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Jonny's 'Analysis' ..... Again
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LadyKnight
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Siggy
He has had no level of intimate contact with any of the women. Think about it. ”

I dont need to think about it. He has a stable relationship with his girlfriend of 9 years. I would imagine he doesn't want to give her any reason for feeling hurt or betrayed, by having any intimate contact with the women. Unlike Lee first with Adele and then Sophie.

I have male friends that I don't have intimate contact with - if I understand what you mean by the phrase. But that doesn't make either me or them gay.

I may have missed the point (which is what usually happens, but I find it difficult to read stuff thats not in points or paragraphs - short attention span
scorp
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Siggy
In my opinion the thing that people are unsure of about Jonny is that he has what he hopes is well disguised and heavily defended-against misogyny (woman hating). However, under the relentless scrutiny of BB it has to leak somehow and there it is. Subtle, but there.I shall refer to only two examples of behaviour that point to misogyny - one when he deliberately opened the door of the toilet when he new Kate was in there. Secondly when he took Jade's bikini bottom off her (in the pool) and wore itn his head. Perhaps you can recall others.Each of these incidents can be written off as "just a bit of fun" by J and his supporters but I'd like others to think again. First consider the other men (?) in the group and their interactions with the women. PJ isnt even subtle in his misogyny - for him intimacy is loveless rutting. His put downs of Jade (for example) are crass and without finesse. Alex is more bewildered, in awe of women and is genuinely flattered by their attention (witness the bath scene with the girls). Lee was an out and out flirt - he loves women and sees at his duty to get it on. Tim(id) is despite his claims to the contrary, deeply overwhelmed by females - a state for which he tries to overcompensate for by being one of them when he's with them. Jonny, on the other hand simply does not like women. He has had no level of intimate contact with any of the women. Think about it. There has been no electricity in any of his liaisons, negative or positive. His strategy, to cover his misogyny has been to copy Craig and Brian, previous BB winners. In effect he has tried to present as bland and neutral - niceish when needed - highly narcissistic in times of stress. This is not to say he is homosexual. That's a different thing altogether. Perhaps he is. However, any relationship he does have with a woman will be Jonny-centric. She will be peripheral in his interest. Yes I do think he will win the contest because the others arent sophisticated enough to challenge his lack of authenticity directly. ”


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......this is the biggest load of twaddle i've yet to read on these threads.......LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....thank you for cheering my Sunday up!!!.................

......................Why the f**k....would he want an intimate relationship with anyone in the house when he has someone he loves on the 'outside??????????? ........hhmmmmmm....seems to me the man has rather more respect for the women that mean something to him in his life, than the hm's who've flirted and more, even with the knowledge that some of them have involvements on the outside...........can't see how that makes someone a misogynist.........lol...............cheers for the laugh anyway!...
Siggy
07-07-2002
I'm a man - there! It's out.
LadyKnight
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Siggy
I'm a man - there! It's out. ”

I'm a woman. WIll someone tell me if I am going mad today, I don't seem to understand anything.

Whats your gender got to do with it?
fatherjack
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Siggy
I'm a man - there! It's out. ”


( wormy little impostor )

so?
LadyKnight
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by fatherjack



( wormy little impostor )

”

Was siggy pretending to be a woman?

More confused than ever now...
Siggy
07-07-2002
The implication I understood was that the man-hating post had come from a woman. It had not.

The idea I put forward remains the same. Jonny is a closet misogynist. The underlying aggression in his gags against a couple of the women suggests it. Perhaps some women might like to give their thoughts on it. Or perhaps some men. I have no axe to grind here - merely a professional interest. I dont give a toss whether J wins or not.
Siggy
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by LadyKnight


Was siggy pretending to be a woman?

More confused than ever now... :confused:
”

Dont be confused, M'Lady. I never pretended to be a woman. (Hope your house problems get sorted soon!):)
LadyKnight
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Siggy


Dont be confused, M'Lady. I never pretended to be a woman. (Hope your house problems get sorted soon!)
”

Right ... am with this a bit more now ... its fatherjack who is the wormy little imposter. Strange way to describe yourself, but never mind.

Sigs have you read the posting about PJ the 40 points on the other thread about PJ V Kate, or is it the Kate V PJ one. Thats misogny almost at its worst. Makes my flesh crawl just reading it.

I think Jonny is ok - well except for his mam dad and gran thing. I was looking at him last night and I began to wonder if he has had botox injections (am not sure if I'm being serious about this) but his eyebrows never seem to go up or down.

Thanks for the sympathy about the house, am gutted. x
Al the Cynic
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by scorp

seems to me the man has rather more respect for the women that mean something to him in his life, than the hm's who've flirted and more, even with the knowledge that some of them have involvements on the outside...........can't see how that makes someone a misogynist.........lol...............cheers for the laugh anyway!...
”


It's amazing:
It was Sophie the Slapper because Lee had a girlfriend.

The doublethink is amazing: Alex beds someone with a girlfriend outside and he is still regailed as a hero by his fans.


Think about it!!!!
fatherjack
07-07-2002
( wormy little impostor )

not sure about this thread, not sure about why men have to tiptoe through the tulips for women simply because they are women . much of the way men treat women comes from social learning and women inevitably play a part in that somewhere along the line.
I cant stand adelle, not because she is female, its because i cant stand her personality. as far as double tandards/hypocrisy are concerned, surely women are as guilty as men.
It is also worth noting that white, males are perhaps more discriminated against than women...fart and your a mysogenist, argue against a woman ...mysogenist have an attitude opposite to siggy...mysogenist! I
I am all for reconstructing the male But not at the cost of losing my identity.
Sister Wendy
07-07-2002
fatherjack I would encourage not to call yourself a wormy little imposter in front of siggy. I dread to think what a good Freudian would make of it.

Hope the male/female landscape is not as bleak as you paint it. I think part of the problem is that siggy is using words in a technical sense whilst you are using tem in every day sense. I don't think everything siggy is saying is intended as an insult.

The reason men get more of the blame in the battle of the sexes is because in the past they have had more of the power, but this is changing. Hooray. I am optimistic that you don't need to change your identity, and feel free to fart.

Love SW
LadyKnight
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by fatherjack


But not at the cost of losing my identity.
”

Your identity ... you mean that of wormy little imposter? I would think you would want to lose it
fatherjack
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Sister Wendy
fatherjack I would encourage not to call yourself a wormy little imposter in front of siggy. I dread to think what a good Freudian would make of it.

Hope the male/female landscape is not as bleak as you paint it. I think part of the problem is that siggy is using words in a technical sense whilst you are using tem in every day sense. I don't think everything siggy is saying is intended as an insult.

The reason men get more of the blame in the battle of the sexes is because in the past they have had more of the power, but this is changing. Hooray. I am optimistic that you don't need to change your identity, and feel free to fart.

Love SW
”



( wormy little impostor )


the title! was given to me by someone (a female) who was disturbed and concerned that I had stolen the ID of another 'member of the cloth'! in order to avoid confusion I have adopted it and in fact have come attached (not quite in the Bowlby way of course!) to it!
I do understand siggies technical points as I feel we are 'batting for the same side' in a sense! Its just that I dont swallow it all!
Father Jack
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Sister Wendy

The reason men get more of the blame in the battle of the sexes is because in the past they have had more of the power, but this is changing. Hooray. I am optimistic that you don't need to change your identity, and feel free to fart.

Love SW
”

If men have had more of the power, why would they feel hesitant to fart?

Jack
has NOT felt at all "powerful" in his relationships!
kmac
07-07-2002
Quote:
“I'm a man - there! It's out.”

Exactly what is out?
fatherjack
07-07-2002
( wormy little impostor )

BTW Sw, I think Freud was a complete a***! it is a name women should spit at when heard!
Sister Wendy
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Father Jack


If men have had more of the power, why would they feel hesitant to fart?
”

I don't think we need a discussion about powerful farts do we?
fatherjack
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Sister Wendy


I don't think we need a discussion about powerful farts do we?
”


( wormy little impostor )
you know how it goes...group of people..men and women...an 'aroma' descends...who gets the blame?
maybe
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Sister Wendy


I don't think we need a discussion about powerful farts do we?
”

Touche!
Devilot
07-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Al the Cynic



It's amazing:
It was Sophie the Slapper because Lee had a girlfriend.

The doublethink is amazing: Alex beds someone with a girlfriend outside and he is still regailed as a hero by his fans.


Think about it!!!!
”

I wasnt aware Alex had 'bedded' anyone??
Siggy
08-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by fatherjack
( wormy little impostor )

not sure about this thread, not sure about why men have to tiptoe through the tulips for women simply because they are women . much of the way men treat women comes from social learning and women inevitably play a part in that somewhere along the line.
I cant stand adelle, not because she is female, its because i cant stand her personality. as far as double tandards/hypocrisy are concerned, surely women are as guilty as men.
It is also worth noting that white, males are perhaps more discriminated against than women...fart and your a mysogenist, argue against a woman ...mysogenist have an attitude opposite to siggy...mysogenist! I
I am all for reconstructing the male But not at the cost of losing my identity.
”


Sorry you seem to be saying that I was accusing you of being a misogynist, Ted. Dont recall doing that. (I have also moved on from Freud, years ago!)

A review though of Jonny is in order, given some of the responses to my suggestion that he's a mis...... The argument appears to be being made that because he is in a relationship for 9 years that he cant be a misogynist ................Wrong! The man has still not left home to set up home with this woman. Long term relationships can often serve the needy instincts of a Jonny. He even chose a woman with a name similar to his and who looks like him.

I would say he is not only a misogynist, he is the most grandiose in the house. Tim cant even run him a close second. The remaining housemates are almost primitive in their transparency.

Jonny displays narcissism on a grand scale - read some of the post on other threads where he appears to have the most exasperating effect on contributors! They have indeed "sussed him out". He is also extrememly "oral" as a personality type. Note the preoccupation with his mouth - constantly touching it, smoking incessantly. He has no interest in the other housemates at all save for how they affect him.
fatherjack
08-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Siggy



Sorry you seem to be saying that I was accusing you of being a misogynist, Ted. Dont recall doing that. (I have also moved on from Freud, years ago!)

A review though of Jonny is in order, given some of the responses to my suggestion that he's a mis...... The argument appears to be being made that because he is in a relationship for 9 years that he cant be a misogynist ................Wrong! The man has still not left home to set up home with this woman. Long term relationships can often serve the needy instincts of a Jonny. He even chose a woman with a name similar to his and who looks like him.

I would say he is not only a misogynist, he is the most grandiose in the house. Tim cant even run him a close second. The remaining housemates are almost primitive in their transparency.

Jonny displays narcissism on a grand scale - read some of the post on other threads where he appears to have the most exasperating effect on contributors! They have indeed "sussed him out". He is also extrememly "oral" as a personality type. Note the preoccupation with his mouth - constantly touching it, smoking incessantly. He has no interest in the other housemates at all save for how they affect him.
”


( wormy little impostor )

sorry soggy, the names not ted, he is below me!
an exremely well put together character assassignation of jonny! well done. Just a suggestion, if youre going to do that for him, do it for the rest as well, at least you will gain more respect for a balanced viewpoint. Also, if you could show them in such a negative light it might convince others that you are not so judgemental. plese remember also that he, as with the rest of the housemates are in a false, even foreign environment, separated from their loved ones. Might this just have a detrimental effect on there personalities?
A_different_Bob
08-07-2002
Some of this stuff about Jonny is getting plain ridiculous!!
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