It's nice to see that people are now looking at Jade more objectively. I agree with those who think she is not a nice person. I also agree with those who suggest it's the fault of her upbringing. I also agree with those who suggest that it is up to the indivdual to rise above their upbringing. I suggest that as humans we all make mistakes but most of us are given the chance to put our mistakes right, which we do as we grow and mature. Jade has not had the chance to do this yet (the girl is only 21) but I hope that her big brother experience will be put to good use by her. I actually feel that Jade is trying very hard to learn some lessons about herself while in the house and away from the influence of her mother. I hold her mother in contempt, I dislike Jade and hope she is the next evictee but I also wish her well in her efforts to put her young life and poor upbringing behind her and make a decent life for herself.

Caz

Thats what I was trying to say, it just came out in a babble though!!

think I should just go back to bed....

Oh I'm sorry Hyacinth, I hadn't read all the posts properly. I didn't mean to duplicate your thoughts. Please don't go back to bed, you'll miss all the fun!

No Caz, on the contrary!! Im commending you for managing to put my thoughts into words that actually make sense!!

HA! That's only cos I been up longer than you! And having read yourpost properly now I think it makes perfect sense! For a half awake person LOL
Caz

I've been reading this site for a while. But I just felt I had to post cos I'm sickened with the snobbish ultra middle class attitude you've had to Jade's house as if that somehow negates the way she has acted. It was clear from the start that she had a tough life, but now all of a sudden, her house has been seen and it's not pristine with new furniture and decor and all of a sudden it's poor Jade?! Maybe you all live in the suburbs or something, but I don't, I live next door to Bermondsey and personally I think most of you are acting like snobs. So what if her bathroom doesn't have tiles on? My kitchen hasn't had wallpaper on for the past 6 years, that doesn't make me think I've grown up in a deprived environment. All that I saw was some leather sofas which although a bit tacky, hardly signify a shithole. And the rest was just a house. It sounds like some of you have never escaped the home counties, cos I where I'm from mums like Jade's are ten a penny and the fact is you deal with it.

Can I just make it clear that when I referred to Jades upbringing I was in no way referring to her home/area she lives in. I live in a pretty rough area in a grotty council flat myself and in this area there are all kinds of people. Good parenting skills are not exclusive to middle class areas and bad parenting skills are not exclusive to "deprived" areas.

Caz

Obviously I was a late developer!

I am not sure that it was the house that did it. Maybe it was more the reality of seeing that she was a real person, with a real home and a real mum coupled with the dawning truth that she, like Adele, does not deserve the sort of treatment she is going to get outside the BB house. Seeing her in context making us see there is more to her than the stuff we ridicule. You're right that pitying her is not much better than condemning her. Butperhaps we are a step nearer seeing her as a whole person rather than a one dimensional pantomime villain.

What I don't get though, is wasn't that obvious from the start? Of course these people are *real* people. As of yet, no BB bots have been developed. I was disgusted by the booing last night, I thought it was absolutely disgusting. Maybe if people decide to pity Jade she won't get any which is good, even if it is for the wrong reasons. Personally, I still think she is a horrid person, she may have reasons for it due to her upbringing but then so haven't most people with flaws?.

One or twompeople seem to have misinterpreted what I originally said. I'll try to set the record straight

1. Jade's major influence is her mother. Her mother is not normal and will not have been - by normal standards - a good mother. Ipso facto Jade's upbringing has not been normal. We are all deeply affected by our upbringing and our sense of self worth comes from the love and care and specialness we receive in childhood. If a child is deprived of this they may spend their whole life looking for it.

2. The family home was not horrendous but it wasn't very good either. It gave off an aura of Jackie-centredness that backs up the comments above.

Jade has done well to get where she is. But she is psychologically, sociologically and enotionally damaged.

To laugh at her in the way many of us did was as vile and unbecoming as to laugh at any person with a handicap.

And yes we can break out of it. We ARE responsible for ourselves. But some, like Jade, have a worse start and more ground to cover to get to where almost all of us started from.

Love and peace People
MGOM

Yet again words fail me

I'm with you Lulu.
Fancy a drink?

MGOM
xxx

But we don't treat people as "real" until we know them. (Otherwise we would spend all our time worrying about the entire population of the world, but it would put an end to road rage, trolley age etc.) The trouble with BB is that as a result of seeing all the behaviour of a HM, good and bad, in the very limited conditions of the BB house, we feel we know them as well as, if not better than, if we had got to know them gradually in a number of different settings, interacting with them and seeing the persona they chose to use in reponse to us. That sentence is too long! So we think we know the real them whilst we have seen both more of and less of how they are in reality.

I know what I mean in my head. Does this make any sense at all on screen?

Absolutely! anything with an alcohol content over 15% for me please

lu
xx

What a load of patronising hogwash, the chattering classes in full effect again! And what's with this "she's only 21" she's a grown adult! Darren from BB1 wasn't much older than her and came from a pretty similar background yet there's no comparison between the two, she needs to act her age. You people need to remove your heads from your arses, I despair of you..

Yep Wendy makes perfect sense.

We all 'think' we know celebs etc but - having worked with a lotof them in a former life - the reality rarely mirrors the image

MGOM
xxx

Mavis, what a lovely story. You justify your view completely.
I do agree - I briefly felt sorry for Jade when I saw her mother last night - but I am appalled by Jade's ignorance - or rather, by the fact that she doesn't seem at all ashamed by it. Is it possible, as someone has suggested, that she has led such a limited life that she doesn't realise? After attending school and watching television? Surely not. And 21 is not very young at all ... well it wasn't when I was 21!

Phew.

Thanks xxx

Incidentally nastyhusbanduk are you really a nasty husband? I only ask because my husband who has been talking of subscribing to DS has been upstairs working on his computer since before your first post and I am beginning to wonder if I know you. (Not that he's nasty, of course)

Zillion - I agree. Jade's lack of basic knowledge is staggering. Did she REALLY not know that Germany and Britain went to war between 1939 and 1945??????

Yet again does this point to the lack of basic input from Jackie??

I expect Jade has known about smack for many years!!!
MGOM

No, it points to her not paying attention at school.

So - parental input is valueless then???

Is that what you are growling??

growling? I thought I was typing. I've answered your question in my previous thread now please stop bothering me. It's obvious you're looking for an angle with which to blame all Jade's woes on her mother, give up it's not working.

1. I decided to start this thread to discuss a particular topic

2. Most of the posters respect each others views even if they dont agree with them and don't post offensively

3. If you choose to join our debate then act accordingly

4. Chill out more - its only for fun after all

5. Give us a big kiss then XXXXX

MGOM
tolerant to the last