l like Jonny, l think that he's trying to be all things to all people and is not very good at it. Sandy's words knocked the socks off him so to speak and that on top of the nominations has made him pull back. But fair play to him, he's looked after the chickens, cooked and not complained about being over on the poor side. Seems to me he can't win whatever, and as for playing up to people, hell that's what they are all doing, it's a game and they all want to win. It's strange how Adele Jade & Alex mocked him for saying what he said about nominating someone and then being nice to them, but when PJ said more or less the same thing today nobody said anything. Maybe Jonny Sophie & Kate should get together and form their own little group against Alex, Adele & Jade seems to me the latter 3 are getting a little to cocky for their own good.

Jonny does seem to stress heavily about everything in there - whether thats in his nature or b'coz he's aware of being constantly watched and having to present a likeable persona, I couldn't say. Maybe he just wants to ensure he doesn't get booed when he leaves, who knows?

Fair enough if you just don't like him in a Sandy snobby way, but saying he's cunning and false is way off the mark, yes he's having to adapt alot of the time but he's upfront about it, he's told everyone he's quietened down, hes been honest about his reasons for changing when he does. He lets everyone know about the things that bother him such as how hes being percieved outside. Remember that some guys in there have told him to calm down and Sandy was pretty nasty about it too!

I want him to win because he's the better person in that house, and I think this topic is a load of drivel.

Yep. I have a serious feeling it's a put on. Let's not forget he's an Equity card holder, and probably sees his whole BB experience as one big audition.

There's other things he's said that have put doubts in my mind about how genuine he is. He defo is a huge studier of BB. He told someone that he's got a strategy he uses in the DR. Whereby, he won't look fully into the camera, 'cos he thinks it makes you look very shifty and like your lying. I can honestly say, when I've seen DR shots of him, he doesn't look at the camera. The trouble is, his strategy makes him look all the more shiftier due to the lack of eye contact.

Another incident I recall him talking about, was that before he entered the house, Jonny and his girlfriend were going through specific scenes that had taken place in past BB's, and he was telling his girlfriend how he would handle the situations if they arose. This looks like he was trying to plan his strategy if particular things happened.

It makes you wonder if any of his actions are spontaneous, or how he planned them to be. The heaven and hell scenario appears to have upset his plans that he had for himself in the house. H & H is something never before seen in BB UK, so he's not too sure how to react to it, and how the public are reacting to it.

But, it's obvious, that he's totally and utterly obsessed with how the public are perceiving him in the outside world. He'd have been far better, just going in there and being himself, and for better or worse, let the people judge him on that.

I don't agree, he must have known Alex would be up for nomination last week. I think he picked Spencer because he was probably the hardest for Jonny to talk to. He is very close to PJ and Kate, he quite likes Adele and Jade, and he seems to like Sophie too. He probably had no idea Spencer would be up though, and then he realised he didn't want to lose a friend.

Sorry, the above was to reply to what someone said about Jonny's nomination strategy, I didn't notice the second page.

Jonny was so funny in the first two weeks. I think alot changed when Sandy said that he was a bit to in your face.
I think jonny said to sandy 'ive been trying to calm myself down the past few days' Why should he have calmed down?? he was doing nothing wrong.

He's noy being himself now. Always worrying about how he looks on tv, how he is coming across. Bring back the original jonny!!!!!

I live in the same part of the world as Jonny, and I suggest that the real Jonny is nearer the guy we saw in the first week. The people around here are earthy and honest. The smutty jokes although annoying to some viewers will be a staple part of the conversation at Peterlee Fire Station, its the culture.
Hes obviously not as well travelled as some of his housemates, hasnt gone to Uni and probably hasnt interacted with the middle classes. On his arrival at the house I imagine he thought that being himself was the best policy, but probably tried a bit too hard. He was shocked to be nominated and has retreated somewhat and looks a little isolated now.
Im convinced he's a well balanced, decent guy and doesnt have it in him to be crafty or malicious. I hope he wins!

well said

A different Bob - I too hope he wins. To me he seems the most genuine person in the house......I didn't like Sandy at ALL and I didn't see where he told jonny off for being 'in yer face' and that makes me dislike sandy even more (glad he's gone)....but I would have expected Jonny to be strong enough to get over that and just be himself. If what sandy said made Jonny tone down his personality then Jonny must be very insecure indeed.

I don't know if you managed to catch any of BBLB earlier today [Sunday] but Spencer pretty much agreed that Jonny was as 'false as they come’ .. changing his personality to suite what he perceives both the viewer and housemates want at any given time.. He made the point of saying that he's not being himself ... not in a million years.

More and more people are catching on to Jonny and his insincere ways.. He's of no use to the house, so the sooner he goes the better..

You can’t make an Omelette without breaking eggs [as the saying goes].. but in Jonny’s world you can, therefore suggesting that he’s extremely false. In other words he’s attempting to be all things to everyone, and we know in an environment like that you are going to have arguments, be they small or large.. Adele, Alex, Jade, PJ.. have all had little strops .. but not Jonny.. because he’s devious, cunning .. sly .. crafty .. conniving .. If he’s too good to be true then he IS too good to be true .. Spencer [on the inside] has seen through him, so its about time the viewers did too .. !

There were tell tale signs of Jonny's act even in the first few days of BB. One thing that stood out was his willingness to hold overnight vigil because he was a 'night person' apparently. To me this was him just trying to bond with as many people as he could regardless if he didn't like them.

Oh sorry - I didn't realise that Spencer had his Master's in psychology.

I'd like to suggest something slightly different. It wasn't Sandy's comment that spooked Johnny, but the HMs reaction to it.

If you go back and see the tape, Sandy went up to Johnny and said, "I don't like you, but no hard feelings." [This couldn't have been news to Johnny]. Johnny then asked Sandy, "Why?" And Sandy, unexpectedly hesitated in answering. But the HMs started laughing and said it's your humour.

It wasn't Sandy, but the HMs support of Sandy that sent Johnny into a tail spin.

Quite agree!.. and have you taken notice that he is forever telling the other housemates that if they feel like talking then they can come to him .. infact, he open encourages it .. the reason is not that he cares about the dynamics of the house, or the housemates themselves, but that he wishes to gain valuable information about problems they might have with other housemates and therefore gain pointers as to who stands the better chance of gaining most votes.. so he can heap his onto and save himself. I am infuriated by some of his ways... its just so subtle that it becomes so blatantly obvious .. I'm pleased that more and more people are catching on though!

I'm a northerner by birth and own a very earthy (loving that description!) humour. I will admit - I laugh at Carry On films, simplistic camp and smut with a dash of sarcasm.

The thing with such humour is out of a group where it's the norm it's very hard to pull it off without misinterpretation on some parts.

Most of your post is cobblers but this takes the biscuit - Alex being himself.

Well if that's himself, I pity the poor sod.

Have you ever thought that being false IS what most of these people in BB do best?

Jade & Adele currently pointing that he knows the game too well; .. "something too staged about him" -- I couldn't agree more, even Jade has spotted it. Currently talking about how he has studied the game and knows *when* to tell a Joke, at which camera to look at when doing so .. etc.. etc.. well worth a look [feed 1] ..

Adele mentioned that he's totally predictable .. She said he'll be the last one to go to bed as usual [Sunday, nominations now drawing close] .. -- he's currently *bitching* with Sophie, slagging Jade & Tim off.. [but trying to persuade her to vote Alex]

Jonny: "I've been watching Tim to try and work out to see if he will give something away how we've been portrayed out there.."

Jonny: "I was lying in bed yesterday wondering if when I vote someone off, what they're gonna be saying about me on the outside.. so I might not vote the way I would have voted cos of that"

That was an interesting conversation. usually the HMs don't see all that we see but Adele & Jade certainly have. Maybe the psychs. who were on Ch4 tonight have been briefing them!

l've been watching them Jade & Adele pulling Jonny apart on E4 l don't know why Adele just doesn't come straight out and tell them who to nominate, she's not far off doing just that. When Alex changed the subject she changed it right back. Adele should be warned about her bitching it could be construed as trying to sway peoples voting.

I really don't get why anyone should be surprised that Jonny has studied BB shows before entering the house. This isn't sinister; this is common sense. He's trying to win a game, trying to win £70,000. They all are .... that's why they're in the house. No other reason. It's a GAME.

I can't help getting the feeling that too many BB -watchers are forgetting it's a game-show, expecting someone they identify as a personal 'friend-figure', heroic, kind, selfless, never disappointing, to shine through the dross. It's not going to happen. And neither should it. They're all acting-up, it's all staged, they all know they're being watched by cameras 24/7 - they entered the show knowing this.

Jonny is no exception. He has said this is the biggest thing to ever happen to him in his life, and I believe him there. (Sandy - rather cruelly - mocked him for this). He dsperately wants to win, and desperation is not always the most attractive, comfortable quality to watch. But he is no worse than anyone else and if he is making viewers squirm with embarrassment or wonder why he has reacted to events, changed personas etc, maybe he is NOT as skilled as the others in masking his true feelings. It really is impossible for us to call. I don't think we should simply assume he is false because Spencer said it either. Spencer didn't like Jonny because he didn't think Jonny was cool enough. Simple really.

I'm not trumpeting Jonny's corner here, just wanting to point out that they all want to win BB, they are all acting-out, all playing a game - that's what it's about! Big deal.

Of course Adele and Jade aren't currently bitching about Jonny and trying to influence people to nominate him.

Its not that, it’s the way that you play the game that you are often *judged* on .. and unfortunately he’s playing an extremely sly game.. and people are not going to like you for it. He expects to engineer a personality that the public will connect with, and its not possible.. people who have won other BB shows elsewhere have done so by being themselves.. often the more quirky the character the better chance you have of winning because you endear yourself *genuinely* to the public.. Brian did this last year, Bubble [likewise] to a certain extent.. but Jonny is trying to be too clever, and its not endearing.. its coming over as pathetic .. just tune in now to feed (2) and see him in action.. he’s so concerned about Tim and the way he knows the way they have been portrayed outside of the house, he’s concerned about this.. about that .. He’s unable to lighten up because his game-plan is dogging him down .. and for that reason [the falseness] he needs to go for his own good..

So jealous! Am stuck with NTL feed, no choices, and have a Mac so can't even use web feeds.

Anyway, I take your point re: Jonny, but I think saying he's 'sly' more than the others, is a bit rich. Indeed, he seems more transparent to me than the others, by responding so obviously to circumstances. More tragic, than sly! Does this mean he's not playing the game well? Probably.

Plus, I don't really see how an average person could win this game WITHOUT being a bit false really. Brian, last year, was something of a rarity. BB clearly intended NOT to have a done deal so early this year.

HAHAHAHA ... Alex is saying he thinks Jonny looks like Ming the Merciless (from Flash/Flesh Gordon)!

And you know what ... Jonny DOES look like Emperor Ming. The goatee. The sharp eyebrows. And the shaved hair looks exactly like the skull cap that the evil Ming wears!!
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He mentioned this the other day as well, to Tim .. he found it really funny too .. Made me laugh -)