Exactly.. providing your aware of his true behaviour and can make a more informed choice on him; .. if you still feel that he should win, thats perfectly fine. It just so happens that most of the public will be voting based on his acting role rather than the real Jonny..

Its just sad that he couldn't be his true self and felt the need to be fake in order to win..

Jonny admits it because as far as he's concerned he's been ' researching a role ' no shame in that. He's been clever, but he hasn't been real. As far as I know his admissions haven't been broadcast on C4, so most of the public don't know the extent to which he's gone to to win.

Planning is nothing to be ashamed of in itself, BUT Jonny's defenders keep on saying he's genuine, when he's very clearly not.

You have to admit this isn't a guy wandering in being himself !

BTW, Elysium's detailed list of Jonny's activities prior to entering the BB house, would be considered outrageous if it had been Adele doing them.

Why do people rightly call Adele on it and not Jonny?. Again, I say it's very inconsistent.

I really find it difficult to see why Elysium and Double have such a problem with Jonny, or anyone else, having an equity card. The ownership of such a thing does not automatically make someone a good actor, the equity card is for all types of performer I believe, dancers, singers, you name it.

However, regardless of that, if the problem with equity cards is that they are merely trying to using BB as a forum for getting themselves seen, well they obviously managed to convince the BB production staff that there was more to them than that. Anyway, so what if they are, people use far more devious ways of getting work. If he started doing mime routines in the mirrors 24/7, it may get tiresome, but he doesn't seem to be performing to the cameras to me. There are far greater performers in there than Jonny!

If the objection is that he has some advantage over the other housemates if he can act (if!) , then surely, trained psychologists (if they be so) should be precluded from entering on the basis that their training could give them some advantage too.

There also seems to be a complaint that he has done some research and paid attention to the game he is playing prior to going into the house. Blimey, someone going into the game prepared and thinking forward, surely not!

Jonny has been down sometimes, but then we have seen that happen to many housemates in the past, it's a very unreal and polarised environment in there. On the whole, whether he is being himself, or playing his game, he comes across well to me.

Just my penny'rth, if it makes me a fool, then I'd rather be a fool for this point of view, than appreciating the gameplay of Jade and Adele!

To be honest, Elysium, reading this thread and others has told much more about BB than watching half hour on C4 ever has done! so i'll take on trust that he's an actor, and his knowledge of BB programs in the past.. But if everything you say is true then it only changes my opinion of Jonny from indifference to respect! Taza'a whole comparison with the marathon thing is a good one and if that's what he's doing then i admire his stamina to do it for 10 weeks.

Most of the public don't watch E4 or look it up on the net so only judge on what they see - if that's 'false' then so what? so Jonny is playing a cleverer game than Adele - good. And the biggest difference is that Jonny's game is NOT hurting anyone else - no one is upset by him - the public don't lose out by him winning etc etc whereas adele is going about potentially being very destructive about people in a calculating way. in my book that is a clearly a reason for preferring Jonny. Who says the winner of BB should be the most genuine person there? i still maintain that truly 'genuine' and 'down-to-earth' people wouldn't go on BB unless their lives depended on it... so if you can find a truly genuine person there i'll eat my hat. BB1 was best because they had little idea what they were getting themselves into...

Why does someone being false bother you so much? It is a fact that the vast majority of humans modify their behaviour depending on situation and circumstance. Double and Elysium are you exactly the same person all of the time to everyone? Humans project themselves differently all the time. I know that if I was in the BB house I'd be so different to how I am right now without being able to help it. Does that make me false?

If I was to meet you at a party or down the pub I might take an instant dislike to you. However if I was to just continue talking to you for the sake of politeness does that make me false? We all do it. The way we are at work to the way we are at home is different. All of mankind is false under your criteria.

Is Tim being himself? He dyes his hair and shaves his chest. Does that make him a false person?

Kate, Jade and Sophie all colour their hair? Does that make them false under your criteria?

Taza,
Pullease! the hair-dye argument is beneath replying to. You can't portray anything the HM's have done to themselves as being remotely equal to the level of preparation that Jonny has put in.

Wishful,
I recall the American BB received a petition/letter begging them not to include actors as HM. Because, hey... they act.



As it is, I have no problem with the preparation of any of the HM. I do have a problem with Jonny's fans ignoring this, or passing it off as totally innocent. I have a problem with anyone, knowing what he's said and done, persisting in calling him genuine.

I wish instead that they'd just admire him for playing the game.

I'm so glad that despite the fact that "my hair-dye argument is beneath replying to" you have chosen to reply. Means a lot to me!!

If you read my posts you'll see that I'm not a Jonny fan. I neither love him or loathe him. There are 2 or 3 people i'd rather see win.

The hair dye argument while petty by my own admission, was just to illustrate a point.

I do admire Jonny for his preparation though I was not aware of it until today. That doesn't mean I'm a blinded Jonny fan. I just can't understand this over the top character assasination of Jonny. If you are going to spend so much of your life in the BB house being bored out of your mind the majority of the time you might as well play to win. If that involves modifying your behaviour so be it.

I agree that Jonny is not being the real Jonny, but he wants to win so why is that wrong? Why? Please explain. No one goes on BB3 to validate to themselves and the general public that they are a good genuine person. They do it for the fame and perhaps the money, not to prove to the nation what fantastic people they are.

You have to accept that out of each of all the housemates that enter the show we are “sold” on the fact that for the most part they are genuinely being themselves.. obviously the first few days is the ‘settling in period’ .. but after that we expect to be judging based on how they genuinely are in the house. Jonny is the *only* housemate who is being “sold” to the public as genuine but is far from it .. and this can not go ignored because it does a disservice to the public.. making choices without being in full view of the facts. Had the majority of the public been *informed* of Jonny and his ‘real agenda’ [and it is an agenda ] he would not have been remotely popular as he is now.. because people would have smelt a ‘rat’ .. and no one likes being taken for a ride in the way Jonny is taking you..

If you can put up with the fact that he’s being less than honest and is ‘faking’ a character in order to win over public sympathy, then fine .. but don’t pretend for one moment that he’s really the “nice, caring sympathetic .. canny Geordie who everyone loves to bits” that he’s portraying.. He’s downright manipulative in a way that is far worse than anything Adele or Jade are doing ..

Just want to say in jonny s defence that he is a great guy .He is caring and thoughtful to Hm he thinks has been given a hard time by others. He has a michevious nature ,up for a laugh and i do think hes geniune(all Hm are aware of cameras ,they are all there to win ,otherwise why put yourself and family through negative publicity and have your whole soul shown to millions of people, I could,nt do it for a million guarrented)

So Jonny is a fireman with an equity card who has had the odd bit of extra work. So what. Do you think that Alex ( a model ) and Adele ( a DJ ) came into the house unaware of the publicity that it could give them? The fact is that everyone in the house is in there for their own reasons and they are all trying to win.

The way I see it is that someone projecting a good image of himself ( false or otherwise ) is far preferable and deserving of 70k than people who viciously bitch, bully and intimidate.

*Sigh* .. its called "acting..." ... there is nothing genuine about Jonny.

Elysium - read my messages properly before replying to them. It will save you repeating yourself and looking stupid, prejudiced and misinformed.

You replied to my post saying:

"If you can put up with the fact that he’s being less than honest and is ‘faking’ a character in order to win over public sympathy, then fine "

My post before that said:

"I agree that Jonny is not being the real Jonny, but he wants to win so why is that wrong?"

I agree with you. READ IT AGAIN. I agree with you. Jonny is not being the real Jonny!! BUT what is so wrong about it. Why shouldn't he want to win.


Your ally "Double" said about Jonny:-

i) Has admitted staying up late to give entertaining scenes to camera.
ii) Has admitted he knows the show from the inside out. unlike some of the others who haven't seen any of BB1/ BB2 or both.
iii) Has admitted that he doesn't look at the camera lens in the DR because it makes people look shifty (a tactic that has failed - evasive looks look bad).

If he's admitted these things on BB how can u accuse him of not being genuine? He admits that he's playing the system. HE ADMITS IT. Therefore your whole argument is negated and you are continuing to look more and more foolish.

Hear Hear!!!!!
Just like to point out to jonny haters , that i have watched alot of E4 and still think jonny is okay , haven,t you been watching Adeles antics she is false if anyone!

Read what Taza has to say ,my point exactly , he is not being false and he deserves to win

Sold? Informed? By whom? Who does this selling and informing.

Really Elysium, you are assuming that we are all just a bunch of lemmings that unfortunately don't match up to your far superior intelligence. Sorry, but yes, I see Jonny as a possible winner in my book, because he plays the game well, I find him entertaining to watch. I don't regard that as being taken for a ride by anybody.

And Double:

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I recall the American BB received a petition/letter begging them not to include actors as HM. Because, hey... they act.

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Well that's fine, then leave out the psychologists as well ... they analyse!

Don't u wish that some people would read your post properly before replying to them with the same crap over and over again!!

Elysium,
When did they let the Geordie in, I'm under the impression that Jonny is a Makum.

Wishful, I agree with u there. What I find so galling is Elysium's attitude. Sure we are entitled to our opinions, but why must it be done in such a condescending, patronising way?

What's all this stuff from Elysium like:- "this can not go ignored because it does a disservice to the public..... making choices without being in full view of the facts".

Why do you see yourself as being more "in full view of the facts"
than me or anyone else out there. Lots of people are watching it more than you probably are? Who says your interpretation of the "full view of the facts" is correct? I certainly don't as you are demonstrating a clear lack of logic, intelligence and integrity.

What are you? Some kind of crusader for justice, protecting the public from their own stupidity. You attempt to use your inferred superior intellect to make a non-existent point. Everyone in the house wants to win. That's why they are there. They have been through an exhaustive process of interviews and assesments before they even stepped foot in the house. All of them want to win. They're not doing it for sh*ts and giggles.

All of your "the public have a right to know" stuff is crap. You remind me of Janet Street Porter. (That's not a good thing in my book btw)

I absolutely agree with you about Jonny. His family have been milking the media for all it's worth too, everytime he's nominated.

Oh for fu*ks sake

Adele is a manipulating *****
Jade the pathetic little bully will get exactly what she deserves after being so cruel. Nobody should've gotten away with the crap she has with all the vote influencing she's been doing.
Tim has come in with knowledge of the house (no matter what he says) and is using that to screw the other contestants

Jonny is REAL. Of course the guys not quite himself after what Sandy said to him that day. Being nominated by your 'house mates' twice while being the least 2 faced member of the house is bound to make the guy paranoid.

Elysium, maybe you're a terrible judge of character. Maybe your drawn to the least likeable types of people. Maybe you have a lot in common with 2 faced bitches......

If you feel that you are being spoken to in a condescending manner then there is every possibility that this is more than warranted by the blind way that you jump onto the Jonny “we love you..” bandwagon before thinking..

If your under the age of 18 and female then really, I have no intention of getting into a debate with you at all.. I’ve said this once before but hormonally you are incapable of making a rational argument based on any male housemate [or housemate in general for that matter].. Your function throughout Big Brother experience is to ‘latch’ on to a male house member [no pun intended] and ‘function’ to vote the person who is the most threat to your male ‘attachment’ .. repeatedly dialing/texting the person who you feel stands in the way of your hormones; with mobile phone generally cemented between your fingers throughout most of the program .. You’re the ‘target-demographic’ and have no function other than to “donate money”.. with the rest of us being able to do the real debating. Your reasoning ability is extremely limited in terms of perception.. clouded by too many other factors.. The best thing that you can do is “giggle” and “vote” … that’s the very nature of the program for <18 females.... "Spencer, Spencer.. We love you.." .. ever so sad, really.

___Jonny___
o) Equity Card holder..
o) With Agent
o) Obsessionaly Studied the shows format, both in UK and globally.
o) Made contact with at least 1 winner from the show outside of the UK
o) Is the most ‘camera aware’ housemate .. regularly creating “public-to-Jonny” moments in which to ‘sincerely’ connect with the public.
.
.
etc..

Obviously “acting” had never crossed his mind.. he’d never do such a thing to win £70.000.

Jeeze.

You know Elysium i think you are being unfair to those people who like Jonny... as i have stated before i have no feelings about Jonny one way or another except that he's not being personally nasty to any of the other housemates which is a good thing in my book... personally i don't give a sh*t if he's playing a game and is manipulating the public - makes him more interesting. That's just my opinion... those people who think jonny is great and genuine, well i don't see why you feel you have to 'unmask' jonny for them- why can't you allow them the right to make up their own minds as you obviously haev done yours... instead we just get cyclical arguments over and over in this thread that are steadily becoming more abusive.. what have you got against teenage girls? i myself am a 26 year old female but i think i can assure you that Jonny is no picture of male perfection and i hardly think the people supporting him on this forum are doing so out of some lustful obsession and it is completely unproductive to impugn other people's opinions like that....

and since half the people you are arguing with (eg Taza) agree with you but are saying (like me) that they are perfectly happy for Jonny to be playing a game, then i really don't see why youa re getting so worked up... your last points about Jonny aren't exaclty a list of terrible personality defects!

Elysium. You arrogant sod.

I'm not female or under 18 so don't infer a hormonal problem, you chauvinistic prat.

READ MY POSTS YOU FREAK. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT? I'm indifferent to Jonny. I neither love him or loathe him.

Read that last sentence about 15 times so it can penetrate into the murky wastes of your shot away mind.

I am not on the 'we love jonny' bandwagon. I don't know many people who are. Personally I find him pretty uninspiring and I don't think he's made BB3 that exciting. If he has been manipulating the public to the degree you think, then he has been woefully inadequate, because I don't think he has made much of an impression on anyone.

I don't think he has a chance of winning; I personally think he'll go this week. That doesn't bother me. I just can't stand your condescending patronising 'holier than thou' attitude.

If Jonny goes, that's that. He did his homework and it wasn't enough.

How does having an agent help you win BB?

How does being an equity card holder help?

How do you know how obsessive he was in researching BB? Were you there?

Do you really think that meeting a previous BB winner will give him a significant advantage over contestants?

Most people I know find his camera awareness and nomination paranoia annoying. Certainly not endearing. So i'd say the lynch pin of your argument is useless since it is more likely to make people nominate Jonny.

Of course he is acting. He wants the fame and the money and will do what he thinks best to get it. All credit to him.

P.S Would you want your family to have to come all the way down from Newcastle everytime you got nominated. Look on a map. It's a long way to come for nothing.

Think also of this. He's lonely in the house and misses his family. His mind his on his family probably most of the time and
quite naturally he thinks about them having to come down 400 miles every time he gets nominated.

ONCE AGAIN ELYSIUM, I don't love Jonny or have any particular feelings for him. I just can't stand your repetitive bullsh*t that has no real argument behind it.

[quoted from public-domain elsewhere]

"Jonny Regan, cheeky fireman and one of the stars of hit reality game-show Big Brother is allegedly a Geordie pretending to be a Mackem. The revelation from one of Jonny's childhood friends has led to an escalation in tension between Geordies and Mackems, both of whom are now claiming Jonny as their own.

Suspicions were first aroused when Jonny, 29, from County Durham, instantly began showing touches of humour, good nature, and personality, characteristics more normally associated with Tynesiders than with dorty Mackems. However, by pretending to be a Mackem, Jonny risks turning the whole of the North East against him.

An unnamed former schoolfriend of Jonny's told us "Jonny is undoubtedly a Geordie through and through. However, he knew that he had no chance of getting on Big Brother as a Geordie, after that gobby bitch from last year, and with Marcus (the commentator) insisting that no-one else be allowed to say 'Deeeeeay fower in tha Big Brutha howse' in that accent. So he moved to Durham and started living the life of a Mackem, just to get on Big Brother."

Throughout the last two years, Jonny has immersed himself in the Mackem lifestyle, drinking Vaux, driving a Nissan and even going to a Sunderland match (all within the space of an hour). He also began secretly wearing women's clothing.

So far the tactic appears to be working, with Jonny one of the favourites to win the competition. However, with the possibility of being disowned by the Geordie Nation, he may well soon be wondering if it is a price worth paying for a moment in the spotlight."

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Elysium

You sound like the sort of guy who gets off on telling little kids that Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny aren't real. Probably using the logic, they have a right to know, because they are not real.

Why do you feel the need to change peoples opinion to such a degree?