I am almost convinced that Alex and Kate will be the 2 last people left in the house. Kate in the DR tonight was in serious shock that Alex didn't pick her over Jade on Saturday. She seemed very upset over it even though she's always nominated Alex and vice versa. I think it was the duvet incident that set them apart. I honestly don't think Kate dislikes Alex as much as she's letting on given her surprised reaction in the DR.

i think ( and in some way hope) that you are right about the last two. If nomed against any of the evil axis, other than alex, kate will win. the new issue with adele and the shout over the wall has helped that situation.

i think that ates main issue in the DR was not so much based on not knowing that alex doesn't like her or that she doesn't like alex as much as she's letting on. i think her main grievance (understandably) alex has not so much as recognized her existence since satrday far less given a decent explanation ('excuse! - there isn't one) as to why he consigned her to the poor side for another week.

alex made a big deal in week 1 about being a gentleman, his choice on sat. disproves that one.

and , personally i think that what turned alex against kate was that the comments of the HMs in the first few days suggested that it was inevitable that they get together as the babe boy and babe girl of the house. Alex seemed to be waiting for kate to make a move. she didn't cos she was'nt keen on his personality (wimp!).

they say a women scorned is a dangeroud creature - so is a scorned alex.

it was made even worse when kate and spencers relationship developed.

Deerd

LOL that would be his feminine side coming out alright meeeooowww !!!

I think Deerd they both fancied eachother at the beginning, but their own insecurity about whether one likes the other ended up in their relationship's (as Housemates) demise. Alex probably after the first week began to feel alienated from the group and was probably jealous of Kate and Spencer, thus he ended up launching into the duvet incident. It's a shame really, since given what those 2 witches Adele and Jade have done, Alex and Kate never got the chance to be friends. I think possibly in the DR Kate felt Alex had rejected her completely as even a friend in the house. Kate unfortunately now is gonna be fooled by the third wretch Tim since she (and Alex) needs this feeling of being accepted in the group.

i see a number of your points, particularly given that kate has been nice enough to make an effort to be friends with eveyone. i know that the bitching of sophie between kate and jade (one incident) is oft quoted on the anti-kate threads but in general she has been the HM (certainly girl) involved in the least bitching.

i know she still has problems with sophie but she continues to make an effort.

the main prob is that to many of the HMs views of each other have been dictated by the whispering campaigns of jade (as the cypher for adele). the same seems to apply to a lot of the public who, certianly until recently, seemed to take anything that adele said as gospel.

kate is my fave: but se's far too gullible. i'm not even sure that the comments about adele (shouted over the wall) will have the desired impact. kates nice enough to keep giving people the benefit of the doubt.

as in your original point she was even charitable enough towards alex to assume that he would make the honourable choice and bring her out of the poor house for a week.

you are definetely right on the potential influence/actions of tim as regards kate. he's had his eye on her since he first entered the house. now spece is out of the way he sees an ideal chance. owever i've enough faith in kate to think that the thought of spence will keep her from doing anything stupid. the only fly in the ointment is if she mistakes flirting for basic friendship. kate doesn't wat another man but she will look for another friend - in doing so she'll give (innocent) ammo to the anti-kate (she''s a flirt) lobby.

they should look to their oen fave housemates, particularly adele, on the flirt stakes: adele>lee; adele>alex; adele>tim.

one good thing to come out of kate and tim being in the poor house is that it's got adele and jade worried that they'll lose any influence they had over tim (very little from what i could see - apart from their common hatred of sophie).

hence jade's 'are you missing me tim, has kate stolen your mind away from me?' comment on sunday.

anything that undermines adele and jade can only be a good thing.

Deerd

I think Johnny has more chance of getting to the last two than Kate.

Last four maybe; Kate, Adele, Johnny, Alex.

Depends if Johnny and Kate come clean to us in the Diary room. Adele already has.

We know that nearly all of them are continually playing the game a lot of the time.

I think Kate will be evicted from the last four first. I just don't think she's going to admit to us that she has any strategy whatsoever.
C'mon, how many people have you cried your eyes out over, who you only met for a few weeks. And you only do that gulping thing with your throat when you're crying when you're really in a state. Not when you're just tearful. I'll admit she does get sad, but not that much. And everything is Alex's fault.

I think Adele will fall next. Saw the cruel bitch side of her for the first time. Depends if she really hurt's anyone else, but the public will remember the bullying, I feel.
Having said that though, I just feel that she actually is a nice person away from game but doesn't like snobbery. She used to be my fave housemate, but I'm more 50/50 about her now.

Johnny and Alex, I don't know who would win.
Alex has that thing about him that I like to see in winners of these reality game show things. He just seems to scrape through things by luck, and seems oblivious to how people really feel about him.
Johnny although extrememly calculating, does have likeable qualities. He too, has to admit, casually or otherwise to us lot that he is playing to a game-plan. If he does, he is capable of turning on the cheeky charm and the public could well warm to him.
Both he and Alex have a good sense of humour. It depends who endears them most to the public when it matters.
Could be really close.

I hope it is these four though, from a viewers perspective, because that would continue the split house right up to the last week.

Watch for Tim and PJ. They could sneak into the last four. Although not popular in general to us, the housemates don't seem to have any problems with either of them.

alrightmate - 'till last few hours in general agreement with you about the last four - hopefully things will change after the fence shouting incident and adele won't make it to th alast 4. without adele alex will (he's alreay doing so- see updates) revert to the whinging wimp that is the real him.

one wek onthe poor side will sort him out.

if one on the non-evil axis members win next saturdays task they should opt to keep the divide and put all of the evil axis on the poor side.

unfortunately (or not really...and it would sort of validate my view) the other HMs, particularly kate are too nice to even think of doing something like that.


Deerd

Points: One

On the night of the duvet stealing incident, three or four of the housemates had been setting up camp outside. They had taken duvets from the bedrooms.

Kate then came in and took Alex's duvet. He was sleeping without a duvet as a result of his being stolen. He then went into the 'rich' bedroom (although we didn't know it was that, then) and took his duvet back.

Kate had stolen Alex's duvet in the first place; that wasn't shown on C4. How come Alex taking his duvet back has now turned into the famous 'Alex steals a duvet' incident?

SEcond point

I seem to have forgotten what it was now. Oh yes.

When Kate and Jade were sitting there to be selected, at that point, each of them had had one week each in the poor side. Jade then got another week in the rich side, and Kate in the poor side. This is being portrayed as Alex being unfair to Kate. Why? I have no love for Jade, but had Alex picked Kate, then Jade would have had two weeks in the poor side, and Kate only one.

Third point

Kate was very instrumental in starting the Sophie hate fest when she was on the rich side; when Sophie was a threat to her 'friendship' with Spencer. Now she makes friends with Sophie?

Kate was very instrumental in getting Alex isolated in the first two weeks, by blowing up any interaction with him, and manipulating it so that he was made to look unreasonable.

Before you get too sorry for Kate, remember these points.

The problem was with the way that Alex took it back. KAte was sleeping on the floor, near the door, Alex came in snatched the duvet off of her (without saying a word) and then went back to sleep. To make things worse, when Kate went into the boy's bedroom to find out who took it, Alex pretended to be asleep, clearly afraid of some kind of confrontation.


Kate seemed to think it should be taken in turns. I thought Alex was a bit stupid when picking Jade simply because of her 'batty boy', 'you deserved to be bullied at school' comments.


Alex isolated himself in the first two weeks by only really talking to Sandy in the garden, calling that house meeting (within the first few days when Lynne was still there) and by blowing the 'wee-gate' situation out of all proportion. And his apparent problem with Kate didn't help him.

So why is there no problem with Kate taking the the duvet in the first place? She took it without his permission, and left him without one to sleep on, because she had put her own in the garden.

If someone had done that to me, I'd have snatched the duvet off them, sharpish.

Kate never took the duvet while alex was using it, she probably didnt even know whos it was, theres no need to snatch it back in the middle of the night!!!!!!!!

Hes a wimp

She took the duvet off the bed that Alex slept in (he had slept continually in the same bed): Even if he wasn't in it, she knew that it was Alex's duvet . She felt safe in doing so, because at the time, Alex was a sort of pariah.

Kate stole Alex's duvet, not the other way around

I'd also like you to consider the fact that, when Kate and Sophie were on the rich side together, Kate made no attempt to get on with Sophie, and in fact, instigated the bitching about her, in a conversation over the fence with Jade.

Kate is no Angel. Don't let the crocodile tears fool you.

No-one's disputing that. It's a fact and we all know it. However, Kate wasn't at all malicious about taking it. As Lee Cool said, Alex wasn't using it at the time. When Alex snatched it off her, he did it quickly and without warning, seriously shaking Kate up. He then refused to apologise for scaring Kate, or even admit to doing it, which is why he came out of the situation looking like the villain.

I can't disagree with what you said about her and Sophie though.

somebody else who doesn't understand women!

I think what we have here is a non-Battle. Alex has complete indifference to Kate (not dislike), Kate is still mulling why this is so because it is something she has never come across before, or certainly not to her her face.

I think if Kate were to give it a little more thought she'd realise her problem is not with Alex per se but the situation of feeling rejected in a group scenario where she has always been a main player in the past. If kate actually let it go or reconciled it I think she'd actually move on and any form of relationship with Alex would be improved.

There is no need for them to try and overcome this as it serves neither of them.

For the nth time, Alex has never nominated Kate.


Perhaps today will be a first, but the score is 3 - 0 for Alex from Kate.

Alex was drunk and was sleeping on the sofa until something like 3am. Jade covered him with a duvet and they all went out camping. Wether someone took Alex's duvet off of him at a later time or wether he decided he didn't want someone else's duvet is up for debate. He then at 8am decided to storm into the girls bedroom and snatch the duvet from Kate. If I remember rightly someone broke into the house earlier in the night and Kate thought someone had come back for more.

Sorry but what Alex did was barring on pathetic, it's pretty much in-defensible. What was even more pathetic was the way he hid under the duvet when Kate came to the boy's bedroom to confront the duvet thief. Pathetic.

HBK is right Alex had passed out on the sofa after drinking nearly two bottles of champaign. Spencer and the others decided to sleep in the garden and took some matresses and quilts from the poor side to do so (BB had told them they couldn't move the matresses from the rich side.) After someone jumped over the wall BB ordered all the HM's back inside the house. Kate dragged the matress and quilt she was sleeping on into the rich bedroom and was sleeping on it near the door. Alex eventually woke up and when he saw there was no quilt on his bed went into the rich bedroom and grabbed the first quilt he saw. Kate was upset because she thought someone had broken into the house and grabbed the quilt.

Alex should have appologised, he was in the wrong.

Oh Please!! Come on peeps wake up to Kate!!

In my opinion she did not for one minute consider the possibility of Spencer being evicted before Alex. Therefore, she is now aware of just how popular Alex is 'out here.'

Saturday evening presented her with the first opportunity to 'attempt' to blacken his name and boy has she milked that opportunity......all thoses tears in the DR???? Why oh why did she think he'd choose her when she has admitted she would NOT have chosen him?

Kate is quite simply looking for 'the sympathy vote' as she truly believes (and has said) this is why the public opted to keep Alex in!!! Kate is certainly not the bitch Jade and Adele have proven themselves to be and I personally hope to see her in the final but she's a crafty cookie and is very much hoping to pick up the votes that all 'underdogs' and 'losers' in this country seem to earn!

All you Kate lovers make me laugh! You produce twisted logic to justify what Kate did in taking Alex's duvet and to demonise Alex's response.

Granted it would have been more polite of Alex to have told Kate he needed his duvet back but can you imagine what the repsonse from the spoiled brat would have been?

Either she would have tried to manipulate him by playing her 'charms' card which until she entered the house has never failed her. Or she would have become aggressive and started an argument with him.

If it had been me I would have woken her and told her I needed my duvet then, ignoring her selfish little whines, taken it back advising her to find her own duvet where she last left it.

Kate is utterly pathetic in the house but it will have been a real eye-opener for her to see that her 'charms' don't work on everyone. Unfortunately for her she still hasn't worked out that it's her personality that needs changing.

If it had been me I would have taken one of the spare duvets lying around.

I think that Alex was tired and probably grumpy, maybe even a bit drunk when he went to bed. He got pissed off when he realised someone had stolen his duvet so he took it back in a rather rude manner. I for one don't blame him he was in a pissy mood and Kate exacerbated his grumpiness.

I personally would have told her to F-off when she came in looking for the duvet.

If Alex had sworn had Kate, he would've displayed a backbone, but he didn't, he just pretended to be asleep, and in doing so, he proved himself a wimp.

l think that once the divide comes down then Kate should have a bath wash her hair put on the full make up and go for Alex head on, Alex would be to shell shocked to resist and Adele, well who cares let her watch

That is the key point fastjet: her personality, or lack of any. That is why she has her anti-fan club.

Well said!