DS Forums

 
 

ok - enoughs enough


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 20-06-2002, 13:52
iain
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 62,990

As there is a continual barrage of threads informing [generic] me [/generic] that I don't have the capacity to form my own opinions of the housemates, but rather am having them molded by those cunning BB producers, can I ask, once and for all then, who they really want me to vote out of the house.....clearly it can't be both Alex and Spencer, as suggested in this very forum......

ie here

AND


here

Presumably someone here is authoritive enough to tell me which way the producers really want me to vote? As it turns out they are even more crafty than any of us could have imagined....

Without sounding too controversial, dare I suggest that those who like Alex pick up on every slight anti-Alex nuance and everyone who like Spencer picks up on every slight anti-Spencer nuance, and dum dum dum in fact the producers don't really worry too much about it at all

Iain
iain is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 20-06-2002, 14:00
dogsbollocks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 170
I suggest you take this forum slightly less seriously than the programme itself . . . . if thats possible. I doubt if anyone has their opinion swayed by what they read on here or anywhere else for that matter. Its just interesting to read other peoples perspectives and opinions on events in the BB house . . . . . lighthearted and ultimately pointless I know (a bit like life . . ) but its infinately better fun to sit back with a bottle of beer and laugh at Alex & Jade than watch the News (people killing each other etc etc). . . BB is almost zen-like in its concept dont you think? People sitting on the couch watching people sitting on a couch . . wonderful.
dogsbollocks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 14:07
iain
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 62,990
..but I don't take this forum seriously - its people who take the whole BB thing sooooooooooo seriously that they think the whole thing has, in some way, to be fixed.

I completely agree with you in that the very notion of people sat on sofas watching other people sat on sofas is, in its simplest essence, what makes BB what it is, and as such will ultimately be more entertaining by just leaving them to it, without having to somehow contrive or manipulate the whole thing.

Iain
iain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 14:13
dogsbollocks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 170
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you . . . have a beer. . . . . relax.
dogsbollocks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 14:18
leebec
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Posts: 168

Originally posted by iain
Without sounding too controversial, dare I suggest that those who like Alex pick up on every slight anti-Alex nuance and everyone who like Spencer picks up on every slight anti-Spencer nuance, and dum dum dum in fact the producers don't really worry too much about it at all
Iain
I think this is a bit naive.

Ultimately the producers are responsible for the success of the show - pulling in the ratings in order to please Channel 4 who get a nice slice of advertising revenues if it is a success.

Big Brother has become somewhat of a "Summer Event" rather than a TV programme and Channel 4 seem to be relying on it more and more...

The producers would have their heads on the block if the ratings began to suffer and slide - so they have their own opinions about how the show should develop and who the strong characters are that will ultimately continue to pull in the crowds and maintain media interest.

Indeed, they are also answerable to Endemol - who takesa a slice of revenue from voting - and if people are left in the house that the public ultimately have apathy for - then it doesn't get the emotions going and thus revenues are hit.

So producers/editors have, of course, a plan for the programme and you only need to watch E4 to notice the important things that they miss out of the C4 programme (which the majority of the UK population still use as the main way to form opinions on the housemates).

Lee
leebec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 14:27
iain
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 62,990
I don't doubt that they are selective in what they show - my point was that some people here seem to think they are showing Alex in more favourable light, whilst others say that they are showing Spencer in a more favourable light, (hence the two links) each suggesting that it is unfair to the other. Clearly both sets of arguments can't be right!

I would suggest all they are doing is showing them both at they're most entertaining, rather than attempting to engineer a particular result.

Iain

PS The paranoid quote - Stephen King? bonus point for the book and the year....its just for fun kiddies
iain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 14:39
dogsbollocks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 170
iain is 100% correct . . the best they can hope for is to make the thing entertaining . .they have no control over the housemates behaviour at all so it would be completely pointless to even try to have a 'game-plan' . . . too unpredictible . .they can't even allocate sufficient resources to properly edit the potentially libelous 'soundtrack' in an efficient manner . .I think they just set the programme off at the start of the summer and see which way the wind blows it. Where they could improve things is in teir selection of housemates for next year . . they have plenty time to analyse personalities and use the experience if the first 3 shows to select people with potentially entertaining profiles.

They might want to try filtering with a rudimentary IQ test for one thing (no offence Jade)!
dogsbollocks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 14:47
Dr Perm
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: North Wales
Posts: 32
Terry Pratchett....Strata.......1981??

Dr Perm
Dr Perm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 15:03
iain
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 62,990
Originally posted by dogsbollocks
iain is 100% correct . . the best they can hope for is to make the thing entertaining . .they have no control over the housemates behaviour at all so it would be completely pointless to even try to have a 'game-plan' . . . too unpredictible . .
at last! someone who sees some sense!! i was just tiring of threads saying how unfair it was of c4 to show Spencer being a pillock (or whoever doing or saying whatever) completely ignoring the fact that A. Spencer may in fact be a pillock and B. Spencer behaving like a pillock might actually be more entertaining than than watching Spencer make a cup of tea.

Iain
iain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 15:10
desktop
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 221
Originally posted by dogsbollocks
iain is 100% correct . . the best they can hope for is to make the thing entertaining . .they have no control over the housemates behaviour at all .
Yes. What the housemates often don't realize is that they're essentially "on audition" all the time. BB will happily support a HM, any HM, through editing, as long as the HM gives BB "good tv" in return. The more the HMs do, the more camera time they''ll get and the more BB will promote them.

My own sense is that BB would have happily let the triumvirate (Spencer/Kate/PJ) [aka the axis of evil] rule the house. Yet the more entitled these 3 got, the less activity they provided.

Witness the change in the two poor sides. It wasn't the hardship of the poor side that made that section the more interesting, it was the mix of HMs. Poor side week 2 doesn't get the same amount of coverage because they do little except sleep (Kate and PJ seem unable to do anything without Spencer's direction, and he's inactive at best).

I think that BB increasingly recognized that Spencer's crew wasn't going to "do" anything with their valuable resource of air time, and BB has now shifted to support Alex's side (even Jade) because they provide BB with useful feed.

In retrospect, Sandy's leaving was the best thing that could have happened for Alex. He may have lost an ally, but he also freed himself from Sandy's own lethargy.

So I don' tthink that BB has a "master game plan." They do respond tactically, week by week, to what seems to be the more interesting developments. BB is kind of like journalism - it goes with the news as it unfolds.
desktop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 20:06
Father Jack
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Exeter
Posts: 4,063
Originally posted by dogsbollocks
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you . . . have a beer. . . . . relax.
Thats SOUNDS clever, but it's not: paranoia by definition DOES mean they are NOT really out to get you, otherwise you're not paranoid. Even if it's only by chance that you're correct in thinking they're after you.


Jack
v relaxed (on wine though)
Father Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 20:55
LadyKnight
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Co Antrim N.Ireland
Posts: 7,628
So if I think they are not out to get me, but they do get me - can I be paranoid then?

Can the housemate who is voted off get paranoid - cos people WERE out to get him !
LadyKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 22:12
Father Jack
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Exeter
Posts: 4,063
Originally posted by LadyKnight
So if I think they are not out to get me, but they do get me - can I be paranoid then?

Can the housemate who is voted off get paranoid - cos people WERE out to get him !
1. If you think they are NOT out to get you, but they ARE, then you'd just be unobservant.

2. The HM who gets voted off because we *are* against Spen, I mean HIM would NOT be paranoid, he'd be perceptive.

Anyway I've seen people diagnosed as "paranoid" be interviewed and they don't just "think" that *someone* is after them, they fervently BELIEVE with conviction that people (usually the government, the waterboard, the world wildlife fund (or whatever its called now) are after them. trust me, if you hear them, you can tell SOMETHING is wrong.

just a minute, I think someones tapping into my phone line...


jack
Father Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 22:20
jezza
Banned User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 725
Originally posted by Father Jack


1. If you think they are NOT out to get you, but they ARE, then you'd just be unobservant.

2. The HM who gets voted off because we *are* against Spen, I mean HIM would NOT be paranoid, he'd be perceptive.

Anyway I've seen people diagnosed as "paranoid" be interviewed and they don't just "think" that *someone* is after them, they fervently BELIEVE with conviction that people (usually the government, the waterboard, the world wildlife fund (or whatever its called now) are after them. trust me, if you hear them, you can tell SOMETHING is wrong.

just a minute, I think someones tapping into my phone line...


jack
Dear oh dear you have too much time on your hands this evening

Jezza
also has too much time on his hands
jezza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 22:21
plums
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norf London (red side)
Posts: 1,500
Originally posted by desktop



So I don' t think that BB has a "master game plan." They do respond tactically, week by week, to what seems to be the more interesting developments. BB is kind of like journalism - it goes with the news as it unfolds.
Now theres an idea that I can understand better than the conspiracy theory of it having a coherent gameplan strategically mapped out from Week 1 to the end. Thanks!
plums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 23:16
dogsbollocks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 170
So its not like The Truman Show then? . . . With some guy with a black goatee beard in a big black swivel chair and a white cat on his lap turning the rain on and off and controlling everything, including the mechanicial chickens? Maybe Alex is our 'Truman' and the rest are actors (Jade should get an oscar if she is!) and we are all the idiots who think our vote actually counts for something?
dogsbollocks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 23:49
MustGetOutMore
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Brigade HQ
Posts: 1,270

Great post with which I totally agree
MustGetOutMore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2002, 23:58
paulh0202
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 305
Originally posted by Father Jack


1. If you think they are NOT out to get you, but they ARE, then you'd just be unobservant.

2. The HM who gets voted off because we *are* against Spen, I mean HIM would NOT be paranoid, he'd be perceptive.

Anyway I've seen people diagnosed as "paranoid" be interviewed and they don't just "think" that *someone* is after them, they fervently BELIEVE with conviction that people (usually the government, the waterboard, the world wildlife fund (or whatever its called now) are after them. trust me, if you hear them, you can tell SOMETHING is wrong.

just a minute, I think someones tapping into my phone line...


jack
I see you've heard about me FJ, because they are EXACTLY the people that are after me .... and a few others (some on here).
paulh0202 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-06-2002, 00:03
plums
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norf London (red side)
Posts: 1,500
Father Jack - the voices in my head tell me that they aren't going to get me but yhe vioces coming out of the radiator tell me they are . I'm confused - can you ,Cal or others tell me the truth ?

Plums ( possibly a pear or even an apple on a good day.......)
plums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-06-2002, 00:09
paulh0202
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 305
OK, it sounds like a cue for a theory on life.

We're all in a grand BB game. We've had our memory erased (maybe temporarily) and no way of knowing what's out there or where we came from - a bit like the Truman Show, confined in a world within a world ..... because we believe this is what it seems.

Our death is actually the process of elimination from the game.

Well ..... it's a theory, maybe not "Big Bang or anything but you must admit, it's imaginative (or sad).

And now the producers are getting a little worried about me.

Not to say anything about you lot.

But I'm determined to stay in it .... for entertainment value.

How's it going FJ - have you got me fathomed yet?
paulh0202 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-06-2002, 00:10
paulh0202
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 305
You guessed it folks ...... I'm p*ssed!
paulh0202 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-06-2002, 00:11
LadyKnight
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Co Antrim N.Ireland
Posts: 7,628
just a minute, I think someones tapping into my phone line...
I thought I was the only one who heard that tapping ... and I am sure someone was following me when I went to buy some milk earlier, maybe it was those MIB!

Look out .... they are after you!
LadyKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-06-2002, 00:17
plums
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norf London (red side)
Posts: 1,500
Originally posted by LadyKnight


I thought I was the only one who heard that tapping ... and I am sure someone was following me when I went to buy some milk earlier, maybe it was those MIB!

Look out .... they are after you!
Damn - thats 2 people already who've heard my phone tap working ! Now I'll never found out who it is trying to get me..........
plums is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-06-2002, 00:20
paulh0202
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 305
Originally posted by plums
Father Jack - the voices in my head tell me that they aren't going to get me but yhe vioces coming out of the radiator tell me they are . I'm confused - can you ,Cal or others tell me the truth ?

Plums ( possibly a pear or even an apple on a good day.......)
Plums,

If the voices in the radiator are right then you're perceptive.

If the voices in the radiator are wrong then you're paranoid.

If the voices in your head are right then - you can stop worrying.

If the voices in your head are wrong then your b*ggered.
paulh0202 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-06-2002, 00:23
plums
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norf London (red side)
Posts: 1,500
Originally posted by paulh0202


Plums,

If the voices in the radiator are right then you're perceptive.

If the voices in the radiator are wrong then you're paranoid.

If the voices in your head are right then - you can stop worrying.

If the voices in your head are wrong then your b*ggered.
I just wish some voice somewhere could tell me if England are gonna kick Brazil out of the quarter finals later this morning !!!

Time to retire to bed so I get up in time !
plums is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 14:37.