Catch it on E4- He's discussing the show and how everyone is perceived..... yet again.

Although fair play, Jade and PJ are in there as well. But Mr Obsessed off again.

he said that when he first went in he saw that Alison 'shone' as a 'winner'.

No wonder they were so *close* eh?

ugh...(paraphrasing)

"I went into theDR and told them I dunno if me mam being on there was on purpose or not...I think it was on purpose cos you know Ive had a hard time the last few weeks"

Sure Jonny- Everyone's parents were there, but it's all about YOU!

Enough of this jonny bitching its not health, your becoming obsessed, get a pet or something!!!!!!

Sweets, Im half cut sinking some wine and listening to the twerp.

BTW it's HEALTHY and YOU'RE

Thats nise thanc yew. Yew shood get an hampster, its a gud pet, its kleen and flufy.

I think it's fair enough to pick faults with Jonny.

He's so popular in the polls, I see it as a healthy way to create some balance in the popularity of the housemates.

As long as it's not just hate for the sake of hating. The points made tonight are all valid for the most part.

If others can receive criticism, so can Jonny.

Jonny's nomination plans have been put into turmoil this week. He's just said to PJ, 'I'd have preferred 2 others up this week'. PJ said, 'Don't say no more, I know what you mean'. Jade said, 'So do I'.

PJ was also talking about the reception that Spenny received on his departure. I can just imagine Jonny thinking. If that's the kind of reception that Spenny got when he left, how popular must Alex be, seeing he beat him.

I think Jonny's surviving off the first 2 weeks that he had in the house. Since Sandy had his little chat with him, and his first nomination, he's been a shadow of the man who entered the house.

I must admit, I've never liked him from the start. Now I just find him plan annoying.

Thinking back, Jonny week 1 was one of the reasons I thought I wasn't going to be able to watch the show this year as he and Alison were SO over the top they were doing my head in! I sympathised with Sunita when she walked, I think I'd have done the same just to get away from them.

Then he settled a little, then vanished into himself and has seemed completely self obsesed...yet still somehow I like the guy now. Maybe it's just that in the face of everyone else in the house, he doesn't seem too bad...I'd have liked Spencer still in the house, and Kate to win, but besides those two, I don't really think much of any of the housemates....still been interesting viewing though...

I've got a strong feeling that Jonny is going to win BB.

I've tried to minimize the disappointment of him winning by seriously trying to find something I like about him.

But I can't.

All I hear to back him up, is that he's a genuine nice guy who cares about his family and he's really funny.

But I'm not convinced.

I even like P.J. more than him now (I must be mad, but I can't help it).

I just look at him and the way he projects himself, and he's such a wa*nker.

Everyone says that he's genuine, but his facial expressions and his eyes tell me another story.

Yeah, it has been interesting viewing.

The divide thing has been riveting viewing for me.

With P.J. and Kate up for eviction, the divide should be there right up to the final two.

It's funny, but I didn't like P.J. and Kate at the start. Now I've seen good sides to their personalities, I've warmed to them quite a bit.

I'd like Kate to survive this week.

Ive tried to find redeeming stuff about him too alrightmate...... So far all I can come up with is that he has a spaniel called Lucy and so do I LOL

the point is that there is no one in the house that anybody really like anymore, therefore try to get rid of the least likeable, lesser of six evils! funnily enough, this was Jade a couple of weeks ago but she is still there. jonny would be better off doing an alex and spend time in the bedroom with head firmly up rectum, then at least he wouldnt get talked about. this would make great viewing wouldnt it? I dont like jonnies personality but at least he has one!

Jonny?!

Where exactly is it, jack?

admittedly it isnt much of one but he is one of joe publics favs so he must have one!

I think that's what Ch4 & BBLB want us to think! I'm tired of the way they seem to be pushing him to be the winner - & Dermot O'Leary seems to be obsessed with him.

it maybe galling to accept but could BB be falling for jonnies strategy to win? after all despite what anybody thinks of him, he is a major talking point, what else is going on in there to entertain? another 20 min hair grooming session from tim? another thing, that manky minger doesnt wash his hair properly he only ever conditions it then rinses followed by more gunk, dirty boy!

I believe people want Johnny to win because he represents the common man and he is a fireman (highly related to how we perceive this profession after Sept 11th) no so much as a consequence of his personality.

I personally prefer to vote in terms of how HM come across in the program and in spite of him being a nice bloke, he lacks the qualities I would vote in a winner. He tries too hard to be the centre of anything happening in the house and his paranoia is crippling. He is in awe as why people don't like him and his talk about his family is a bit too much no matter how close and important his family is for him. It seems unhealthy or plainly emotional blackmail.

That's what I feel about him too. It's his representation of the common man.
But that's just it, to me it's just a representation, nothing more.

I'm suspecting that with his attention to how hard it is for him and his family, he's trying to come across as the underdog. The public loves an underdog.

If I didn't find out that he was an actor, these suspicions may never have come to mind.

Actually I'm amazed that most people here don't have a problem with him being an actor. It seems that there's only a handful of us who are irritated by this.

I've never heard it mentioned on Channel 4 about Jonny's acting experience. I don't know if Channel 4 are simply embarrassed to mention it, or if it actually isn't true in the first place.

Father Jack (the original one)
Actually Jonny has TWO personalities, yes I counted them:

1. Clownjonny - likes singing, dressing in ladies garb, skinnydipping, tries to be centre of attention.

2. MoroseJonny - quiet, "loser" bodylanguage, humble to BB, thinks he's "deep" just becuase he's quiet. Tends to appear when he's up for nomination.


Jack

I think Father Jack is spot on in his analysis. The problem is if you combine this with his histrionic experience (Alrightmate's post) you get to the conclusion that there is a plot behind it. I have to admit that the more I see of him the less inocent he seems. But then I do realize that for him getting 70k must be a good allicient to use any trick in his hat.

I will add there is another side to him that not many people have discovered and it's when he tried to create alliances, his combative side showed a less pleasant side to himselft. I am still waiting to see a clear situation where his loyalties in the house are challenged and how his decent bloke will fare in this context. So far I have some glimpses but we need a clear challenge that makes this evident for everybody to see.

I think that I could be wrong. But like you, when I add things together, I just get a bad feeling.

I never think that he's either false or genuine either, because like us, he can't be being either of these things ALL the time.

It just seems that when he's less concious of himself, I don't see a good side to him. For example last night when he thought the wrong tape was on. he just basically panicked in what seemed to be pure desperation and self-preservation, he really seemed to think that he was evicted.

One thing to add to that. At that split second of panic, he didn't seem too heartbroken to see his family, he was more concerned that he thought that HIS tape was being played.

It was only AFTER he realised that it was the correct video, that he started going on about how hard it was for him.

Anyway, I suppose it's easy to speculate, because we seem to have more additional info. about Jonny.

I suppose that if any more personal information about other contestants cropped up, we'd change some of our opinions about them too.

By the way, the incident when Jonny thought that he'd been stitched up with the wrong tape playing, and his immediate reaction. Was one of the comedy moments of the series for me.

The problem is that because we watch them in this fish bowl we all fall easily in the trap that we actually know them well, when in fact we haven't got a clue about what goes in their heads.

That is for me the more interesting part of BB, that we can discuss for ages about the good/bad character traits of the HM but we wll never be sure about what is true or not,. We can follow them 7/24 but we can only guess what is in their heads.

Alrightmate, I like your insights about the HM and most of the time I find we have similar views (not that I dislike opposed well argumented ones). I will be looking forward for more posts from you.

In my opinion the thing that people are unsure of about Jonny is that he has what he hopes is well disguised and heavily defended-against misogyny (woman hating). However, under the relentless scrutiny of BB it has to leak somehow and there it is. Subtle, but there.I shall refer to only two examples of behaviour that point to misogyny - one when he deliberately opened the door of the toilet when he new Kate was in there. Secondly when he took Jade's bikini bottom off her (in the pool) and wore itn his head. Perhaps you can recall others.

Each of these incidents can be written off as "just a bit of fun" by J and his supporters but I'd like others to think again. First consider the other men (?) in the group and their interactions with the women. PJ isnt even subtle in his misogyny - for him intimacy is loveless rutting. His put downs of Jade (for example) are crass and without finesse. Alex is more bewildered, in awe of women and is genuinely flattered by their attention (witness the bath scene with the girls). Lee was an out and out flirt - he loves women and sees at his duty to get it on. Tim(id) is despite his claims to the contrary, deeply overwhelmed by females - a state for which he tries to overcompensate for by being one of them when he's with them.

Jonny, on the other hand simply does not like women. He has had no level of intimate contact with any of the women. Think about it. There has been no electricity in any of his liaisons, negative or positive. His strategy, to cover his misogyny has been to copy Craig and Brian, previous BB winners. In effect he has tried to present as bland and neutral - niceish when needed - highly narcissistic in times of stress.

Any relationship he does have with a woman will be Jonny-centric. She will be peripheral in his interest. Yes I do think he will win the contest because the others arent sophisticated enough to challenge his lack of authenticity directly.

( wormy little impostor )
you dont like men do you?