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Is BigBrother inciting bad feeling with HM's?
Roebuck
16-06-2002
I ask this question to others, I have my own views, but I would like to know, if I am in a minority on this view.

So far my observations of the E4/C4 coverage has been very controvertial indeed, I have noticed that BigBrother has engineered most of the dissent within the house, including the original house meeting that Alex requested, was suggested by BigBrother, infact BigBrother has told all the housemate to talk to other HM's about their grievances.

Even the Weekly tasks have been designed to create maximum conflict, Todays mini task (composing a welcome song ) is one of the very few BigBrother decisions which have pleased me.

I am dissapointed in the BB3 Programme so far, ( I am not saying that it does not interest me ) but there are times where I feel very uncomfortable with the way in which HM's are being forced into conflict, while there is no release valve, if a HM snaps under pressure, what safeguards are in place to protect them from themselves or other HM's, This is a very popular programme, I hold the opinion that the producers are treading on very dangerous ground in inciting revolts and conflicts in such a situation.

I do NOT agree with the BigBrother bosses that this is good TV, although the viewing figures, by the pundits, have not been adversely affected, the controversy itself will generate a rubberneck crowd, not because they enjoy the programme but so that they do not miss the next argument/fight, or whinging session, back stabbing episode, there seems to be very little positive energy flowing between the HM's or through the house in general.
GeoffH
16-06-2002
Conflict is more interesting than people getting on well together.

Witness Jerry Springer and the like.
chuff
16-06-2002
I think BB couldn't believe their luck when Alex chose a rich housemate to remain rich, and leave 2 previous poor housemates where they are, knowing that would have created a lot of friction, what would have been more interesting is if a rich housemate would have won the task, would they have volunteered to go on the poor side and take their fellow rich mates with them. I think BB was hoping for that and that they would remain in the rich side with their rich mates.
elliottm
16-06-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by GeoffH
Conflict is more interesting than people getting on well together.

Witness Jerry Springer and the like.
”

and cheesy posts we have seen on the forum too.

M
Father Jack
16-06-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by GeoffH
Conflict is more interesting than people getting on well together.

Witness Jerry Springer and the like.
”

I think shows like Springer inter alia are complete and utter SHITE, and would gladly do really gross things to the people that produce it and watch it..

Though it's well acted I admit, sometimes the actors are quite believable

Jack
hates sensationalist bollox tv.
hazy4u
16-06-2002
it would have served them right if spencer and pj jumped over the fence and twatted alex
drama_girly
16-06-2002
I'd never really thought about it that way before, but yes I do think Big Brother is deliberately trying to cause problems in the house. Ok a little conflict may be fun but it wont be in a week when none of them are speaking to each other
gadfly
16-06-2002
I agree that BB3's main aim appears to have been to provoke conflict. This makes it interesting I think, although I'm not always so sure that they have chosen housemates who are sufficiently mentally resilient to see this through intact! Kate is horribly insecure, Johnny is paranoid, PJ - if the tabloids are to be believed of course - has a violent temper, Jade is plain ga-ga (although sometimes seemingly more calculated than this 'lost little girl' image C4 stuffs down our throats), and Sophie is painfully self-absorbed and lonely.

Strange production decisions ... Not always comfortable viewing. Often funny in a cruel way, rather than funny ha ha.
Father Jack
16-06-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by drama_girly
I'd never really thought about it that way before, but yes I do think Big Brother is deliberately trying to cause problems in the house. Ok a little conflict may be fun but it wont be in a week when none of them are speaking to each other ”

Couldn't have put it better myself. And that's saying something!!!

love
Jack
peppie
16-06-2002
Guess BB has seen the old experiment were the blue eyed childen in a class were told they were clever and the brown eyed told they were stupid! guess what happened!?

It will give alot of people training to be psycologists something to write their papers about!

If it was me in that position of having to choose about the divide I'd stick myself on my own in the rich side and wait to be voted out! I'd be missing the out side world too much. good luck to all the house mates! they are so brave staying in there.! think about it could you really deal with the paronoia?
dirk
16-06-2002
This topic is v.good. I have been thinking for a while now that BB is trying to start a fire ,
i think this is fine, its what ppl want to see really, even if they dont admit it to themselves.
The HM's went in thinking 'easy ticket' to stardom ..LOL

They deserve everything thay are going through ... may this fire burn bright and strong , i wanna see major kick offs - people going mad ect. The HM's deserve everything coming to them ..

They where hungry for 5 minutes of fame, and they will earn it if we are entertained in the process.
schwobble
16-06-2002
Conflict happens naturally between people, especially in contrived situations.

You don't *have* to provoke it from outside. If you do, it makes sense to do it in a controlled *and a controllable* fashion, and BB hasn't done this. All that's really come of it is that BB has lost control over the housemates.

Caving in to Spencer's demands for tobacco is an indication that the producers hadn't thought through all the implications and consequences of the divide. They just hadn't done their homework.

Look at BB1, with Nick and everyone, and the rucks between Stuart/Penny/Amma in BB2. Happens naturally.
Father Jack
16-06-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by peppie
Guess BB has seen the old experiment were the blue eyed childen in a class were told they were clever and the brown eyed told they were stupid! guess what happened!?

It will give alot of people training to be psycologists something to write their papers about!

If it was me in that position of having to choose about the divide I'd stick myself on my own in the rich side and wait to be voted out! I'd be missing the out side world too much. good luck to all the house mates! they are so brave staying in there.! think about it could you really deal with the paronoia?
”

Peppie
I'm v familiar with that particular "experiment", I'm not sure what you mean though with regard to BB? Please explain. Do you want to explain what the "experiment" (it wasn't one) was about or would you like to tell everyone?


Jack
Roebuck
17-06-2002
Channel 4 is not only alienating the housemates but the interactive viewers aswell, just last evening over 2 hours of no audio, because BB decided on a video as surprise gift to welcome the new housemate.

Has BigBrother incited Alex to break the rules, in allowing him to select 3 housemates to join him in the Rich side, surely this will indicate that he will not be nominating these 3 HM's and would also influence those selected not to vote Alex for eviction.

BigBrother rules are becoming very vague recently, a Long discussion by the Rich Housemates instructing newboy Tim in the nomination process, such when, who & why they nominate when they recieve the results of nominations, what Davina says and about the awful pause she leaves before stating the HM's up for Eviction, then the terrible anticipation on eviction night where they all wait for the news about who will be leaving.

Then the Poor side discuss "what if! we could nominate the newboy!, would'nt it be easier, cos' we don't know him?" BB enforces the discussing nominations rule, "HM's should not talk about Nominations, full stop!!"

There has been the flawed selection process that has one HM walking in less than a week, the catastrophic decision to drop all activity except when it can be shown Live on C4, this is probably the reason for Sandy's "great escape", The Boredom factor will probably account for more Walker's or Escapee's from BB3.

The HM's are still trying work around all the ammendments to the format, with the exception of newboy Tim who will possibly be the only HM that has entered the house mentally prepared for the current format, so we may see some real interesting play from him.
angel_bb3
17-06-2002
I think so!! Especially the way the BB told PJ about Jade being unable to vote - that was a bit uncalled for. BB could have least said BB will get back to you!! - Isn't that what they normally say!! - I THINK BB IS SHIT STIRRING JUST TO ATTRACT THE VIEWER!! - Long gone are the days when the "Big B" would stay neutral!!
plums
17-06-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by hazy4u
it would have served them right if spencer and pj jumped over the fence and twatted alex ”

Yeah - except PJ is a money and publicity seeking wannabe and just talks tough. Unless you're a girlfriend of course - wish I knew all the details of THAT court case, sure it'll help him in his attempts to be a lawyer that he's had experience of being in court....................
Why exactly would it be 'right' to hit Alex? If PJ or Spencer had done the same to Alex is it OK for him to hit them?

This is BB not WWF.............
dirk
17-06-2002
If anybody hits another HM they have cracked. Good Style.

I think BB is fanning the flames, waiting for somebody to crack.

PJ is a good bet from what ive seen, but when its all over, in the cold light of the real world, he'll feel like a right ****!

hehe
MustGetOutMore
17-06-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by dirk
This topic is v.good. I have been thinking for a while now that BB is trying to start a fire ,
i think this is fine, its what ppl want to see really, even if they dont admit it to themselves.
The HM's went in thinking 'easy ticket' to stardom ..LOL

They deserve everything thay are going through ... may this fire burn bright and strong , i wanna see major kick offs - people going mad ect. The HM's deserve everything coming to them ..

They where hungry for 5 minutes of fame, and they will earn it if we are entertained in the process.
”

Yep this post gets my vote for sharpness!!!
Indo
18-06-2002
Very good topic. I am wondering if the hatred get incited that much more that people leave, then what will BB do? They can't keep bring in replacements at later stages. It would be unfair.
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