to be whomever I'm with.".....
Splitting: the self and others are viewed as "all good" or "all bad." Someone with BPD said, "One day I would think my doctor was the best and I loved her, but if she challenged me in any way I hated her. There was no middle ground as in like. In my world, people were either the best or the worst. I couldn't understand the concept of middle ground."
Alternating clinging and distancing behaviors (I Hate You, Don't Leave Me). Sometimes you want to be close to someone. But when you get close it feels TOO close and you feel like you have to get some space. This happens often.
Great difficulty trusting people and themselves. Early trust may have been shattered by people who were close to you.
Sensitivity to criticism or rejection.
Feeling of "needing" someone else to survive
Heavy need for affection and reassurance
source http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/bpd.html”
OMG.It's just struck me how well that description would fit Jodie marsh too.
Originally Posted by Mr_Frisky:
“Dress up it up how you like. We all know in our hearts what is really going on. Craig Coates is the Son of Satan. Who can forget Nostradamus's famous prophecy 'and an Anti-christ shall rise in the East', backed up in Relevations, no less...
Anti-Christ rising in the East? Yes, East bloody Anglia
The popularity of Craig Coates on this forum is a sign of the coming Apocalypse, That of course, and the fact that Chico got in the charts ”
“Dress up it up how you like. We all know in our hearts what is really going on. Craig Coates is the Son of Satan. Who can forget Nostradamus's famous prophecy 'and an Anti-christ shall rise in the East', backed up in Relevations, no less...
Anti-Christ rising in the East? Yes, East bloody Anglia
The popularity of Craig Coates on this forum is a sign of the coming Apocalypse,
That of course, and the fact that Chico got in the charts ”
Apocalypse? Time to take the pills Frisky.
(Agree with you on the Chico front btw
How? and indeed why 
)
Originally Posted by ftw774:
“Apocalypse? Time to take the pills Frisky.
(Agree with you on the Chico front btw How? and indeed why )”
“Apocalypse? Time to take the pills Frisky.
(Agree with you on the Chico front btw
How? and indeed why )”
As Richard Ashcroft of The Verve once said 'the drugs don't work, they only make it worse'
I am a soothsayer, luckily without a lisp
Chico, the height of bad taste, especially when he did a Michael Jackson song whilst dancing with a small boy. I was gobsmacked.
Originally Posted by Mr_Frisky:
“As Richard Ashcroft of The Verve once said 'the drugs don't work, they only make it worse'
I am a soothsayer, luckily without a lisp
Chico, the height of bad taste, especially when he did a Michael Jackson song whilst dancing with a small boy. I was gobsmacked.”
“As Richard Ashcroft of The Verve once said 'the drugs don't work, they only make it worse'
I am a soothsayer, luckily without a lisp
Chico, the height of bad taste, especially when he did a Michael Jackson song whilst dancing with a small boy. I was gobsmacked.”
Thankfully I missed that, but I remember him from the auditions, and thought he was bloody awful. A BB contestant has got more talent.
And I am a Goddess, also with a lisp.
Originally Posted by ftw774:
“Thankfully I missed that, but I remember him from the auditions, and thought he was bloody awful. A BB contestant has got more talent.
And I am a Goddess, also with a lisp.”
“Thankfully I missed that, but I remember him from the auditions, and thought he was bloody awful. A BB contestant has got more talent.
And I am a Goddess, also with a lisp.
”
Someone cruelly sent me a photo doing the rounds of Chico being 'rewarded' by a young lady whilst he was a male stripper. He should stick to male stripping, he has a, ahem, large talent in that direction. Shame though he's a minger
Originally Posted by Mr_Frisky:
“Dress up it up how you like. We all know in our hearts what is really going on. Craig Coates is the Son of Satan. Who can forget Nostradamus's famous prophecy 'and an Anti-christ shall rise in the East', backed up in Relevations, no less...
Anti-Christ rising in the East? Yes, East bloody Anglia
The popularity of Craig Coates on this forum is a sign of the coming Apocalypse, That of course, and the fact that Chico got in the charts ”
“Dress up it up how you like. We all know in our hearts what is really going on. Craig Coates is the Son of Satan. Who can forget Nostradamus's famous prophecy 'and an Anti-christ shall rise in the East', backed up in Relevations, no less...
Anti-Christ rising in the East? Yes, East bloody Anglia
The popularity of Craig Coates on this forum is a sign of the coming Apocalypse,
That of course, and the fact that Chico got in the charts ”
You are a wise one Mr_Frisky. I bow to your wisdom
But East Anglia
*Thinks too close for comfort* 
Originally Posted by Mr_Frisky:
“Someone cruelly sent me a photo doing the rounds of Chico being 'rewarded' by a young lady whilst he was a male stripper. He should stick to male stripping, he has a, ahem, large talent in that direction. Shame though he's a minger”
“Someone cruelly sent me a photo doing the rounds of Chico being 'rewarded' by a young lady whilst he was a male stripper. He should stick to male stripping, he has a, ahem, large talent in that direction. Shame though he's a minger
”
I got that too
Could have been worse Frisky.
Originally Posted by ftw774:
“I got that too Could have been worse Frisky. ”
“I got that too
Could have been worse Frisky. ”
Ahh so that's what Sharon saw in him.
I could never work out what she was so impressed with. .Obviously I didn;t get sent the picture
Originally Posted by Susann:
“You are a wise one Mr_Frisky. I bow to your wisdom
But East Anglia *Thinks too close for comfort* ”
“You are a wise one Mr_Frisky. I bow to your wisdom
But East Anglia
*Thinks too close for comfort* ”
*Bows in gratitude*
Be not afraid, though the Followers of the Evil One are legion, we have the strength to resist all things Craigy
I'd also advise giving up anything Bernard Matthews related. Probably a Norfolk relative of Damien, ahem, I mean Craig Coates.
i found craig extremely annoying at times and he was probably the housemate who made me want to turn off the most. i dont know what condition he had but i am sure he had something!
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