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Old 06-10-2005, 12:58
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I love Emmerdale... reckon it's actually the number one soap at this moment in time for the sheer quality of the stories on offer at the moment, but i'm really starting to see cracks in the acting ability of most of the King's involved in this with the exception of Tom.

Patsy Kensit has always been pretty wooden, only really coming into her own during the Zoe trial/leaving story, but last night she had reverted back to her usual self... there was no real emotion in her scene with Tom (and considering she actually does seem to care for Tom, you'd expect there to be more from her).

Matthew plays the menacing schemer to perfection, but his scene in the car with the tear last night was embarrassing. His eyes weren't even red... it was obvious that the tear had been "planted."

I find Jimmy quite painful to watch at times, he doesn't seem to know if he's playing it tough or sensitive, and the change between the two emotions never seems natural from him (compare with someone like Diane who was amazing with the cancer scenes).

Carl is getting better, but he has a habit of sort of smiling (like Kate Ford in Corrie) when he's meant to be angry or upset...

Tom was brilliant last night... although his voice is getting gruffer by the episode, his emotion is pretty spot on.

I reckon we'll get to see more weaknesses in their abilities as this story goes on, and that's a shame, because the King's have been an integral part of the soaps new fortunes, and this overuse of them might now be the soaps downfall.
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Old 06-10-2005, 13:02
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Don't agree Andy. Tom is by far the most hackneyed and cliched actor amoung them. Jimmy is the best and reveals the complexities of his character really well, he's the most interesting cos he's the most conflicted.
Carl's interesting too, and the only one with kids, kind of happy go lucky type.
Matthew and Sadie are more two dimensional but their characters are two dimensionally bad.
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Old 06-10-2005, 13:03
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I actually thought the Kings showed some proper acting ability for once last night - at least there was a range of emotions on show. Apart from Sadie - Patsy was ok as a child actor - she should have stopped there.
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Old 06-10-2005, 13:03
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I have to disagree, other than the Patsy Kensit comment.
Ok fair enough, Ken is a good actor... but the character of Tom is SO annoying, particularly at the moment.
I think Tom/Carl was brilliant last night, I know he's always smiling but he is just a very smiley person... I can't think of a time when i've noticed him smiling when he's been upset or whatever. But maybe I haven't noticed. I certainly thought he was brilliant last night.
I only caught a glimpse of the scene with Matthew, as I was busy with my mobile phone! But I didn't see a problem with that, I thought the tear was a nice touch, as opposed to him sobbing his heart out, which he wouldn't realistically do. And it's hard to make yourself cry just a tear.
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Old 06-10-2005, 13:04
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When Tom started acting i thought the poor man was going to have a real heartattack i bet the crew thought the same thing trying to calm him down
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Old 06-10-2005, 13:11
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I guess i'll have to watch the omnibus and see the episode again... it just didn't seem genuine to me while watching last night.
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Old 06-10-2005, 13:28
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I thought they were all on form last night. Especially Carl.And can not WAIT to see Matt crying tonight.
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Old 06-10-2005, 13:38
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I agree with you Andy, I think your observations are spot on.... there was a serious lack of despair, and anguish at th eloss of the lovely Max... who seemed to be the only family member to suffer the misfortune of compassion..

Tom, is by far, a better actor, probably "old school" whereas, I find Patsy Kensit the most inappropriate part of all... she plays cold and calculating beautifully, but when other emotions are required, she doesn't do well....

Carl, comes across as young and fun, and can't take his brothers seriously.. thank god.. as Jimmy displays enough stress and panic for everyone..

Matthew on the other hand, needs to get really drunk, and really let go, just once... to let us see another side to him..

but I fully agree with your views.... better was expected...

p.s. Real Big coppout, killing off Max... predicatabe, and expected... a real chance was lost, by the producers in the conclusion to the saga...
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Old 06-10-2005, 14:48
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Originally Posted by dingledangle
Jimmy is the best and reveals the complexities of his character really well, he's the most interesting cos he's the most conflicted.
LMAO, you've made my day, I'll never stop laughing. Jimmy is no way interesting he's dumb dumb dumb. Get real would you, put your fascination with Nick Miles a side & open your eyes to see how poor the character of Jimmy is. Please dont try to make him out to be something he isnt.
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Old 06-10-2005, 14:52
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My favourite King (that's still alive anyhow) is Carl, Tom Lister played him to perfection last night in my opinion. A highly criticised one, no doubt...
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Old 06-10-2005, 14:57
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Originally Posted by Snapp
LMAO, you've made my day, I'll never stop laughing. Jimmy is no way interesting he's dumb dumb dumb. Get real would you, put your fascination with Nick Miles a side & open your eyes to see how poor the character of Jimmy is. Please dont try to make him out to be something he isnt.
That was rather rude

Think about what you are saying before you say them please. You don't tell another person to 'get real', not when they're discussing their favourite actors/characters. We all have our opinions and we should all learn to respect each others opinions.
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Old 06-10-2005, 15:05
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Originally Posted by Evannah
That was rather rude

Think about what you are saying before you say them please. You don't tell another person to 'get real', not when they're discussing their favourite actors/characters. We all have our opinions and we should all learn to respect each others opinions.
No he's right, I feel chastened, what he said got to me so I've consulted a doctor. Seems I am deluded and need medication, apparently Jimmy is officially a rubbish character and I'm the only one that hadn't seen it.
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Old 06-10-2005, 15:06
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I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion of a character I am personally not a huge fan of Jimmy I was v disappointed with him on Monday but I have been very impressed with him the last two days.

Carl was wonderful yesterday and I'm hoping we'll see it's Matthew's turn tonight
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Old 06-10-2005, 15:11
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Originally Posted by charli em
I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion of a character I am personally not a huge fan of Jimmy I was v disappointed with him on Monday but I have been very impressed with him the last two days.

Carl was wonderful yesterday and I'm hoping we'll see it's Matthew's turn tonight
Can't understand why nobody gets what Jimmy was doing on Monday. He was well shocked then just concentrated on looking after his Dad. I agree he wa better Tues and Wed, but that's just cos he had more to do as he slowly allowed himself first of all to be angry with his Dad (and himself) and then to grieve.

Well he keeps making me cry anyway, so he must be doing something right.
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Old 06-10-2005, 15:45
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Originally Posted by charli em
I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion of a character I am personally not a huge fan of Jimmy I was v disappointed with him on Monday but I have been very impressed with him the last two days.

Carl was wonderful yesterday and I'm hoping we'll see it's Matthew's turn tonight
I'll be honest and probably annoy a lot of people, but I actually find him worse than PAtsy. Her wooden-ness (sorry) only adds to the calculating and cold side to her character IMO. I just cannot see the appeal of the rest of them however.
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Old 06-10-2005, 16:04
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hey dude ur totally entitled to think that. We all have our opinions. It'd be a boring world if we all had the same.

Who do u find worse than Patsy? Cos I thought Carl was great!

Regarding Jimmy, I just felt he wasn't even doing shock well on Monday, but again that's just my opinion, I can see your point as well dingledangle
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Old 06-10-2005, 16:05
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Originally Posted by charli em
hey dude ur totally entitled to think that. We all have our opinions. It'd be a boring world if we all had the same.

Who do u find worse than Patsy? Cos I thought Carl was great!

Regarding Jimmy, I just felt he wasn't even doing shock well on Monday, but again that's just my opinion, I can see your point as well dingledangle
Jimmy i find worse than Patsy at times... sorry that post of mine was quite confusing reading it back...
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Old 06-10-2005, 16:14
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I don't entirely agree, but I see exactly what you're saying.

Tom is just brilliant - one of the best male actors in the show along with Jack Sugden, and really outshines his whole family. Yes his character can be annoying, but I really like him, and he is acting true to character so far.

Matthew - I agree the tear scene was dodgy (reminds me of Nigel Harman's rubbish tear scene in the Vic that everyone thought was brilliant ), but I do beleive he's a good actor, and having seen the clip for tonight, I'm quite impressed. I think there is more potential in him than any of the Kings.

Carl - yeah, too smiley, but he's decent enough. I think the smiley thing is just the way he looks in real life, just like how Debbie is always miserable...LOL. It doesn't hamper his acting too much.

Jimmy I think is dreadful in a lot of scenes, but in the last two episodes has been impressive.

As for Sadie - notice how she was left out of being told that Max was dead, I wonder why? lol, obviously knew she wasn't capable of the emotional scenes Although remember it was only two weeks ago she said the only thing she cared about were animals. And herself, natch.

They're a strong family overall, imo.
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Old 06-10-2005, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Drifter
I don't entirely agree, but I see exactly what you're saying.

Tom is just brilliant - one of the best male actors in the show along with Jack Sugden, and really outshines his whole family. Yes his character can be annoying, but I really like him, and he is acting true to character so far.

Matthew - I agree the tear scene was dodgy (reminds me of Nigel Harman's rubbish tear scene in the Vic that everyone thought was brilliant ), but I do beleive he's a good actor, and having seen the clip for tonight, I'm quite impressed. I think there is more potential in him than any of the Kings.

Carl - yeah, too smiley, but he's decent enough. I think the smiley thing is just the way he looks in real life, just like how Debbie is always miserable...LOL. It doesn't hamper his acting too much.

Jimmy I think is dreadful in a lot of scenes, but in the last two episodes has been impressive.

As for Sadie - notice how she was left out of being told that Max was dead, I wonder why? lol, obviously knew she wasn't capable of the emotional scenes Although remember it was only two weeks ago she said the only thing she cared about were animals. And herself, natch.

They're a strong family overall, imo.
I usually always agree with you, and i'm sort of doing the same here... I don't mind them as a family... I think they're much needed in the soap because a village like that wouldn't have many stand alone characters... it's just with the heavy stuff they've needed to portray over the last 3 days, I don't feel they've done the script or the writing any justice at all, and I reckon people are going to start agreeing with people who post on here that say they are completely over-exposed because of it.
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Old 06-10-2005, 16:29
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Oh they're definitely over-exposed anyway. They've probably had the most screentime all year, which is ridiculous considering they arrived LAST year. Mind you, you could say the same about the Slaters arriving in EE in 2000, and dominating the show a year later...

Val arrived around the same time as the Kings and I don't mind that she's so prominent at all (already one of the best characters in it), but "fresh" families can be harder to take.

They usually stay the right side of good for me though. However I wouldn't be sad to see the back of Jimmy . In just normal, regular scenes I often find him wooden and irritating.
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Old 06-10-2005, 16:31
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Originally Posted by CharmedLassie
My favourite King (that's still alive anyhow) is Carl, Tom Lister played him to perfection last night in my opinion. A highly criticised one, no doubt...
Same here.......and he's a bit dishy!!!
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Old 06-10-2005, 16:51
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Oh they're definitely over-exposed anyway. They've probably had the most screentime all year, which is ridiculous considering they arrived LAST year. Mind you, you could say the same about the Slaters arriving in EE in 2000, and dominating the show a year later...

Val arrived around the same time as the Kings and I don't mind that she's so prominent at all (already one of the best characters in it), but "fresh" families can be harder to take.

They usually stay the right side of good for me though. However I wouldn't be sad to see the back of Jimmy . In just normal, regular scenes I often find him wooden and irritating.

As I said originally, he's the one I find the most irritating. Agree with your Val comments too!!
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Old 06-10-2005, 17:48
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I wonder if Patsy would be able to display more emotion if she hadn't had quite so much botox.

Her expression never changes.
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Old 06-10-2005, 17:56
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I know...and her effect is rubbing off on Emily Symons, who is getting botox done after her influence lol

who next...Edna?
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Old 06-10-2005, 18:50
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I thought by your title you were saying that Emmerdale had made a big mistake killing off Max. I would certainly agree with that point of view!

Last night I thought Tom and Carl were very convincing in their grief. Sadie was incredibly wooden. I thought she was meant to really care about Max, but she didn't exactly look devastated!
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