*Pharmacologist* - completely different subject. When have we seen what 'Brett' thinks? I'm confused about that.

If Jonny and Kate and PJ are plotting, it's about Jade. So are Alex and Adele. All I can say is about bloody time too!

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100% pharmacology 0%psychology
think the whole brett thing was adele telling others about her 'chat' with him
down with jade............then bring adele quickly behind

Thanks Michelle, and LOL.

I think most of them in there, apart from Tim and Jade, could still redeem themselves if they confront Jade. The biggest shocker for them inside (Jade and Tim especially) would be if there's a huge argument where they come out looking terrible, and Sophie comes out looking good, and then she stays. That would really screw up Jade's 'plans'...

Adele after coming out of the DR having had her session with "Brett" talked about her experience and later went on to say:

"yeah, cos I'm a trained psychologist.. and Brett picked up on it, it was like ... [then explained] wow .. he knows everything about us, even .. you know, little things.. he must be watching all of the time"

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BUT SHE ISNT.........refer to my earlier comment...she did pharmacology not psychology..............i really and truly remember the chat with johnny and never was psychology ever mentioned

I'll ask one more time Elysium, why should Adele win? You keep giving me reasons why Jonny shouldn't win, but why should Adele?

Yes, Jonny and Kate really are plotting. That's why they talked the last ten minutes about how much they want to see Alison. This is part of their intricate plan to win over the hearts of the public, and turn them against the other housemates. You really talk a load of s***.

And I feel so sorry for poor Adele, who feels that Sophie thinks she was part of the bitching about her, when she had nothing to do with it. A deserving winner indeed.

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adele having nothing to do with it my arse!!!!!!!!
Oh the girl gets worse

I am not getting into specifics about why Adele or any other housemate should win the game.. I am simply saying that the way Jonny "plays the game" is in a style that says more about "public" manipulation than "housemate" anything else; .. at least with the other housemates they are "doing the dirty" [lets say] purely on the other housemates.. then coming clean about their true-feelings in the DR.. Jonny operates on a different level .. he's trying to take the *iss out of the public first and foremost, thats been his "game plan" fom the outset.. and thats one of the main reasons he should be kicked out.. because he's fooled *you* and a good many others too..

Wake up girl before you look more of a fool than you will at the end-show when and if he wins.. forget Alex, let Kate win if you like .. I don't care as long as that conniving public manipulating equity-card holder doesn't!

I like Johny and Kate but not to the extent of believing they are the goodies of the bunch. Johny chamaleonic nature is lost on me and Kate use of her poverty status (courtesy of Alex) doesn't help either. Both of them are supporting Sophie but even there they got their battle wrong. Johny advice to Sophie to cope with patience with all the bullying is only going to benefit him. If she were to stand up to Jade and Tim, vote will change for sure and he knows it. He thinks he is such a lovely guy that he is certain Sophie will be the one who goes and his poor family will have travelled for nothing.

Kate trying to help has not done better. Instead of telling Sophie to stand up for herself, she has taken the role of saviour (what a lovely girl!!) but she must know that going from one camp to the other is going to make things worse.

Sophie was robbed on her only redemption from the poor opinion HM and public got of her being a bland character and she will be remembered as a pitiful figure. No the way I would like to leave the house I must say.

I more than agree with you on this point, that Sophie actually stood a fairly decent chance of making the grade this week and surviving.. but it all relied on the need for her to “burst” into a rant with her bullies .. and of course, Jonny knowing exactly what effect this would have on *his* chances dissuaded this course of action.. therefore putting to bed her only chance of survival .. I then expected Kate to give the “you go for it girl..” speech, but similarly failed to give Sophie the advice she needed knowing [deep down] she would much rather have Jonny, her protector, in the house come Friday..

Elysium,

this Jonny obsession is getting a little worrying. You're ignoring the rest of the house and just looking for things to pull the guy up on. He's playing a game just like anyone else. You may as well slag someone off for shouting 'lower than a king' on Play Your Cards Right. Jonny is playing the game, but without trampling over people in the process, unlike some.

If anyone is taking the p*ss out of the public it is Adele. On the C4 show last night she had the utter gall to sit in the DR and say that she doesn't like bitching about HM's to other HM's, that is an insult to peoples intelligence. Adele, we all heard the Skeletor laugh love. Yer rumbled.

Does it not worry you that you are just about the only one with this ridiculous dislike of Jonny? None of your problems with Jonny have any substance at all. I'm pretty indifferent to the guy, but I just can't understand your over the top smearing of him. Your comments yesterday about his tobacco debacle in the DR were so petty, as are your new comments today. Of course you are entitled to your opinion as am i, but at least try and support some of your arguments with some facts that make sense.

BTW, what gives you the right to patronise everyone in this forum? You make comments like the one below :

and thats one of the main reasons he should be kicked out.. because he's fooled *you* and a good many others too..

Wake up girl before you look more of a fool than you will at the end-show when and if he wins..

I don't think he's fooled me and I don't think he's "taking the piss out of the public". What are you talking about? Are you sure you are not the fool that you are accusing everyone of becoming?

The phrases "making mountains out of molehills" and "can't see the wood for the trees" really come to mind in your case.
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She has the same laugh in that famous episode than the rest of the time. Adele loud and quirky laugh doesn't make her a bad person. At the time I though it was scary but it's only because the context in which it was uttered and how it was edited.

The so called "Jonny obsession" works both ways you’ll find - in that you either love him or loathe him .. I would suggest you first take a look at the *same* people who vigorously defend Jonny [time and time again] as though he is the second coming .. not the play-acting-wannabe thespian that he really is..

I don't watch enough BB to know how much Jonny is playing a game since i only have C4, but it does seem to me that whether he is or not, he's not spending his time bitching about everyone else and making people's lives a misery inside the house, like Adele and Jade. And as far as i can see he hasn't exactly been influencing nominations either going for the same sort of people all the time. if he is playing the public for fools then he's clearly doing it very well since 90% of people on this forum like the guy, and in that case good on him! congratulations! if, as i suspect, he's just being mostly himself along with a healthy bit of interest of presenting himself in a good light then good on him too. I really don't understand what about Jonny it is exactly that's riles Elysium so much.

Sorry to get personal but you are coming across severely unbalanced and unhinged. Maybe you should stop watching BB3. It seems to be overtaxing you.

Oh and BTW, Adele can not be a "trained psychologist" as you keep insisting upon. A trained psychologist is a Doctor of Psychology. The absolute minimum time to qualify as a "trained psychologist" is 7 years. Normally it is more like 10 years. (3 year degree, 1-4 years work experience, 3 year PHD)

So Adele must have started University between the age of 13 and 16. I don't think so.

Second Coming?......this is BRILLIANT. You just carry on making yourself look stupid. We're all enjoying it.

The Big Brother “experience” is merely “one big audition” for Jonny. He along with Alison were the only two to hold Equity Cards out of all the housemates; both already having “agents” before entering the show.

Jonny has had small acting roles in a number of productions, one in his home area for the BBC 1 program “Biker Grove” .. He has outlined specifically time-and-time again his great knowledge of the Big Brother programs world-wide.. coming into the house with the “greater knowledge” about the show and how it works.. he has studied the format and the previous shows vigorously, having made contact with at least 1 of the winners of the shows outside of the UK to discover their take on the secret to winning.. He knows full well what to “give” the public, the meek milled mannered Geordie whose always up for being a “bit naughty” and “having a laugh..” – as he’s said, “everyone likes Jonny, how can you not like me ..”

He’s utterly obsessed with Big Brother, constantly fawning over which camera is “on him” at any given time.. Forever going on about his “family having to come down” each time he’s up for eviction .. as though none of the others have friends of family..

If your willing to be taken in by him then that’s entirely up to you.. but he’s certainly playing a lot of people for a fool .. but then again, he’s giving you what you want.. so who really cares at the end of the day whether he’s fake or not… I’m sure when he’s on £70.000 and having a good laugh “behind closed doors” you’ll never get to see what fools you’ve been ..

*Sigh .. *

Canny lad that Geordie ..

At last some common sense and intelligence has entered the place!!!

Wow Elysium, you really are a detective aren't you!! If he's so good at playing the game and manipulating us how come he's been nominated more often than anyone else.

HAve you got something personal against the guy? Because that is sure how it's coming across.

I neither loathe or love him, i'm just indifferent. I just can't stand control freaks like you, trying to make everyone think in the same way that you do.

I'm very surprised Jonny fans overlook the fact that he's an actor.

As I've said before, I've acted and been a member of a theatre company (set design). In my opinion, the man has been acting for quite a lot of the time.

Why doesn't it concern you that Jonny:

i) Has admitted staying up late to give entertaining scenes to camera.
ii) Has admitted he knows the show from the inside out. unlike some of the others who haven't seen any of BB1/ BB2 or both.
iii) Has admitted that he doesn't look at the camera lens in the DR because it makes people look shifty (a tactic that has failed - evasive looks look bad).

Who else has thought this much about the game?

I'd ask Jonny-fans if you don't trust Adele, with her tactics ( as you shouldn't IMO )...

...why on the same hand, do you trust Jonny?

Because you're being inconsistent to say the least.

If all you say is true, why would he have admitted it all? Surely that would be the last thing an "actor with a gameplan" would do?

Really, I don't have a problem with him for any other reason than the manner in which he plays the game [from the point of manipulating the public as opposed to housemates]. I appreciate that many here feel the same way towards Jade, or Adele & PJ and love Jonny to bits.. they see the more obvious scheming from the others and therefore its much easier to spot and criticise.

Adele is talking in the background at the moment with Alex regarding “having it out” with Jonny yesterday about his constant awareness over the cameras. Jonny “admitted” that he plays up to them and is extra sensitive of who they are on at any given time.. and Adele seems to feel better that he’s “at least admitted to it..”

We all have our own views, of course we do .. but there has been enough evidence by both Jonny himself, his actions .. various comments made in both the media and indeed other forums to warrant the perception that Jonny is possibly the most *fake* of all the housemates..

You might not like the idea that he’s been pulling the wool over your eyes for so long.. but unfortunately that’s life; he’s there to win some cash and become famous at the end of the day.. and the boy’s going to do whatever he can to win..

Well good on him then. Big Brother is not about having the nicest person win!!

If he's done as much research into BB as you say he has, then why is that wrong? It sounds like he has made a real effort to understand the best way to win.

Just as a marathon runner must train very hard for a marathon so has Jonny trained for BB. Are you annoyed with Paula Radcliffe for doing so well in the London Marathon because she trained so hard? Why then is it wrong for Jonny to have "trained" for BB?

Oh, and thanks so much for attempting to remove the wool from my eyes. That's just so nice of you.

Jonny has admitted his true-self in an indirect way, just as all of the housemates have; .. none of them can "hide" behind a mask 24hrs a day.. its impossible, the whole environment has been designed to break you at certain points and get to the real you..

We have the good fortunate of being able to put together all of the comments Jonny had made about the "acting" side of his character.. and his obsession with big-brother.. not like we do here, arguing in message forums .. but his studying of BB world-wide.. going out of his way to make contact with at least one previous winner.. buying up DVD's of the series.. every aspect he has gone over as though its "research" to an actor.. He understands what to give the public .. and he is therefore giving the public a 'character' that he knows stands the better chance of winning the game..

Love him or hate him .. he's acting and taking a good many of you for a ride..