You're all concentrating yourself on Adele... I know she's now up for nomination but the bitching session on her have gone on for quite some time... Could we keep a thread she is not the main subject? I dont especially like her but I find she gets way to much stick when PJ behaved in a much worse manner...

He has used Jade for sexual favours, then told her in a chat with her and Jonny that she has been manipulated etc... then goes on to say behind her back that she is manipulative and nominates her....

Now there is someone that is playing a clever game caus he does all that and goes unnoticed... even appear in people favourite list for the last three... how does he get away with it... caus he's a lot more covert than the others... Adele is not playing a clever game with the viewers... she says things clearly.... PJ is... he distord other people opinion within the house without ever revealing his own... therefore doesnt appear to be bitching...

I find him v. sly indeed...

Mireille

Good word to use "covert" That's the game he's playing - and he's doing it well too. Bet he's a good poker player

Needs must, Mireille.. needs must.

PJ... he'll get his turn if he does anything interesting. Right now he's just the typical graduate intern - doesn't do much and nobody takes any notice really.

Of course, in 20 years' time, when he's a senior partner in Bloggett, Snurds, Prunt and Quogg, and has just sent Macaulay Culkin down for grotesque sexual aberrations, we'll all eat our words.

But until then...

MG
you're obviously lost dear boy, I can't see a single mention of Davina in the first post!

Though I'm sure you can turn this into a Davina thread !

JAck
on that note: goodnight dude, c u tomorrow.
(hopefully with beautiful assistant will be back too) mmmm

well he's a lawyer... I live with one... they teach them in law school to watch every word you are saying....

was worried that I got covert right (english not beeing my first language as u know MGOM... ) I figured covert operation in the army... lol... sorry diverting the subject...

but yeah, as a lawyer he is more aware of how to play the general puplic, how to influence people to get what he wants out of them without ever breaking the law/the rules...

Mireille

mgom will be dreaming about davina and strip poker now

Quite right, mireille, I find PJ truly loathsome.

Much as I don't like Jade, I think PJ treated her pretty shabbily. He has a pretty low view of women and a pretty high opinion of himself and his own sense of sexual prowess (although he's sometimes being ironic too).

Totally agree with you, he was part of the original in crowd, Jonny, kate, Alison, PJ and Spencer (till Jonny annoyed him). Then when Alison was evict, he started to think differently and was seen to speak to Alex and Sandy more. After Spencer, he really leaned towards the Adele & Alex camp (thinking they must be popular with the public), as the Jonny crowd looked like imploding. Then when the psychologist interfered, sending Jade into a spin, and gave Jonny ideas, the whole dynamics change, and Jonny's group was back on the road. And PJ decided to drop Alex and Adele and was there to tell Jonny how he had sussed out Adele weeks ago. So now the original group is back, Jonny, Kate and PJ, the only thing to decide now is, which one will win.

Jade sexual favours didn't do her any good, he still nominated her.

He's the most cunning in there, but because he's now with the in crowd again, nobody on here will give a sh$t. Why, because he will help get their beloved Jonny and Kate to the last three, thats all that matters at this stage, but his plan will fail at the final stage, then he will realises he has been used also.

Exactly, PJ is pretty cunning, but folk chose to ignore it. Well, he hasn't fooled me. I've seen how he's been working as well, and I haven't forgotten that he was part of the original 'in-crowd' before the divide went up. Since he's been back on the same side as the other 'in-crowders', he's been bitching like a good 'un. So, don't anyone try and make out that PJ is Mr. Squeaky Clean, cos he isn't.

You can't compare PJ to Adele. I don't think PJ is really playing a game. He's always liked Kate and Jonny. He's always had a love/hate relationship with Jade. His negative opinion of Adele was cemented after spending a week with her and her cronies on the rich side.

The only person PJ has been inconsistent toward is Alex. But then, so has evryone including the public. Alex was disliked in the first week because all the irritating sides of his personlaity were shown. After the divide went up PJ (and Spencer) spent more time with him away from the group and grew to like him. Unbeknown to PJ, Adele and Jade filled Alex's rather empty head with the idea that PJ and Spencer actually didn't like him. Hence Alex's decision not to pick either PJ or Spencer after the darts task. Without the knowledge of Adele and Jade's hatchet job PJ was obviously confused by Alex's decision.

PJ has repeatedly said that there are two people in the house taht he doesn't trust - Jade and Adele. Jade and Adele have been the instigators of 98% of the bitching in the house, and PJ has been on the recieving end on several occassions. He is right to be wary of them.

They all bitch and take the mick.

Sandra Scott, the BB psychologist said so as well on RI:SE.
Could be media manipulation by her to make things closer, but I don't think so.

Yeah, about P.J.
I think it's a matter of timing, and maybe Peej has drained all the hate from the people on this forum a week or so back.

He's definitely playing a more cunning game than Adele.

I' d just prefer it If Adele wins the battle against P.J. because in my mind his "crimes" are worse.

We haven't forgotten you yet P.J.

But is it not funny that he only tells how he had sussed her out, once the psycologist had spoken to jade, and jade went to Jonny.

As to not picking PJ after the darts, Alex new what he was doing alright, just didn't have the guts to admit it. Probable got fed up hearing the homophobic jokes, and carving on the table.

PJ said from the start, that it was Alex and Sandy, that he didn't get on with, didn't have a proplem with anyone else, it was only after they survived the vote with Alison, did he start to think again.

But again i'll ask, when did PJ reveal that he has distrusted Jade and Adele? Cause this is the first time he has nominated them. The first time that i heard PJ say anything about being wary of those two was after the psychologist spoke to the group.

Although Jade and Adele are class bitchers, I think even they would be hard pushed to have 98% of the bitching, consisdering Jonny bitches about people nominating him for the whole week he's nominated, why me, why me. Kate's bitched about Alex and Sandy. Lee, he just bitched about whoever he wasn't with at the time. etc etc

"PJ has been on the recieving end on several occassions"

And that not just bitching either. Pity it didn't help Jade out though. Still for someone he's wary of, he's being very nice to her today, maybe guilt.

Anyway that's just my take on things.

I think PJ is quite a shady character. How any woman can say anything good about him? He confessed on having cheated his girlfriend, even with her own friends, married women. Does he thinks BB is Jerry Springer Show?

I will be most ashamed if a boyfriend of mine went on TV talking about him cheating me when I was unaware of such deception.

He treats women like shit and I am surprise there are people in this forum prepare to talk in his favour.

Any person with respect towards women should stop him placing himself in the top 3 favourites.

Come on u lot, P.J. aint that bad! So he cheated on his bird, so what! At least he hasnt hid it from anyone, he's only 22 and I say let the man live, let the man live!!

Well, I agree with your take on things.

PJ's been a nasty piece of work ever since he entered the house, and bitched with the best of them.

Everyone's done it, so people shouldn't try to make anyone out to be squeaky clean, 'cos they aren't.

PJ has only survived this long by not threatening anybody, his "who will be my Daddy" speech on Spencer's eviction night was a classic example of that. The public don't particularly like him and he will probably only make it to the final four by default, because he's never been up for eviction. Unless he suddenly comes to life he will probably get the least votes when the public votes on who they want to win and he will hardly be missed.

out of 25, 13 people have put him in their favourite 3... grrrrr!!

Just a thought, what if PJ had been with Kate and not Jade, and had treated Kate badly, what would the response be on this forum, do you think he would still be in people last three.

Is it only because it was Jade, who everybody seems to hate, that it doesn't seem to matter what he has done.

Would you say the same if your girlfriend cheated on you with your best mate and confessed it on National TV? No only that. She cheated with 10 guys. Male standards are quite funny!

C'mon, if P.J. had been with Kate then im sure he would have counted his blessings and it would have been Kate treating P.J. badly

You can't compare PJ to Adele. I don't think PJ is really playing a game. He's always liked Kate and Jonny. He's always had a love/hate relationship with Jade. His negative opinion of Adele was cemented after spending a week with her and her cronies on the rich side.

The only person PJ has been inconsistent toward is Alex. But then, so has evryone including the public. Alex was disliked in the first week because all the irritating sides of his personlaity were shown. After the divide went up PJ (and Spencer) spent more time with him away from the group and grew to like him. Unbeknown to PJ, Adele and Jade filled Alex's rather empty head with the idea that PJ and Spencer actually didn't like him. Hence Alex's decision not to pick either PJ or Spencer after the darts task. Without the knowledge of Adele and Jade's hatchet job PJ was obviously confused by Alex's decision.

PJ has repeatedly said that there are two people in the house taht he doesn't trust - Jade and Adele. Jade and Adele have been the instigators of 98% of the bitching in the house, and PJ has been on the recieving end on several occassions. He is right to be wary of them.

I had completely forgotten about Jade's little role in turning the tide against Spencer and PJ when she birched them up to Alex! Thanks for reminding me...
I think Alex was getting pissed off with their homophobic shite as well. It feels like an age ago, but Spencer and PJ were really rough on Alex. Sounds cruel, but even though I liked Spencer, I'd find it funny if he had to watch 'Gay' Alex get off with Kate on national TV. I don't think Spencer really cared that much for her anyway - he was quite a heartless little shit around her most of the time.

..sorry about double quote on previous post!!
all fingers and thumbs tonight!

PJ and Jade was a drunken mistake that was viewed by many he was obviously embarrassed and didnt handle it to well but the're both young with less than a year between them in age.

He was a bit cold to her when he should have said something but alot if not most men arn't as good when talking about anything emotinal or deep etc plus it was Jade who got in his bed naked and not visa versa.

As far as I'm concerned a drunken episode which there for the grace of God go many of us, but lucky us not on film and or under such scrutiny.

No I wouldnt say the same. It would hurt my feelings. oh well