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Old 17-06-2002, 23:14
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Kate has mentioned this several times, the earliest being on Saturday night, when she realised the only loo was the open air one.
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Old 17-06-2002, 23:31
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The Kate fancying Tim topic - she was looking very adoringly at him in the clips shown on C4 tonight. But her history has been to be around and go out with well off men so that seems no surprise.
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Old 18-06-2002, 00:16
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OK she may be shallow - but she does have a real cute smile

.. I know I know.. just another stupid bloke falling for the usual tricks!!!!
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Old 18-06-2002, 00:18
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I don't want Kate to win, but have to admit she is the best looking female in the house.
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Old 18-06-2002, 00:37
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Originally posted by Indo
I don't want Kate to win, but have to admit she is the best looking female in the house.
And Alex is the best looking male. So what's your point?
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Old 18-06-2002, 00:39
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Originally posted by MelBB1
And Alex is the best looking male. So what's your point?
Yes, I too was wondering what young Indo was trying to say?

Thanks on behalf of a curious nation.


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lets hope he answers...
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Old 18-06-2002, 00:50
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Originally posted by timo_w2s


And what great TV that would make!
Alex is better looking than Spencer. Fact.
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Old 18-06-2002, 04:59
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Originally posted by MelBB1
And Alex is the best looking male. So what's your point?
He probably is. I mentioned Kate as best female because I can't see how people see Adele and Sophie to be more attractive than Kate. Different tastes I guess.
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Old 18-06-2002, 11:39
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He probably is. I mentioned Kate as best female because I can't see how people see Adele and Sophie to be more attractive than Kate. Different tastes I guess.
Too right - there is no right ,wrong, fact,truth etc about it. Its all down to personal taste and opinion.
And in my opinion - according to my taste - Adelle floats my boat both in looks and character.
Kate comes second as I find her less physically attractive but I like her childlike innocence and
enthusiasm. Ok she can scheme like anyone else but basically I think she's a pretty open and trusting person in a claustophobic environment.
Alex scrubs up well and Spencer has 'boyish charm' but he has the boyish immaturity to go with it !
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Old 18-06-2002, 14:46
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Originally posted by SugarHiccup
[Kate is not beautiful she's very attractive which is better as beauty fades. Look how Cordelia got nicer as she got older but she doesn't look as good, imho I can see Kate being way-cool when she's older.

Putting aside the question if Kate's attractive or not, she's not cool at all.

Being cool means two things.

1. Having a self-defining sense of style (it doesn' t matter what style, just that the person chooses it with some self-reflection); and

2. Welcoming others who have their own style (in other words, celebrating difference, not demeaning it).

Kate doesn't have a cool bone in her body; she's completely a clique creature; she amplifies group attitudes, but never transforms them.

As folks have pointed out, she's got low self-esteem issues. Her entire dress and interaction style is directed to please men (as Davina said, Kate's a bird). For instance, after moping for days, a new guy arrives, and she's all sweetness and light. She has no solidarity with women, except when they can affirm her attractiveness to men.

If Kate were actually cool, she would've appreciated Alex and Sandy, who are more cool. Instead, she felt instinctively threatened by them, since they don't play by her club rules.

If Kate were cool, she wouldn't spend time with PJ. (Think of the old Specials song: If you have a racist friend, it's time for that friendship to end; while PJ hasn't been racist, he's been just about everything else.)

With this rich/poor divide (and the recent nominations) we have two different visions of the show's last few weeks. What can the "poor" side offer - plans to sleep as much as possible and stay up late complaining. Cool? no way?

The real fault here, though, is not with Kate, but the producers of BB, who lack coolness. The show is great when individuals are challenged to grow through change. When Helen said that she'd learned so much, we believed her; the BB experience opened up new worlds to her. This year's BB encourages the HMs to remain immature, since the producers think that sensation and sex is cool - not!

What will Kate, PJ, Spencer learn? Nothing, apparently. That's why viewers complain about wannabees. It's not that we see people who want to be recognized; it's that we see people who want to be famous without doing the interpersonal "work" to get there.

It's ok to have attitude, if you've earned it; whimpering the day away just doesn't do it.

And, that's what made the Cordelia character become interesting. She learned to love being different - to recognize the so-called monsters as the ones with real humanity (cf. Angel).
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Old 18-06-2002, 15:19
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As for Kate looking adoringly at Tim on E4 last night...have you seen Tim's girlfriend?! What a fox!!!!
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Old 18-06-2002, 16:54
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Has everyone seen this?

http://members.fortunecity.com/bb3uk...er01060202.jpg

She should stick to melodramatic acting on BB3 cuz she's a crap model.
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Old 18-06-2002, 16:58
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I can't believe that none of you mentioned her goofy teeth!

She mings
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Old 19-06-2002, 09:24
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Ah yes, the definition of "cool" that mothers give to their geeky children. It doesn't apply in the real world
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Old 21-06-2002, 01:45
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During the first couple of days of Big Brother Kate spent the entire time changing and waggling her thong-clad arse into the camera. That is all she has to offer. She has the persona of a child, the manners of a child, and the debating skills of a thug.
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Old 21-06-2002, 02:20
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Putting aside the question if Kate's attractive or not, she's not cool at all.

Being cool means two things.

1. Having a self-defining sense of style (it doesn' t matter what style, just that the person chooses it with some self-reflection); and

2. Welcoming others who have their own style (in other words, celebrating difference, not demeaning it).

-snip-
A good argument. Personnally I like Kate as she's funny, clever enough to hold a decent conversation, and caring enough to want the best for others...I'd like her to win as I'm hoping we could have a female winner at some point, and out of the current housemates, she's the only female I'd like enough to want to win.

I'd have never thought of her as cool though...is anyone in the house this year? Spencer is perhaps the closest based on your definitions. My own definition of cool would include:

3. a self confidence which doesn't rely on confirmation from others. (not related to style)

4. intelligence to recognise motivations, including their own and then to be able to _choose_ to act on them or not based on rational reasoned criteria (which they would usually keep to them selves)..i.e. intellect over emotion for me is a key aspect of cool. Best if this isn't apparent from the outside though which only the mega-cool can manage.

5. respecting others while not condoning stupidity.

I could probably express what I mean by the extra points better but its late, I'm tired and I need sleep...

6. ability to drink 2 pan galactic gargle blasters and still drive a hover speeder with one arm out the window, one arm behind your head, and only one to hold the wheel...
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Old 21-06-2002, 10:27
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Originally posted by Adam_BB3
I would like to know why Kate is so unpopular, I myself really like her, why doesn't many other people ? she seems very genuine to me.
I've heard other people say it and I know it's true of me that it's not so much Kate herself as what she respresents that gets to people.

She's a very pretty girl, comfortable in the presence of boys - a sexy tomboy.

Back in ye olde days of school the Kates of this world were Miss Popular, in a small enviroment being pretty and popular made them stand out and they'd have their own little clique of the 5% of the population blessed with looks! Very much a big fish because she's in a small pond. I think the other 95% of her still resent her for it lol!
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Old 21-06-2002, 10:38
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During the first couple of days of Big Brother Kate spent the entire time changing and waggling her thong-clad arse into the camera. That is all she has to offer. She has the persona of a child, the manners of a child, and the debating skills of a thug.
You're right there...'during the first couple of days' ......haven't seen her doing it recently, you're probably just jealous.
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