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Why is some type of music considered more worthy than others?
I have read a number of posts on here recently that seem to condemn one type of music over another - suggesting that its more worthy or something.
OK so "bland" "Boyband" may not be to your taste, however, Westlife have had a very succesful career churning out just that sort of pop, and have this week racked up there 13th number one. Why is it that this type of music is less worthy than something released by Coldplay, or Nirvana. Music is music at the end of the day. Its like comparing a DH Lawrence Classic with a Jane Mansell Chick Lit - yes the DH Lawrence might be considered a classic of its time, and Jane Mansell a bit of throw away lit for a cold rainy day in Preston, however, personally I enjoy reading both and isn't that what it should be about? Shayne has been described as "boy bland" yet someone like Maria is being far more credibility. I happen to think they are both very good, and both appeal to different types of market. However, one market is no less worthy than other. Music is there to be enjoyed - if that manages to make a policitcal statement along the way then great, if however, its jjust about dancing round your handbags on a Saturday night then that is great too. I wish people would just discuss things in relation to their own taste, and not try and state that just cos someone likes "Boybland" then they are any less worthy that someone who listens to music to slit your wrists to. |
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Your fatal mistake is thinking you can link musical credability with chart rankings.
The Crazy Frog managed #1....... |
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Fortunately, I like and enjoy all forms of music and have spent my life around so many different acts.
I like BoyBland and GirlBland and Classical and Country and Rock and Rock 'n' Roll and Haunting Ballads and MOR and... and... NEVER will I become a music snob and state as some sort of fact that because I like it, it is in some way better or more worthy a song than your choice. As for Coldplay - they used to be brilliant! Nowadays, (TO ME) they are painfully boring. |
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Hi Cornchips
I think in the last bit of your last sentence you fell into the trap you were arguing against. Unless Ive misunderstood, in which case, sorry. |
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Originally Posted by MaxCherry
Your fatal mistake is thinking you can link musical credability with chart rankings.
The Crazy Frog managed #1....... - she said it made her laugh ). The fact that they have chart success shouldn'tmean they are less credible than someone who churns out "seriously good" music - but sells very little.If people enjoy listening to it then to me its good credible music and deserves no less consideration than some of the other more highly praised music.
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Hi Cornchips
I think in the last bit of your last sentence you fell into the trap you were arguing against. Unless Ive misunderstood, in which case, sorry.
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ahh.ok CC!
![]() On a side point about 'worthy' music I notice some threads in music forums in general that say 'So and so is overrated'. when really the poster is just saying who they dont like personally How can you objectively 'rate' an act, if not to rate them by commercial success?. surely anything else is just personal taste. For eg, 'Westlife are overrated'. Clearly they are'nt and the statement is just personal opinion, rather than an objective viewpoint?. How can you access how to objectivly rate an act(ie not personal opinion), if not by commercial success?. Many acts get rave reviews through the years, but sell relativly little. Yes, they have been 'rated' by the reviewers, but not by the public as a whole. |
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That is my point though. I hated that stupid frog, however, lots of people enjoyed him or else they wouldn't have bought the single (and to my eternal shame my old aunt was one of them
- she said it made her laugh ). The fact that they have chart success shouldn'tmean they are less credible than someone who churns out "seriously good" music - but sells very little.If people enjoy listening to it then to me its good credible music and deserves no less consideration than some of the other more highly praised music. ![]() ) to Paul Weller stopping off at just about every type in between!I understand that Midge Ure still gets a tad miffed if anyone says 'Joe Dolche' to him ................ |
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The fact that they have chart success shouldn'tmean they are less credible than someone who churns out "seriously good" music - but sells very little.
Are you kidding? |
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Max
I do not like Westlife at all. But they are extremely successfull and are just as entitled to credibility as anyone. imo |
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ahh.ok CC!
![]() On a side point about 'worthy' music I notice some threads in music forums in general that say 'So and so is overrated'. when really the poster is just saying who they dont like personally How can you objectively 'rate' an act, if not to rate them by commercial success?. surely anything else is just personal taste. For eg, 'Westlife are overrated'. Clearly they are'nt and the statement is just personal opinion, rather than an objective viewpoint?. How can you access how to objectivly rate an act(ie not personal opinion), if not by commercial success?. Many acts get rave reviews through the years, but sell relativly little. Yes, they have been 'rated' by the reviewers, but not by the public as a whole. I often struggle to see why a particular artist is getting such rave reviews - when personally I just can't see it. Doesn't mean that others are wrong and I am right, it just means that they are not to my taste. |
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Are you kidding?
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... I understand that Midge Ure still gets a tad miffed if anyone says 'Joe Dolche' to him ................
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To be honest this is all a matter of preference. The reason boy bands are slated nowadays is that the music was successful for along time and got saturated with acts, loads of which could not sing.
For every Take That there is another 10 replicas without any talent having a brief run in the charts. Perhaps the perception is that the copy cats make money and ascertain chart success purely because of their looks and teen pop fanbase. Perhaps it has just become slightly outdated and overdone. 4tune could sing(sic) but they were very forgettable. Phil is trying to bring Shaky and CLiff back, Neither of those artists would have a successful career if they were born into the music of now. Perhaps boybands have moved from the westlife/boyzone style acts to the Busted/Mcfly type of music. WHo knows? Music goes in and out of fashion. If Adam Ant, CUlture Club or any other new romantics realised that type of music again what do you think would happen? |
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No. Would like to put forward an argument as to why they are not credible then if you disagree?
I'm not going to embarras my self explaining why the crazy frog is not credable. |
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I suppose in the same sense that a carefully prepared roast dinner is genuinely regarded to be more worthy of praise than a pot noodle or a bowl of custard. One might favour one over the other, but there may be more substance to the other perhaps?
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Geezer
Perhaps boybands have moved from the westlife/boyzone style acts to the Busted/Mcfly type of music. WHo knows? Music goes in and out of fashion. If Adam Ant, CUlture Club or any other new romantics realised that type of music again what do you think would happen? On the other hand, he can't see why some people just can't admit they were just very, very lucky and that with little to set them apart from anyone else they were just in the right place at the right time and just suited the mood/look at the time (I think Victoria Beckham could have been mentioned) and when it's all over and the next big thing arrives, just say thanks for the ride and make a graceful exit! |
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I suppose in the same sense that a carefully prepared roast dinner is genuinely regarded to be more worthy of praise than a pot noodle or a bowl of custard. One might favour one over the other, but there may be more substance to the other perhaps?
Personally, i enjoy many types of music, but i can differentiate between what is 'worthy' and what is, essentially, pap. Commercial success does not equal credibility, nor does popularity. Credible music does not, however, mean 'music to slit your wrists to.' It is music which nourishes the listener, gives the listener something out of it, changes their perceptions or gives them new concepts. Popular music is not usually 'credible music' because people in general would rather listen something that is easy on the ear and requires no brain power or thinking. |
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I think with the likes of Westlife & Bozone etc - its not so much the actual music, more what they make it.. for a lot of people music has to mean something, it has to portray some emotion and real feeling so that they can believe in it and so that it transports them.. The likes of Westlife take a song written by someone else and make it a bland, formulaic carbon copy of everything else they have sung. I say this hesitantly but the same could be applied to G4 imo..
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I don't think Westlife are less worthy/credible than the singers & groups I like, nor do I think that they (or anyone else) are overrated (stupid thing to say about anything). I just HATE them and wish they would **** off and/or die.
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I don't think Westlife are less worthy/credible than the singers & groups I like, nor do I think that they (or anyone else) are overrated (stupid thing to say about anything). I just HATE them and wish they would **** off and/or die.
ROFL!
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I think with the likes of Westlife & Bozone etc - its not so much the actual music, more what they make it.. for a lot of people music has to mean something, it has to portray some emotion and real feeling so that they can believe in it and so that it transports them.. The likes of Westlife take a song written by someone else and make it a bland, formulaic carbon copy of everything else they have sung. I say this hesitantly but the same could be applied to G4 imo..
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good point, well made.
Personally, i enjoy many types of music, but i can differentiate between what is 'worthy' and what is, essentially, pap. Commercial success does not equal credibility, nor does popularity. Credible music does not, however, mean 'music to slit your wrists to.' It is music which nourishes the listener, gives the listener something out of it, changes their perceptions or gives them new concepts. Popular music is not usually 'credible music' because people in general would rather listen something that is easy on the ear and requires no brain power or thinking. What if we do not want music to change our perceptions, and after all why should it - the writer in that case is no more than a political lobbyist, or a propoganda merchant, as after all it is only their view of the way things should be. My argument is that all music has its place, in equal measure. Sometimes we want meaningful lyrics that appeal to our thinking at that time, sometimes we want uplifting melody that raise our mood, and sometimes we just want background music, or music to have a dance to on a Saturday night. In my view whatever the reason for us listening to music, as long as we the listner get something out of it, then that music is credible. |
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Cornchips, what you are discussing is if one form of art can be better than another. If you have ever thought that one painting is better than another, one TV programme is better made than another or one book contributes more to culture than another, then you are doing the same as that which you deplore in others regarding music.
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Geezer
If Adam Ant, CUlture Club or any other new romantics realised that type of music again what do you think would happen?
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