she is playing the game well in the house but has no chance of winng because we can all see what she is doing.

Jezza. I am suggesting that the public is stupid and will dislike Adele because she isn't. And yes, it follows that Adele is not being smart or cunning. But, I was postulating my own view of Adele based on what she says and does and not on how likely she is to win the competition. She won't win.

As an aside, it would help if when you choose to reply to a post that you read the post first. And reading involves more than reading aloud the words, it includes understanding and drawing conclusions. If you had followed this approach your queries to me would have been unnecessary as the answers are self-evident.

As people keep saying - it's a game show so i like to see someone in there with a game plan, and one she is willing to discuss in the diary room. She's being proactive - hurray! Rather that than those who think they should win it because they look good and are what 'normal' people like.
(please kate, no more whining 'but everyone loves people like us')

Work for it, earn it, that's the name of the game surely. Adele is doing very little more than business people do everyday in 'real life'.

She's shown herself to be hardworking, thoughtful and insightful, I'd employ her in a flash; can't say there's anyone else in the house who is wowoing me with their enthusiasm or abilites.

epicurus,

You are the only one who has resorted to insults and name-calling. And I take that as a sign of your intelligence.

Gvien the fact that you've just accused the general population of being 'Apes' I would suggest that any argument I present to you would only be viewed in a biased manner.

Before making such sweeping generalisations of our human race "wallowing in the mire of their putrid stupidity" (and that refers to the majority of the race because we have rejected Adele) I suggest that you actually get some facts to back up your ridiculous claims. Then I might be able to reciprocate the argument. Like I say I have never heard such rubbish.

Well said Rennie. It is almost unbelievable that Kate really thinks that people would normally like her. Her bad points are well documented but what are her good points. Maybe she appeals to sad old men who like women to act like children and look like children and talk like children. Aren't there special websites for people like that?

Which particular claim do you wish me to back-up?

Plus, have you ever heard of the concept of issuing an opinion.

Just so as I know (and I can't be bothered to read all the previous), was *I* called an "ape"?

jack

Oh and by the way you've just contradicted yourself. If Adele isn't stupid then she is smart. If she's smart then she would be able to get the public onside. Therefore she's stupid. The public don't like her because she's two faced. FACT she is leading the two faced polls.

I would like you to back all of this up please with some facts. I particularly would like you to back up the claim about 99% of the fans not being adults.


You present this as fact not opinion.

no! you cheeky monkey!

elliottm

Jack, I don't know. Do any of the following apply to you? if they don't then the description wasn't headed in your direction.

Do you ever develop a dislike of someone because they appear to be more intelligent than you?

Are you entirely satisfied with your own store of knowledge?

Do you never feel ashamed if your intellect is lacking?

I have met people like Kate and the army of screamers at Big Brother evictions. Many are just having fun but correct their grammar and they become furious. What bothers me are people who simply don't like learning and contribute to the dumbing-down in this country. Big Brother is part of that because it is so popular.

I wonder sometimes if Adele every watched last year's BB. If she did, she would know how the public reacted to Nick. People don't like back -stabbers .......or is it just me?
I'm guessing..........no, I'd put money on it in fact...as soon as she's up for eviction she's outta there

I've obviously been paying too little attention, but can anyone summarise Adele's crimes? I've not seen her being especially two-faced or back-stabbing (love the language BTW, like being back in the playground )

Andy

Let me see epicurus. Your argument is mainly based on the claim that the people watching BB are the sons and the daughters of

"the morons who supported the greed of the early eighties"

Now the fact is that that the greed of the early eighties was not supported by anyone else other than those running the economy. They made the decision as to how to best set the economic conditions for prosperity. They sold off the public services in order to create wealth and interest in the markets. Interest rates were set lower than they should have been which caused inflation to spiral out of control.

If you were prosperous in the late 80's you had no choice but to go with the flow. Buy an expensive property as far within your means as possible, invest in the market or watch you own wealth that you had strived for depreciate quickly. These are not 'morons' simply hardworking people like you and I.

May I remind you firstly that people lost their houses, wealth and jobs as a result of all of this when the bust came. Plus take a look at miners and the recession that came in these areas which weren't as profitable and run into the ground by the government. Are these people morons?

No the morons were in fact the goverment that fuelled all of this and their ardent supporters. I would suggest that these people's children account for less than 1% of the population. Therefore basing your argument on this shows your lack of intellect and knowledge of your own Countries recent history.

Please go and buy a book and read about what happened in the 80's.

Do you take Big Brother seriously? It is an entertainment show of the lowest kind. Voyeurism and encouragement of conflict. It is also a money-making scam both for channel 4 and for the bookies who decide the evictions. It seems daft to perceive the programme any other way. I watch it because it can be entertaining. Like most people I enjoy dumb TV now and then.

The figure of 99% may or may not be accurate. However, for those people who spend money on the phone calls and make the effort to attend the evictions and apply to be on Big Brother, (150000 applications), and imbue all their casual conversations during the day with discussions about the housemates, the figure may not be too inaccurate.

The other comments I made were political opinions, remember those? Political opinions are supposed to be intrinsically provocative, and in this case seem to have been successful.

The question may be why I bother to contribute to this message board whilst ironing my work shirts. The answer is to wind people up, and another success there.

PS. Ever heard of wit. With wit there is a poetic licence to stray ever so slightly from the facts.

Your political opinions show real ignorance to what has happened in your own Country. That is why I called your post rubbish. Yet here you are saying the public is lacking in intellect. You have no grounds to make that claim when you don't even understand the basics of how our Country works.

By the way you asked me which claims I wanted you to back up.

I'm with you Andy, I don't see her as being particularly back-stabbing. I think people read their own thoughts into when they see her 'in discussion' with the likes of Jade and Kate when in fact it isn't a two way conversation - watch Adele, she sits and listens and does one of the wisest things in the book 'smile and nod, just smile and nod'.

I think many people thought she was being two faced for nominating Lee but i think her points were more than valid, he was being childish that week, she saw a new side to him, didn't like it, nominated - that just screams good sense to me.

Well if you are here to wind people up then any of your moral arguments now have about at much integrity as Adele.

Jezza, everything you say, particularly about the miners, is absolutely right. The miners lost heavily as did the majority of people. But not everyone. The problem is that your figure of 1% is clearly not accurate.

The Tory government had a lot of support; much of this was lost towards the end of the eighties when the recession deepened, but they still continued to win elections. A change to labour occurred only when Labour presented itself as the new Tory party. The greed aspect was not limited to a relatively few tory supporters. Conversely it was never an aspect of the approach taken by people like the miners. Buying your own home and geting paid well is not greed, it is exploitation that is the greed.

Incidently, I don't need to read a book about the eighties because I am nearly forty, and I did try to help the miners on their picket lines and fights with the police.

Now, Tony Blair's promotion of dumbness is endemic.

Tory support came about because of the Falklands war. The polls before the Falklands conflict happened showed that Thatcher was going to be de-throned.

However many people believed the Country was being run well because of it's strong economy. I do not think people are 'morons' for voting this way. Similarly I do not think people are 'morons' for voting the way they do know. Politics in the UK needs a shake up, however as a Country we are relatively well educated and informed on events that matter. If you want to see an example of a Country that lacks intellect and practises wide spread xenophobia then travel across the US. You will find our small Country has much more of a sense of what counts.

There was only a small percentage of people that exploited the opportunites in the late 80's. Estate Agents, Landlords, Brokers all became rich. And I stand by the claim that the people that fuelled all of this accounted for less than 1% of the population. The other bandwaggoners were there to be lead and I do not class these people as the culprits. However it is an interesting argument and open to interpetation.

What I refute however is the claim that "the general public is the sons and daughters of the morons that fuelled the greed of the late 80's." I would say that these people only account for a small percentage and many of the new generation are not in a hurry to repeat the mistakes of their parents.

As for Blair's promotion of dumbness, despite what you may think of him his performance on the World stage is nothing more than remarkable and he is an asset to this Country. 50% of people are getting into higher education. Cultural barriers have been broken down and this has been helped by the current Government. Again open to interpretation but I think that on the whole people in the UK are a lot smarter than you give them credit for.

TALKING OF BIG BROTHER (as I'm sure you two were, however obliquely), there are far cleverer people people than I who still DONT KNOW why people vote: there' a branch of sociology that deals with that subject alone.

If either of you two have finally cracked the problem, I'm sure No. 10 Downing St would be very happy to hear from you...

Now, Adele, what's she like eh? All tricky and conniving etc.

Gentlemen, I respectfully suggest you return to topic, or PM each other before Mr Hughes strikes!


Jack

FJ, respectfully can you leave the mods to it. We're all adults here.

Speak for yourself!!


jack

Yes, you're right Jack.

The digression has been useful. I wonder if we shall see one of Kate's supporters display their erudition sometime soon? Oops, more sarcasm!

Re. Adele. I do not understand why she is disliked as the various polls seem to suggest. She hasn't been two-faced. It seems that labels are applied readily and the contestants get stuck with them. Fortunately, Adele is unlikely to get nominated. Perhaps someone who does stand by the assertion that Adele has been too cunning and dishonest can give some true examples. I have liked her and wanted her to win, (probably in vain), ever since she nominated Kate. She displayed a lot of perception there.