i saw the clip and she does live in a horrible place.
However what was the justification in showing this. Are they playing the sympathy card for jade? We haven't seen where anyone else lives or had their mother's on every program on tv.

We’ve seen Alex’s house recently and in previous series saw others including Penny’s tack-fest of a flat.

I dare say the visibility of Jade’s mother is down to her ringing tabloids/TV stations incessantly and offering "exclusives" in exchange for beer and tab money. She should put some of the money toward a tin of paint instead - that place was a shit-hole.

I gather Alex's parents home has been shown and they have been on a few times.

But I think that Jades mum is quite enjoying any chance of "fame", therefore will volunteer to do and say anything.
She is probably more willing to put herself forward than the other HMs families.

I think they did it to counteract all the negative publicity Jade has been getting in which her appearance and her low IQ have been used as weapons to attack her.

I think the press have been absolutely reprehensible in their treatment of Jade, I'm disgusted with the way some people talk about her - as if she were just a thing rather than a real human being.

Yes, she agreed to go into the house, but that doesn't mean she automatically loses all right to that bit of respect all our fellow humans deserve.

Mind you - if it were Jonny we were talking about - fair game. The man is a MINGER

Phew, thank god I managed to read all the way to Straker's post, I was getting seriously worried that everyone had been beaten with the stupid stick

Jade has been as bad as Adele was if not worse, she has manipulated and deceived everyone and only changed slightly when she was given hep long talk with the shrink. I cannot believe how easily you all have the wool pulled over your eyes.

Keep Jade in ? NO, vote her and her nasty ways out, if you dont then you are basically saying its ok to be a backstabbing bitch. Have you all forgotten the treatment Sophie got? How about the loud and unstoppable mouth that Jade has got? I dont give a toss what her background is, she is repugnant and should go.

Nice.

anyone who has lost their childhood by being a child carer and ends up half as well rounded (no pun intended) as jade deserves some respect. yes she can be very annoying but then can't they all? she is definately good tv and whether we love or hate her we just can't seem to stop talking about her or watching her ! just being in 'til week 7 sent her scatty ,she was sooooo chuffed with herself ,didn't see any of the other hms acting like that .i think they fully expect to be in the last 4.

Jade is 21 years old: she is not the poor little exploited child some try to portray her as. Neither is she as stupid. The "babba" act is an act - it soon turns to a hard-nosed harridan act when it suits her.

As an adult she needs to accept responsibility for her own actions and in this case that means the booing she may well get when she leaves the house. I can't see her ever really admitting to herself that anything is her fault. In every "argument" in the house she always talks over the other HM (despite the fact she is only repeating herself again and again) with a stream of self-justification. Maybe she is just a product of the trendy "no-fault" generation. Everyone is intrinsically nice and anything can be blamed on environment / background.

Booing is not only part of BB, it is part of almost every TV sport we see now. A player (soccer) does a bad tackle, they are booed. Maradonna puts the ball in the net, he is reviled. Rather than being fair to the opponents they are more often than not taunted.

I don't feel sorry for Jade. She has been quite horrible at times. If she gets the same treatment as Adele then maybe, just maybe she will learn something from it. But at the end of the day, booing is like mooing: a noice made by a group of thoughtless animals.

Nope, no regrets here about disliking her. I will stop calling here the werepig though.

Jal

on the subject of jade's home, i wonder if c4 had jade's permission to go rummaging about in her room..putting her knickers on avid's head. not sure if her mum's right in the head doing that. taking away her daughter's childhood wasn't eniough for jackie ,seems she wants to balls up jades adult life s well.

Anyone who has ever had to work with women like Jade's mother only needs to look at her to know exactly what kind of upbringing Jade has had. She is a total loser - completely self-obsessed - and weak. And that was Jade's role model - who couldn't even do basic child caring.

Jade has had to survive - had to learn her own form of survival.
She's not brilliant - how could she be - but she's done very well given the cr@p start in life she had.

I still don't 'like' her but there's a bit of 'respect' in me now for her.

MGOM

i agree might not like her much,but have more respect for her,i can't even imagine being a child carer. feel her mum could stop exploiting her though especially since jade has said she is going to start living for herself not her mum...this is her time jackie..leave it out !

Just because Jade's background is peasantscumtrash rather than middle-class suburban bliss doesn't make her thugbitch bullying any less unacceptable. Not that I think she should be hated or lynched - just sterilised so she doesn't breed.

Jackie is the type who will push herself selfishly to get things for herself. Imagine how lucky we all are to NOT have a mother like that cluttering up our lives.

Jade, in unusual reflective mode, hinted that this might be a turning point in her life. I hope so. I hope she DOES learn and gets the hell out of that filthy barren pigsty and lives her own life somewhere else.

MGOM

Having worked with "exactly" those kind of "mums" for many years you'll understand why I feel pity for Jade .The BB producer has admitted "i never thought in a million years that JADE would turn out like she has in the house ".
She acts like a child because essentially her intellectual age really is one .
She shouts and babbles to get us to listen to her point because
she has clearly HAd to do this to get her MUM to understand her .
I'll vote Jade out his week because she's out of her depth

Her home was hardly a 'pig sty'. It looked clean to me with just the walls needing a coat of paint. Does everyone here live in a pristine palace? You can live in far worse and far better homes, it makes no difference to your development as a person, that's down to the parental influences and prejudices.There are many people in the world that have been brought up in real slums and have made a success of their lives, most of them credit their parents for giving them a sense of value and love. Materialistic things do not make people a better person. Jade has only her mother for a role model, hopefully Jade will learn from this experience and adapt her boundless energy into a better way of life, it's never too late.

words fail me

Just an FYI: A previous BBLB showed the bathroom which had lots of tiles pulled off the walls all round and exposed wall and plaster all looking very unsanitary. They may have been re-tiling but on the evidence of last night I doubt it.

Did anyone see that hilarious "Hollywood" style picture of Jade framed on the wall? I’d love to see a screen grab of that again. Couldn’t help but think of a certain muppet wearing a feather boa.

what a vile thing to say !

Depends what part of his body he puts it in with.

Speaking of football, it's an interesting comparison :- Rivaldo, Batistuta, Sol Campbell have to contend with stalkers in the garden, frogmen in the toilet, abuse from 'fans', abuse from the press, etc. and you hardly ever see them complaining. The X million pounds a year helps. Nor do you hear the fans complaining much either, They all know the score.

The BB HMs are subject to the same 'scrutiny', but they're doing it for 70 grand flat.

(One should mention also that a ticket to a Premiership match is 30 quid or so, and a vote on BB is 25p.)

Was it Disraeli who said it is no surprise that every man has his price, but what is so disappointing is that, in the majority of cases, that price is so low.

Let's put it another way - if I went into the BB house, I'd expect cameras nosing around my house, reporters hassling friends and family, ex-partners (or people I'd never even met) making up stories for the tabloids, 'Schwobble is a two-timing, lying pig', 'Schwobble in 3-in-a bed rubber elephant scandal', etc. - and a lot of rabid members of the public wanting to grab their10 minutes of fame by irrational, ill-informed, hysterical behaviour, and a lot of ghouls crowding around to watch as if at a road accident. It's part of the deal called Fame. Would I do it for 70 grand? Doubt it. (You never know though

Then take it down to the mundane level, and consider that a lot of those members of the public have signed employment contracts that give their bosses the effective power to make them work all day and all night for no pay, and will bleat like wounded sheep should an employer turn unscrupulous and hold them to it. Similarly they'll pay through the nose every morning to be degradingly packed like slaughterhouse-bound cattle onto dirty, dangerous transport, and will complain long and loud that Somebody Should Do Something, but not them, as they've got to get to work.

Who's laughing now?

I am really sick of the 'it's her upbringing' etc etc. I possibly had a less than rosy upbringing than Jade, although I do not wish to divulge what happened to me, all I can say is it was much less than desirable.

I believe it is the strength of character that you have which will determine what path you will embark on.

A person very dear to me was in a childrens home from the age of 11 (On the contrary to what people may think, it was not myself) He is now an extremely successful businessman who lives in a house worth £500,000. It could have been a very different scenario but his strength of character shone through and I have much respect for him. I do not have any kind of respect for Jade from what I have witnessed from her so far.

Well said Dome - sometimes the most interesting people are the ones who have had their share of hardship and poverty.
Jade has certainly grown on me and I hope she has learnt more about life from her experience in the house.

It might just be for the cameras - who can blame her for that ?
but this morning she is cleaning out the chickens - the smell must be awful after all the rain - she is nearly throwing up - but she is sticking with it. I do think her time is up though.
Having said that - so is Jonnys and Tims and PJs for that matter.

Anyway good point

Hmm, have tried to repent, that lasted 'til last night when the baby voice, lying etc. appeared again. I do feel that it is a bit iffy to constantly use her background as an excuse for her behaviour. Two examples for you to contemplate:
1. child adopted late (approx 4 yrs old) after a seriously abusive start. Adoptive parents are warm and kind, but poor and make child work v. hard on farm, loses a lot of childhood helping to look after younger children. Child is very unintelligent, next to no education. She has grown up to be a decent, honest person, would do anything for anyone, happily married etc. tho still in abject poverty.
2. child 2 is born into a very rich family, youngest of four. Parents are alcoholic, abusive (in the case of father, sexually abusive as well). To outward appearances child 2 has all the advantages, private education, holidays abroad etc. In reality child 2 is unloved, has no-one to confide in etc. He grows up an alcoholic, disabled due largely to parents ignoring medical problems when young. What does child 2 do? He picks himself up, accepts responsibility for his alcoholism and stops drinking, marries, has children and does his absolute best to have a happy life without hurting others.

These two children are real people, not made up. Sorry to go on but felt that if I am going to question others views about upbringing I have to have some pretty good arguments!
Mavis
who in case you hadn't guessed is lucky enough to be married to child 2

Yes I saw that, utterly cringe making thing that it was. Jade's "skank ho" mum obviously dotes on Piglet to spend some of her beer and crack money on such a monstrosity.

Agreeing with the previous poster about sterilisation too, by the time "Middle England" has to deal with such unpleasant characters they'll have virtually taken over and it'll be too late!

Good point Mavis, and congratulations to Mr Sausage and child 1. However I am interested to know what age they were when they got their lives in order. My parents were both very seriouly mentally ill when I was young and its taken me some time to get that out of my system. Although am now married with two wonderful children and a job I love (oops, nun cover blown there) my worst years were definitely in my mid twenties. I know its ridiculous to excuse Jade everything on account of her age, but she does still live with her mum. It is possible that in a decade or so she will be a nice person. I admit she has some way to go, but there is hope.

Funnily enogh, late teens both of them, but obviously it took a lot of time and many setbacks...
Mavis

I cant think of a way to put this, so excuse me if it all comes out in one long babble!

The fact that Jade is 21, and old enough to take responsibility for her actions has no bearing on whether she should be behaving differently now. You see, until now, the life Jade had, was the ONLY life she knew. And she was surrounded by people who told her it was the way to behave. Im only surprised she has actually got a job, and a quite respectable one at that. Please dont think im stereotyping, but I wouldnt have been surprised to learn she was claiming benefits. Im in no doubt that she was brought up on benefits, and it can be quite hard to get out of the system sometimes. I really think Jade has evaluated her life while in the Big Brother house, and she has mixed with different types of people, that she just wouldn't have come across in her day to day life. In short, she has realised that there IS a better way. I think the Jade that leaves the house will be a very different one that entered it. I just hope she has the strength to break away from her current circle of friends and family, they will drag her back down to their level, im sure.

I at times, have been very harsh on Jade, I put my hands up to that. Sometimes you get carried away with the emotion of the game.

Even so though, in no way am I condoning the way she treated Sophie, that was just downright nastiness.

If im not making sense, please excuse me, ive only been awake for an hour, im just trying toi write down all these thoughts that are swimming around in my head!