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I was beginning to wonder that myself...................................as we are portrayed as their lesser beings in all threads

You said it.. not me ..

*Sigh*.

Why do you hate him? (Are you epicurus?)

you avoided/forgot to quote verbatim.

jonny said that the tobacco was giving him a sore throat - this becomes a medical issue.

with bbs non-response he stated that in which case he would have to go cold turkey.

i don't know if you have any addictive habits Elysium, but to make any HM go cold turkey from a legal substance to which they are addicted would be placing them at an emotional disavantage to the other HMs.

Deerd
a thirty a day girl

I really have nothing against the chap other than what I have already outlined; that I consider him to be extremely fake for a number of reasons… I have no problem with any of the other housemates winning the show, be that Alex, Kate or even Jade. They are all ‘characters’ in their own right presenting an image that is not too dissimilar than their real-selves.. Jonny on the other hand is attempting to pull the wool over our eyes in the most underhanded way possible.. and judging by some of you, has been doing a rather good job of it.

Its become apparent from inside of the house that he’s been ‘spotted’ .. by the fact that he has been up twice now for eviction[listen to the comments given by both Jade and Adele for fairly apt reasons] .. and not to mention those viewers with the more ‘open minds’ who have not been blinded by a fake personality..

Its your choice, I really don’t give a hoot who you decide to vote for .. If you want to be ‘conned’ then you keep the guy in; but it’ll all end up going the same way as the guy who won BB1 [Craig] who [do a search on him] turned out to be less than the sum of his parts.. and certainly not the worthy winner people had expected..

Jonny is fake .. his personality is fake .. and for this reason alone and no other, he should be evicted sooner rather than later.

they give alex headache tablets like their sweeties but when kate asked on sunday for painkillers for a sore head bb refused.

they seemed to spineless pussies towards some

and

pride of p***ed off lions to others.

Deerd

I've never liked Johnny, and don't smoke, but it's quite unfair to force someone off smoking, or their kind of tobacco, this way.

BB constantly gives the HMs alcohol, even those on the poor side. A few menthols seems basic decency.

not only is spelling not dissimilar but the meanings in terms of greek philosophy and mythology, though not quite synonomous, aren't that far off the mark.

roughly - representative in different ways of selfish/ideal pleasure.

selfish, hmmm?

Deerds

p.s. i dropped philosophy as soon as i could, maybe you and epicurus should have done the same.

Someone posted this image of Jonny earlier .. I presume the link is still valid.

http://bb.peterskipworth.com/files/jonny-fagin.jpg

NO, NO, NO!

OK, fine, he's fake, whatever, I've been conned, he's actually a sublimely fake person who changes his personality to suit the people around him. It's obviously not working, Spencer's seen it, as has Alex, Jade, Tim and Adele. If only PJ, Kate and Sophie would wake up.

But the fact is, I think Jonny is a good person, he has a kind heart, and did you see him and Kate do the foxtrot earlier? They were wicked!!!

I have some questions:
1. What is "elysium"? I only did chemstry to A level and have never come across it.

2. Why should BB cave into Jonny's requests JUST BECAUSE he is a smoker? For the record I am a non-smoker but I fail to see why smokers should get some sort of special treatment.

Jack

Sometimes gets annoyed at the "we're so hard done by" attitude of smokers..
(waits for flaming...)

PS recent studies have shown that nicotine INCREASES stress in men, but DECREASES it in women.
(sorry, off topic but interesting I thought)

big brother arent out of order, they gave jonny the basic thnigs to make fags out of, like they have given them the basic food. that is the whole idea of the poor side.

this is a bit off topic, but i think bb should of taken off them all the extra clothes they wore, the poor side has it too easy!!

Er, Dear Deerd,
"synonymous" (which you spelt wrongly) means having the same MEANING, which makes your sentence gibberish.
What didn't you just say "though not quite THE SAME".

In fact, the whole sentence doesn't make much sense. "...but the meanings in terms of Greek philosophy and mythology..." what does that MEAN?

Jack

see my above post for 'elysium' greek myth paradise and symbol selfish pleasure as the ultimate happiness.

see my post above that by making an addict go cold turkey bb would be placing them at a disadvantage. granted i speak from a nocotine addicts point of view.

interesting about the women thing - i must be atypical then.

not going to flame you - it's a disgusting habit. i wish i never started but at this point i don't have will power to stop.

BUT

sick of standing in the rain outside buildings - a teeny weeny smoking room is surely not too much to ask.

Deerd
addicted

I thought the Elysium fields were where Roman soldiers went when they died.

You should have stuck with it, the early (aristotle etc) stuff is rather dull, but the later stuff is quite interesting.

Jack
loved logic.

pedant - it's bad typing, honest injun!! (ugh i just went into jade mode).

NOT EXACTLY THE SAME

but close - see next post.

can't belive i'm getting stick for being my helpful (kate-like) self. Huff!

Deerd
may not be helpful with useful info again.

I'm not saying they should cave in to his requests, but it is so difficult to stop smoking, that I am sympathetic. Jonny didn't go in there to give up fags, and was probably not told that he'd be expected to smoke roll-ups. Roll-ups can give people sore throats. BB shouldn't impose their views on smoking onto Jonny. Most "poor" people can afford ready-mades anyway.

Not quite .. and it’s the Elysian Fields to be precise, but really.. this is so off topic that someone should be handing out Strikes for it.

urggggh! logic and language - a swan is a swan cos it's a swan not cos a Truth Table proves it's a swan.

'all pigs are pink, i am pink, i am a pig' exercises - i think not (jade obviously being the exception that would f*** that truth table up).

Now political philosophy is a diff bag - give me j.s.mill any day!

just prefer to study that in politics dept.

kant just did my head in!!!

Deerdfor me philosophy didn't lead to eudimonia (wrong spelling but i don't have any Aristotle next to my desk)

Thanks
I can't back up the women=relaxed/men = stressed stuff. I only read the results (ie that Men had higher stress chemicals in their blood after smoking etc..) so can't vouch for them

Thanks for Elysium (saved me havin to look it up (i really am a LAZY cleric: all i do is sit on my chair and say "feck, girls, arse, and DRINK " all day (when I'm awake that is)

I'm glad you day "habit" in the latter part of your posting; when I was actually studying this stuff, we learned that strictly speaking; an addiction is caused by a chemical (ie "drug") that mimics something in the body (eg heroin). Chemicals like nicotine are not mimics (indeed Nicotine is in fact a very potent toxin) so are strictly PSYCHOLOGICAL HABITS.
I'm sure you may have seen "Trainspotting": that's what happens when an ADDICT goes cold T.
People who quit smoking do NOT go through the same thing.
Oh no they don't.

Our office does have a smoking room , but it's become really gross because of the smokers using it... so they go outside now. And how sexy they look...

Jack
slightly off topic.

I remember that he (Spencer) also threatened them in the DR (In a way only Spencer could) that there was "No way I'm going to go from a million fags a day to none,it's just not going to happen" Cut to Assistant Senior Producers hastily convened meeting okay people Spencers losing it and he's going over the wire tonight if he doesn't get his snout either that or he's going through the bars and will get the 3 strikes before you can say Lambert and Butler Silver please !.
No ,I think BB knew what they were doing, a nicotine craving Spencer could not be controlled and no control no BB the proof of this was Spencers reaction to his "basic supplies" BB had regained control ,with Jonnie he doesn't present the same threat.
On the matter of hand rolling = poor, that may be the perception of the young luvvies at C4, but at £9 for 50g the cost against numbers depends on how thick you roll them- try telling the great majority of the Dutch population that they are peasants for smoking their Dark roast orange flavoured horsehair shit shag,
In a smokers world its all about choice

Now that was a 3 fag post

granted off topic: but doesn't nicotine stimulate some of the neurotransmitters (dopamine?). the way jonny feel after nomination he needs some stimulation - i'm sure jade would be willing (anything in trousers) but those bars would be a prob. then again depends how kinky you are i suppose.

Deerd
whose seen all the black lung pictures she needs - thank you very much,

Jade and Adele's reasons, it was uncanny, like they knew what the other was thinking, and they don't spend that much time together.

Tut tut
Do you see where you went wrong with your "all pigs are pink" argument?

Kant: interesting in the context of BB - he thought people should use their own reasoning and NOT be taught to obey the reasoning of others.

I think you're being a bit hard on philosophy: it' s surely only to teach one to think, rather than dictate rules..?

Jack