I don't think it *mimics* them though, whereas heroin etc DO.
I have seen actual lungs of smokers who died (from other causes admittedly) and it's truly beyond my ken how anyone could smoke knowing that would happen to their bodies. (Also seen dead alcoholics' livers too... gross).

jack
not an alcoholic, honest guv.

Frankly if they can't give up smoking for 70 K they should F-ck off.

i'll allow that studying philosophy at 1-2nd year level helps with the research, understanding and dissemination of info in other subject areas.

i can see it has a lot to offer (if it help you become the thoughful, reasoned cleric that you are) - philosophy lecturers and tutors suck.

still managed to average firsts though!!!

Deerd
political philosophy rocks.

p.s. next task in the house should be a quiz on Neitzche - adele would ace it!!!

Me too. I'm a very logical person. It makes so much more sense than real life, don't you think?

Ali
Very possibly a Vulcan

for a priest you're seeing a lot of body parts. hope you give the last rites. will that work on a lung alone or will the poor organ remain in limbo forever.

i'll allow that 70K might work for me. anybody out there offering that kind of money and i'll try.

jack - it's christian duty to save my life - the cheques in the post????

Deerd
with little expectation of 70K or stopping soon

I know that Spock was half Vulcan but that doesn't justify his saying to almost everything "That is not logical" even when logic had nowt to do wth it.
Eg.
Kirk " weather's shit today in't it Spocky, mate"
Spock "That is not logical, Captain"

That's nothing to do with LOGIC Spock you idiot.
PS they may not have actually used those EXACT words....

Ali I like you.
Logical or not.

I am tired.
Tiredness is unpleasant.
Jack doesn't like unpleasantness.
Sleep removes tiredness.
Therefore: i will go to sleep

Goodnight darling
jack
xxxx

Both Jade and Adele's reasoning was based much more on taking notice of what they actually see than anything else; of which many of the BB psychologists are now in agreement on.

Jade & Adele just happen to have the better ‘intuition’ of all of the housemates... It happens that they have made the right choice in selecting Jonny [for similar reasons] because he is both two-faced and false.. this can not be argued or denied… He operates in a more subtle way that some people fail to pick up on…

The teenage girls of this forum really can't make any valid arguments because they are, unfortunately, ruled by other things and often make invalid reasoning at the best of times .. so they are excused for any feelings towards Jonny... but any of the male-following need an early wakeup call, otherwise your going to feel so foolish when its spelt out before you what a rotter Jonny actually is.. and that he’s been making one god-damn big fool of you all…

it's a long time since i was teenager (and i'm ot male).

to suggest that jade has a superior level of perception to other HMs is ludicrous - jade can't even handle self-evaluation far less assess the characters of others. CAMERA HOGGING IS HER SPECIALITY - if only she knew how it makes her look (i don't mean physically, before you try your usual argument to devalue other posts).

as for adele, her perception is coloured/tainted by purely selfish desires/wants/needs. she considers jonny a threat, period. this is the case because her 'intuition' tells her that his honesty and 'hail fellow, well met' attitude could make him a winner. adele claims to forget the cameras are there. i'm beginging to think this may be true because noone with a normal psyche could think that to act her way, with the public viewing, is acceptable.

then again i think it's more likely that she doesn't regard what she is doing as wrong. in which case by any pschological she is a sociopath. her selfish desires and disregard for anyone else do not indicate a hightened 'intuition' in the sense that you suggest. her natural instict is merely to destroy, and keep destroying anyone in her path.

if bb ran adele through the FBI's VICAP offender profile unit i'm sure there would be a red flag pop up.

Deerds
not a teenage girl you can intimidate

Answer: Most smokers would rather go without food than without cigarettes and no matter how poor we get we can always find money for cigarettes - therefore in a true poor house situation we would all be rake thin but would still have ciggies. Also your body has become dependant on the various chemicals etc in cigarettes and thinks it needs them to function effectively, you wouldn't take Timbore's crutches away if he thought he needed them to function as an effective human being, would you?

I must admit I would, but anyway, my point is, its not really special treatment, and the supply would still be limited.

There really is a misconception regarding Jades intellect. I fail to see how on the basis of her [lack of] academic ability, that this somehow forbids her the right to make informed choices on what she actually ‘sees’ taking place in the house. There is no written exam and no IQ test to pass to win the prize. You simply have to reach the end show and hope that the public warm to you in order to win the prize… Your coming out with absolutely pathetic reasoning, really you are.

Jades perceptions of Jonny are based on what she sees taking place in the house. She has seen the more sinister side of his character – she has picked up on the way he has talked about BB in the past, how he has studied the game.. [she has talked extensively on his game-plan, giving indication that she is aware of the strategy of others] .. She has seen his “Sunday night” networking in action [when he makes certain that he is the last to go to bed, channelling in to every conversation looking for pointers as to which housemates are wounded and smelling of blood] .. The man is a complete and utter faker, simple as that.

Jade has been brought up in an environment that affords her the ability to make informed choices on those who surround her; and whilst we can only speculate on her upbringing I am sure that her skills have been improved from this environment alone. The need to place your ‘trust’ and your ‘knife [back stabbing]’ in the right directions for survival. The psychologists are in agreement on her well chosen level of friend and enemy. The girl is still in the game and doing well ..

You need to give both Jade and Adele credit for spotting Jonny for what he really is. Of course, you might not agree with these sentiments .. that’s your choice, but really, sooner or later your going to see it and feel what a fool you’ve been for ever having supported Jonny.

Just don’t say you wasn’t warned,…

my 'pathetic' arguments have little to do with jades level of academic prowess (or lack thereof). although it must be stated that increasing evidence suggests that she is playing the 'helen' card rather than being geuinely educationally challenged. given that i accept this to be the case, it would be (and is) foolhardy to base my arguments on her intellect.

i've always thought that if jade was really as stupid as she makes out then she would be classified a sub-normal and require special assistance (not work in a semi-responsible job).

my argument rests with her lack of perception in allying herself with adele. it is difficult to beleive that either of them thought that they could have long-term success (in the public eye) with their tactics. this shows a decided lack of intuition!!!

jade has taken on the role of adele's cypher (always a perilous one). more often than not she has received the blame, both in and out of the house, for acting on adele's machinations. this indicates a decided lack of intution!!!

she has OVERPLAYED [!!!!!] her chosen role of the 'helen' to an extent where all of the HMs find her laughable but a re beginning to suspect (with their more acute perception) that all with jade's ignorance is not as it seems. overplaying your hand shows a decide lack of intuition!!! apparently drama was her best subject at school - i reckon she's just a ham. (strangely enough that wasn't a deliberate pig [jade] joke - but it is now).

ther are many more points i could make and, on occasion, quote jade verbatum. i have no intention of doing this because my arguments and logic are far more sound than yours.

i wouldn't trust jades intuition if she told me to buy an umberella because it was going to rain. i certainly don't trust it in regard to jonny. she'a adele's cypher and jonny is a threat to adele!!!!!!!!!!!!


Deerd
emailing my old philosophy prof. to check my reasoning and logic with a Truth Table - want me send him your posts????

couldn't have said it better myself! i'm not a smoker but it's not BB's perogative to force people to give up (hence the supply of rollies) but equally they are under no obligation to provide people with their preferred type. I do think they should provide filters though for health reasons... I don't think Jonny was being unreasonable at all - it's not like he threw a strop and a little door-banging never did anyone any harm. As for Tim... what a w*nker...

not the most cogent argument against Tim i could write but i've got work to do...

PS just having a look at Elysium+Deerd's discussion and it seems to me that if Jade were really so good at playing the game she woulnd't get pissed all the time - adeele drinks but rarely lets anything slip which to me shows that she's on top of her game... nasty though it is... as for Jonny, if i were going to go on BB, (and wild horses wouldn't drag me there!!), presumably i'd want to win or do as well as possible adn in that case i'd be a fool not to study the other BBs in great detail! So i don't think that's really a valid point against Jonny... also, whether he is two-faced or not, the fact is that he hasn;t really upset anyone by being horrible to them and hasn;t been bitching about people in the very personal way Jade and Adele have been (towards sophie) in which case he's not exactly 'sinister' or a terrible person.. at worst he's 'canny'.. all the usual disclaimers as to this being my personal opinion apply.. right really off to do some work now!! ack.

Jade's perceptions of people are based on nothing more than the ideas that adele plants in her head.

Back on topic, as a 20 a day smoker, I'd hate roll ups. BUT in the ethos of the game, Jonny is getting baccy to satisfy his nicotine cravings, and no more. He has gone from a 10 a day man to a chain smoker in the house. If he had a bit more sense he would pace his smoking of the baccy, and probably not have a sore throat.

Regarding all the other comments, how do you think smoker patients in hospitals feel when they can't smoke? I don't see the doctors making too many exceptions for smokers on the wards, so clearly they are not as worried as most of you about the medical and psychological implications.

Finally, Jonny is on the poor side, and if he had the supplies of menthols he wanted it's be quite a few fags indeed... and then you could argue why can't the non smokers like Kate have booze for the same money etc etc. This argument can get into a black hole. I think BB done right. And Jonny should get into the spirit of the thing a bit more and stop being so bloomin childish and petty.

That's what whispering is called today, silly me.