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Old 14-08-2005, 10:22
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Today's music is generally 'throw away' music - typical of society in general. Many of the tracks are not original and have been copied ...

Take groups such as Queen, ELO, Status Quo, Meatloaf etc. or singers such as Cher, Madonna, Bowie, etc. They were stayers, had original music and had real talent.

Why don't we have these types of artists today .... lack of talent? Lack of interest by the fickle public? Lack of originality? Too much input by the record companies?

Or do you think the music today is great and if you think there are long-time stayers ... who are they?

Are shows like X-factor detrimental to the music industry?
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Old 14-08-2005, 14:17
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Originally Posted by tomorrow
Today's music is generally 'throw away' music - typical of society in general. Many of the tracks are not original and have been copied ...

Take groups such as Queen, ELO, Status Quo, Meatloaf etc. or singers such as Cher, Madonna, Bowie, etc. They were stayers, had original music and had real talent.

Why don't we have these types of artists today .... lack of talent? Lack of interest by the fickle public? Lack of originality? Too much input by the record companies?

Or do you think the music today is great and if you think there are long-time stayers ... who are they?

Are shows like X-factor detrimental to the music industry?

I truly believe Rowetta will be here for the long term.
She has an amazing voice and a fantastic stage presence.
Her singing is truly moving and she has so much more talent than a lot of todays manufactured artists that the record companies churn out who are just bland and lack personality,Ro has a big personality and a big voice.
Rowetta is passionate about music and it shows when she sings,she's real and really cares about her fans.She always makes time for us and that also makes her stand out from the crowd.
Ro has done covers but she makes them totally her own.
Oasis's Stop Crying Your Heart out on the Mr and Mrs Smith album is fantastic
But Ro writes her own stuff too.Look out for her single and album due out in September and you'll see what a variety of songs Rowetta has included.She can turn her voice to anything.
X Factor helped Ro get the exposure she needed and I think she was glad in the long run she didn't win it since she would have been tied to releasing an album of songs she perhaps might not have been happy with and may have all been covers (look at Steve's album)
The exposure on X factor has helped her to get her own record deal and she is really happy with both her record company and management so yes X factor has worked for Ro
Rowetta has a real and amazing talent and she has originality too,she is definatley a long-time stayer

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Old 14-08-2005, 17:31
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TBH Cathy, I could say the same thing about Steve. I believe he is a long time stayer if he gets to release his own music. The only drawback being his record company as you say churning out covers that he is not happy doing!
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Old 14-08-2005, 18:31
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Hi Deelight,
I wasn't knocking Steve,just pointing out that as winner of X Factor he has been stuck with doing what the record company wants rather than having the freedom to do his own thing.
I do hope that he does get to release his own material in the future and wish him well with any future albums
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Old 14-08-2005, 19:35
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pointless show get them to sing their own material cant judge how good someone is by practising singing a cover for two weeks under expert tuition
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Old 16-08-2005, 16:45
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The talent is out there it just doesn't get enough exposure as the industry has become so corporate.
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Old 19-08-2005, 23:24
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Originally Posted by o u 8 1 2
pointless show get them to sing their own material cant judge how good someone is by practising singing a cover for two weeks under expert tuition
Totally agree. Certainly in the latter stages when they get to sing 2 songs then they can do both a cover and an original.

Re Alanbastard's comment. The problem with the music industry is it's now too diluted. We live in a throwaway society and people are reluctant to take chances so people look for the fast buck rather longevity. Easier to have a couple of hit singles than invest in the long term and reap the benefits. People who are in a position of "power" care more about keeping their own jobs than finding the new talent - ergo go with the easy option rather than cultivating the real talent that's out there.

TV has gone exactly the same way.
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Old 20-08-2005, 00:22
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The talent is out there, it's just that only a few make the grade.

I think a lot of the time it's being in the right place at the right time.
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Old 20-08-2005, 15:29
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Originally Posted by tomorrow
Today's music is generally 'throw away' music - typical of society in general. Many of the tracks are not original and have been copied ...

Take groups such as Queen, ELO, Status Quo, Meatloaf etc. or singers such as Cher, Madonna, Bowie, etc. They were stayers, had original music and had real talent.

Why don't we have these types of artists today .... lack of talent? Lack of interest by the fickle public? Lack of originality? Too much input by the record companies?

Or do you think the music today is great and if you think there are long-time stayers ... who are they?

Are shows like X-factor detrimental to the music industry?
I love all genre's of music but have to say that there are few truly original artists out there. My one consession to this is Will Young, he has an amazing voice went on to write much of his own music and IMO he is one of the very few truly good singers to have come out of 'this type' of programme.

I don't think that shows like X factor detract in any way from the music industry, they give hope to thousands who might not otherwise have the opportunities to follow their dream. But...

I think the problem is that with programmes like X factor with the judges looking for 'the whole' package is that it is a bit of a cop out. If someone has a truly amazing voice they can often be overlooked in favour of a boy/girl band look-a-likey type, thankfully last year Steve Brookstein didn't fit this category but it's often the case.
Lloyd, one of my faves from last year went out early but who could say he didn't have a fantastic voice?! Look at Rowetta, amazing voice but deemed too excitable! Come off it she was real! Cassie, dressed, in the opinion of some, too middle aged but that girl could sing!
A true star IMO is someone who can dress in rags but still wow and audience.
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Old 20-08-2005, 15:32
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Originally Posted by tomorrow
Why don't we have these types of artists today .... lack of talent? Lack of interest by the fickle public? Lack of originality? Too much input by the record companies?
Find your local live music venue - probably a small room at the back of a pub - and go there tonight. I've seen some great totally unknown bands by doing just that.

Of course there might be some total crap, but that's the risk you take
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Old 21-08-2005, 10:00
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Originally Posted by wotnot
I think the problem is that with programmes like X factor with the judges looking for 'the whole' package is that it is a bit of a cop out. If someone has a truly amazing voice they can often be overlooked in favour of a boy/girl band look-a-likey type, ....
But are they though - looking for the 'whole package'? From what I heard Simon say at the start of the show, I understand he was looking for a really good artist, somebody who could break into the USA

In actuality last night, Louis and Sharon revealed they thought it was something different ....

Its a shame that the judges do not all seem to be following the same route ...... making the show indeed more of a joke, than for finding real singing talent
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Old 21-08-2005, 10:59
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But are they though - looking for the 'whole package'? From what I heard Simon say at the start of the show, I understand he was looking for a really good artist, somebody who could break into the USA

In actuality last night, Louis and Sharon revealed they thought it was something different ....

Its a shame that the judges do not all seem to be following the same route ...... making the show indeed more of a joke, than for finding real singing talent

I just think that it's a shame for someone to be passed over who may have real talent just because they don't look the part. I'd like to see the singers perform from behind a screen so they couldn't be seen, unrealistic I know but it would be so much fairer IMO. And can you imagine the look of shock that would have been on the judges faces when little Trevor was revealed, lol
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Old 21-08-2005, 11:10
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That would be OK if X Factor was only a singing competition, but it's about finding a recording artist and recording artists are judged on image and personality when it comes to promotion and sales.

The thing about a lot of those artists listed in the first post is that at the time people didn't know if they would last and the consensus was always that people like Madonna, George Michael, Kylie and Robbie were all flash in the pan artists too.

Only time will tell which of todays artists will last the distance, and I do think it's getting harder and harder as the intensity of celebrity is so much stronger these days, which makes it harder for people to lay the foundations of a good career before the press want to push you aside for some fresh blood.
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