[crowfield99]

From the 02 Website, http://www.o2.co.uk/help/070_numbers/0,,500,00.html

Please be aware that from 17 August, you will no longer be able to dial the 070* ranges below from the O2 network. These ranges have a number of services associated with them including illegitimate premium rate lines which seek to exploit and unfairly charge customers.

In order to combat this, we have had no choice but to remove them from the network, and you will now hear an unobtainable tone if you try to ring them. O2 UK apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause you.

The number ranges effected are:

070968
070408
070084
070798
070150
070417
070695
070896
070802
070690
070492
070702

Maybe this was a good idea, what do you guys think?

[Best seller]

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowfield99

From the 02 Website, http://www.o2.co.uk/help/070_numbers/0,,500,00.html

Please be aware that from 17 August, you will no longer be able to dial the 070* ranges below from the O2 network. These ranges have a number of services associated with them including illegitimate premium rate lines which seek to exploit and unfairly charge customers.

In order to combat this, we have had no choice but to remove them from the network, and you will now hear an unobtainable tone if you try to ring them. O2 UK apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause you.

The number ranges effected are:

070968
070408
070084
070798
070150
070417
070695
070896
070802
070690
070492
070702

Maybe this was a good idea, what do you guys think?

Very good idea,every network and phone company should do this,stop the theiving companies

[mattworld]

While I completely disagree with "premium rate lines which seek to exploit and unfairly charge customers" I don't really think this is a good idea, sometimes these numbers have a legit (but expensive for the caller)use, 'follow me' type numbers for example.

Personnaly I'm capable of choosing what numbers I dial. I would like to be able to make the choice of if I called them or not & take responsability for the call charges (after all, its not as if the number dialed itself, I chose to dial it in some way or other) rather than have a network dictate what number I can actually dial.

O2 must have had loads of complaints about these numbers form people who are incapable of either finding out the potential costs of their calls or resisting calling random numbers they are made aware of or both.

I suspect many of these people don't want to take responsability & refuse to pay or don't wan't to pay for them & expect O2 to refund the cost of the calls as a 'good will' gesture or something (I doubt O2 would do this unless it saved them money somewhere).

To be fair though, if O2 (and the rest of the networks) better published their charges for such numbers there might not be as much of a problem.

[Best seller]

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Originally Posted by mattworld

While I completely disagree with "premium rate lines which seek to exploit and unfairly charge customers" I don't really think this is a good idea, sometimes these numbers have a legit (but expensive for the caller)use, 'follow me' type numbers for example.

Personnaly I'm capable of choosing what numbers I dial. I would like to be able to make the choice of if I called them or not & take responsability for the call charges (after all, its not as if the number dialed itself, I chose to dial it in some way or other) rather than have a network dictate what number I can actually dial.

O2 must have had loads of complaints about these numbers form people who are incapable of either finding out the potential costs of their calls or resisting calling random numbers they are made aware of or both.

I suspect many of these people don't want to take responsability & refuse to pay or don't wan't to pay for them & expect O2 to refund the cost of the calls as a 'good will' gesture or something (I doubt O2 would do this unless it saved them money somewhere).

To be fair though, if O2 (and the rest of the networks) better published their charges for such numbers there might not be as much of a problem.

Or even better ,if there was a voice message at the start of each call,telling you how much it charges per minute,for these numbers.

[Sven945]

I always thought ALL numbers begining with 07 were mobiles, which was why they changed to 07 numbers in the first place. It just seems to show that someone comes up with a great idea (07 numbers mobiles, 01 and 02 geographical, 08 free, 09 premium rate) and then it just gets messed up.

jack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven945

I always thought ALL numbers begining with 07 were mobiles, which was why they changed to 07 numbers in the first place. It just seems to show that someone comes up with a great idea (07 numbers mobiles, 01 and 02 geographical, 08 free, 09 premium rate) and then it just gets messed up.

jack

Which is precisely the reason why O2 are removing these numbers I'd say.

[mattworld]

The codes in the 07 grouping are actually catagorised based on the 1st 3 digits...

070 numbers are classed as personal numbers and were originally designed, for example, to be used with services that allow a single number to be used to call multiple phones. I think they were using the 07 prefix before it was decided to move mobile to it. They are charged at various rates.

Numbers for Pagers begin 076

077,078 & 079 are for mobile phones

I agree it is confusing & could be done better, but I still think it should be up to me what numbers I dial, not my network.

[duckapluck]

what about 0901 numbers?? tried last night for ages and my friend tried with hers but neither of us could phone the number we wanted.

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Originally Posted by itsme25

what about 0901 numbers?? tried last night for ages and my friend tried with hers but neither of us could phone the number we wanted.

It should be possible to call 090* numbers since these are not illegitimate; they are known as being premium rate.

Maybe you and your friend have premium number barring activated - call O2 Customer Service if you want to disable this.

Caution: calls to premium rate calls can become very expensive!

Check out the call cost on the o2 site before deciding to make such a call, or indeed to remove premium rate barring at all.

http://www.o2.co.uk/premiumnumberpricing

[m419]

I think it is a disgrace that mobile networks are blocking calls to 070 numbers. Everybody is aware of the cost and what kind of number this is and there is no reason why these numbers should be barred.

Some of these 070 numbers are located in hospitals for contacting patients.

O2 actually charges a fortune for calling these numbers, calls to 07017 numbers on a landline cost about 20p per minute, Orange charges 50p per minute and o2 charges 65p per minute. NWP Spectrum payphones charge 60p per minute for calls to all numbers begining 07.

Calls to pagers aren't any cheaper either! On T-Mobile, to call a paging number and leave a message which would last for 20 seconds would cost 70p. All pager numbers now begin 076.

There is also some suggestions about 0907,0908 and 0909 numbers. These services cost £3 per minute and above and mobile networks are thinking of discontinuing service to these numbers. Orange has launched access to all premium rate services that charge no more than £1.90 per minute/call. They have also allowed access to 0844 and 0871 numbers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawson

It should be possible to call 090* numbers since these are not illegitimate; they are known as being premium rate.

Maybe you and your friend have premium number barring activated - call O2 Customer Service if you want to disable this.

Caution: calls to premium rate calls can become very expensive!

Check out the call cost on the o2 site before deciding to make such a call, or indeed to remove premium rate barring at all.

http://www.o2.co.uk/premiumnumberpricing

[kandrews8098]

Quote:

Originally Posted by m419

I think it is a disgrace that mobile networks are blocking calls to 070 numbers. Everybody is aware of the cost and what kind of number this is and there is no reason why these numbers should be barred.

I wasn't aware and no body I have speken to is aware that 070 numbers aren't just a normal mobile number and priced as such.

Quote:

Originally Posted by m419

I think it is a disgrace that mobile networks are blocking calls to 070 numbers. Everybody is aware of the cost and what kind of number this is and there is no reason why these numbers should be barred.

Mobile networks are not blocking access to all 070 numbers. O2 is only blocking access to the ones shown above because they are known to "have a number of services associated with them including illegitimate premium rate lines which seek to exploit and unfairly charge customers"

[Best seller]

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawson

Mobile networks are not blocking access to all 070 numbers. O2 is only blocking access to the ones shown above because they are known to "have a number of services associated with them including illegitimate premium rate lines which seek to exploit and unfairly charge customers"

All other networks,should follow.

[kev]

Quote:

Originally Posted by m419

I think it is a disgrace that mobile networks are blocking calls to 070 numbers. Everybody is aware of the cost and what kind of number this is and there is no reason why these numbers should be barred.

On many contracts XNet calls are free, and most people (wrongly) assume that numbers beinging 07 are mobile numbers.

For calls to 07 numbers not classed as mobiles (as far as charges go) and for all 08 and 09 numbers (as well as any other none standard numbers) the network should advise you of the charges at the start of the call.

T-Mobile inturrupt all 080 calls to advise you that they are chargeable, and it should be easily done for all other numbers - no doubt this would reduce the number of complaints from consumers as well. We should also be able to bar all calls over a certain threashold.

[flagpole]

Quote:

Originally Posted by m419

I think it is a disgrace that mobile networks are blocking calls to 070 numbers. Everybody is aware of the cost and what kind of number this is and there is no reason why these numbers should be barred.

Some of these 070 numbers are located in hospitals for contacting patients.

O2 actually charges a fortune for calling these numbers, calls to 07017 numbers on a landline cost about 20p per minute, Orange charges 50p per minute and o2 charges 65p per minute. NWP Spectrum payphones charge 60p per minute for calls to all numbers begining 07.

Calls to pagers aren't any cheaper either! On T-Mobile, to call a paging number and leave a message which would last for 20 seconds would cost 70p. All pager numbers now begin 076.

There is also some suggestions about 0907,0908 and 0909 numbers. These services cost £3 per minute and above and mobile networks are thinking of discontinuing service to these numbers. Orange has launched access to all premium rate services that charge no more than £1.90 per minute/call. They have also allowed access to 0844 and 0871 numbers.

Your post is factually inaccurate aswell as offering dubious opinions.

Not everyone is aware. How can you possibly say that without asking 'everyone.' in my experience hardly anyone is aware. including some people in this thread.

Hopefully the ither netwroks will follow.

They could always use an opt-in system.

[m419]

In 2000 and 2001, oftel did give the public detailed information relating to mobile,pager,premium rate,personal numbers,national rate and local rate numbers after The Big Number campaign.

00 prefix numbers: International
01 Prefix Numbers: Local areas (No longer being used by pagers)

0500 prefix numbers: Freephone
070 prefix numbers: personal numbering
076 prefix numbers: Pagers
077 to 079 prefixes: Mobiles
080 prefixes: freephone
084-087 prefixes: local,national and special rates.
09 prefixes: Premium Rate

Operator Assistance: 100 Chargeable from Telewest lines.
International Operator: 155
Directory Enquiries: 118XXX
Timeline: 123

Charges for calling 155 on T-Mobile is £1.50 per minute.

People should have freedom to call what ever number they like!!!

People just need to look before they dial and mobile companies need to inform confused customers by calling customers and explain the charges for 070 numbers. But mobile networks don't.

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Originally Posted by flagpole

Your post is factually inaccurate aswell as offering dubious opinions.

Not everyone is aware. How can you possibly say that without asking 'everyone.' in my experience hardly anyone is aware. including some people in this thread.

Hopefully the ither netwroks will follow.

They could always use an opt-in system.

[flagpole]

Quote:

Originally Posted by m419

People just need to look before they dial and mobile companies need to inform confused customers by calling customers and explain the charges for 070 numbers. But mobile networks don't.

Call all 40m mobile users, yes that's the one...

[parkibald]

Don't think this would affect "follow me" numbers. All of Yac's numbers for example, start 07092.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kev

T-Mobile inturrupt all 080 calls to advise you that they are chargeable, and it should be easily done for all other numbers - no doubt this would reduce the number of complaints from consumers as well.

Vodafone do this as well. I'd be surprised if all networks didn't. Does seem the easiest way to be honest - to have a recorded message for premium rate numbers to tell you they're premium rate.

[flagpole]

Quote:

Originally Posted by parkibald

Don't think this would affect "follow me" numbers. All of Yac's numbers for example, start 07092.

Vodafone do this as well. I'd be surprised if all networks didn't. Does seem the easiest way to be honest - to have a recorded message for premium rate numbers to tell you they're premium rate.

But not all 070 numbers are premium.... some are personal numbers, like callsure numbers...

[parkibald]

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagpole

But not all 070 numbers are premium.... some are personal numbers, like callsure numbers...

Callsure all start 07050, so wouldn't be blocked anyway, as its only the list of numbers at the start of this thread that are being blocked.