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Old 08-07-2002, 16:48
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Here we go again........
In response to a special request, let us start off on another chat about one of the housemates.

P.J
Just what do we know about this young man from Birmingham ?
A trainee solicitor. hmm. Clearly, the man is clever in some ways, and has made some good progress in his chosen career.
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This weeks eviction certainly makes for an interesting week in P.J's stay within the house. For P.J this first chance at getting the boot must be quite unsettling, and probably has altered his behaviour/attitude to at least a moderate extent.

P.J's events so far.....
-His relationship with ms. Goody, and the events of 'that night'.
-I have noted that he has shown recently some regular subtle jibes at jade, he clearly wants her out, and must be very threatened by her surviving last fridays eviction.
-His comments on how his career might be affected by events in the house.

Personally, i think P.J has done a remarkable job so far. He has been playing the game very well, picking up a moderate amount of nominations. Unlike adele, he has not been outrageously bitching to others in the house - this probably accounts for how he has escaped serious nomination by the group.
Mr Ellis has done well indeed, he has said very little to offend others within the group, and has just settled into a background role - as Kate has done. It is now quite apt that both 'backgrounders' are facing eachother off.
Q. How much does P.J want to win ? Do any of you think he will survive this friday night ?

P.J : An intense few days ahead. Perhaps, longer.

.....over to you now Ma lady and regulars.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:00
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I don't think P.J. will survive this week. What I'm about to say may sound sexist, but it's just my view.

You're right that PJ has been "scenery" in the house - very much in the background, yet he seems to be liked by all. This is also quite true of Kate. My reasons for thinking that he'll go on Friday are simple - he has melted so much into the background that when he went up for nomination, people started saying "what exactly has he done in there?". Answer-except for the Jade incident- not a lot. He made it quite clear that there'll be no repeat performance, so he won't be kept in on that basis.

Kate on the other hand hasn't done much either, except be herself. That has won her a lot of supporters-me included- because she seems genuinely nice. On the surface, Kate and PJ are both similar background noise, but PJ will go because Kate is a pretty female, and a lot of viewers would rather watch her doing nothing than PJ.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:13
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As a bit of a care in the community project I have provided the following 40 reasons to dislike PJ.

Opps I have forgotten who provided it .. wasnt me. I am just thankful that someone did.


1. He shagged Jade

2. PJ's fake story about sex on the train

3. PJ claims to have had sex with 70 women.

4. he's going to be a lawyer - he has aspirations to this.

5. "It is soooooo typical of PJ that he has that tattoo round only half his arm, because to get it on the underside would be 'too painful'."

6. "PJ's curiously dumpy legs especially whilst running on the treadmill"

7. he thinks Jade is 1000% ****able

8. He called Sophie's lulu 'burger lips'

9. He thinks it's alright to sleep with your girlfriend's best mate but not with your best mate's girlfriend.

10. He thinks all the women in the world want to go to bed with him.

11. He mimicked holding Jade's head down when telling Spencer and Kate about the BJ.

12. He told Jonny, Spencer and Kate about the BJ.

13. PJ said he wouldn't jerk off while in the house because he didn't know "where to put it"

14. he has been cautioned by the Police for domestic violence

And we should pause on this one to add:

In her official statement to Solihull police pj's girlfriend claimed: "All the time he was hitting me I felt scared because I didn't know when he would stop...

"I felt a lot of pain in my right ear when he struck me on it and I also felt pain on the back of my head from a punch or kick which caused me to almost pass out. My eyesight went funny and my head was pounding.

"I was in a lot of pain so I tried to get up and get out of the room. I stood up...and I felt Peter push me."

A Big Brother expert told us: "The fact that PJ was bound over means he was agreeing to make sure he behaves himself in future. It doesn't count as a conviction.

"But the fact he was involved in a drink related incident serious enough to go to court makes you ask if he's the sort of bloke you'd want your daughter to be locked up with, with loads of booze to hand."

However, Channel 4 say PJ, 22, did NOT tell them about the incident, and because he has no criminal conviction, it did not come to light in police screening of housemates.

15. PJ: "I'm so gonna have a hotel room I so am.. if any of the lads out.. just staying with me that night.. and get some totty back.. really abuse them, proper abuse them"

16. He called Jade a seven pinter

17. PJ suggests that profiteroles are the way to 'get into a girl's pants'.

18. PJ said to Spencer, "I'm gonna go out with you all the time, and get your castoffs."

19. He thought he could get the public to like him by, as he said, "I want all those women to see me like the perfect househusband."

20. Even Jade thinks "he is a Pig", maybe that's why she shags him.

21. His favourite "criticism" of men is to call them women.

22. He made jokes about the best way to swallow cum and not taste it and then about how he had obviously never done it.

23. PJ says that he'd sleep with a married woman for a grand

24. To get a pay rise he said, he wouldn't 'suck his [boss'] dick', but would 'stroke it'.

25. He said that Alex, in his view, 'isn't a man' as he's too much of a pretty boy and if he went to the pub he frequents, he'd get his head kicked in.

26. PJ says he had a dream "there was loads of Big Brothers in England and I was sent to one, he says he found out he was nominated and battered the woman in it."

27. About Big Brother, from his application tape, 'I would have applied last year but I had a girlfriend and she wasn't keen on it. So I had to dump her.'

28. After Alex picked Jade for the rich side, he suggested that Jade would return the compliment by "sucking him off"

29. PJ had a dream, "I was punching Alex in the face and battering him, then Lee took over and had a go".

30. PJ said he would give Kate an eight for her bread. He says he'll give her a seven, but if she gives him a blowjob, he'll give her a nine.

31. PJ said he would "chin" Alex.

32. He asked Jade to describe how Jade lost her virginity - luckily she refused.

33. PJ to Jade and Adele: "sorry girls, I might just have to knock one off now because I'm feeling so angry"

34. Jade said that she had cold legs and arms and PJ said, "how about your snatch?"

35. He said, "Either way it [the eviction] is good for me: I'm either moving or will be in a woman in a few hours"

36. He also said, "[If I ruled the world] I'd decrease the cost of beer and make girls a lot looser."

37. And he said, "Every girl who watches this will think I'm amazing."

38. Oh yeah and he said, "The majority of girls do find me attractive."

39. He also said, "I don't think Adele fancies me, but I reckon she thinks I'm really good looking, every girl who watches this will think I'm amazing."

and a final thought...

40. last night PJ was drying Jade's hair and said that she reminded him of his 13 year old sister. If you were PJ's 13 year old sister would you be wanting him to be thinking of you in the same thought as a woman who at least gave him a BJ?


Took me ages to find it and then get back .!
Thanks Cal x

41. Not to mention he wanted Jade to describe how she lost her virginity to him.


This man is sick sick sick .... I have said this on other threads. But I would really like to hear about other people's points of view .. not just get PJ out.

It interests me ... you know? I like trying to understand people. But I really don't believe I could ever understand a man like PJ and his contempt for women. Or the women who would want to be with him. God forbid he has a fan club.

He could be the Mike Tyson of BB

Or am I going over the top here?
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:15
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Originally posted by Little Ali
Kate on the other hand hasn't done much either, except be herself. That has won her a lot of supporters-me included- because she seems genuinely nice. On the surface, Kate and PJ are both similar background noise, but PJ will go because Kate is a pretty female, and a lot of viewers would rather watch her doing nothing than PJ.
I have to agree, kate looks likely to stay.
She is indeed pretty, and i have felt she IS real -most of the time.
She has seemed to mess around a bit - which annoys me, but still, she is quite sweet.

P.J does indeed face a very difficult problem - he hasnt done much at all. The jade incident is about all we have to cling to for p.j to stay.
Its not enough though.
Unless something massive happens in the next 48 hours, he is surely out.

PJ. : time to start packing the case, and resume his training.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:16
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I suspect he is gutted, as he had based his strategy on not being up for eviction until the end. His trick has been to spot the two-way divide in the house, and gain the confidence of both sides. Then he decided which side he thought would win (K&J) and started to feed them any bitchy comments made by A&A and a few hints about Jade besides to earn their loyalty.
Even if he stays now, he is holed beneath the waterline without Kate - Jonny would sink into depression and be up the following week with Jade leaving. PJ would be left with Alex and Tim who don't trust him, and Jonny who is too self-centered to care.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:19
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PJ at first was just part of the background of the house. i'm glad he has stayed in because I think it has given everyone time to see he is quite a nice guy.

But lets not forget how he was after the Jade incident. YOu may hate Jade, but she didn't deserved to be treated the way she was by PJ afterwards. Pj basically used her to get his end away and then wished he hadn't after and completely blanked her.

Has he ever referred to this incident again with Jade or explained to her why he has gone cold on her.

He is a bit of a bastard for doing this.

Does deserve to go instead of Kate. Neither will e a great loss to the interesting viewing, but both will be missed for being nice people (bar one incident)
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:19
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In other words hes a slimey tosser!

I hate it when I get silly .. But PJ is a horrible HORRIBLE man
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:21
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Ladyknight, i clean forgot all about that 'police issue'.
Reading it back sends a dark chill through me.

Either way, he will be out this friday.
One aspect, is how much will the aformentioned issue be brought up by the media this week?

Can we expect booing ma lady ? Is this man going to be vilified to some moderate extent ? Or has the public got bored already with this 'backgrounder'. ?
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:22
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Originally posted by LadyKnight


This man is sick sick sick .... I have said this on other threads. But I would really like to hear about other people's points of view .. not just get PJ out.

It interests me ... you know? I like trying to understand people. But I really don't believe I could ever understand a man like PJ and his contempt for women. Or the women who would want to be with him. God forbid he has a fan club.

He could be the Mike Tyson of BB

Or am I going over the top here?

Not at all. He's a thug - and to make matters worse, a very intelligent one who should know better. God help us if he represents the future of our legal profession.

I dislike his racist and homophobic comments, his fence sitting (allied himself on the Kate/Jonny axis but keeping on Alex's good side just in case....) and his appalling attitude to women. He's been as sly and conniving as Adele - just not as open about it. I never liked him but the Jade 'episode' and his reaction to not being picked by Alex (when he'd have done exactly the same thing) sealed his fate as far as I'm concerned.

Even his recent show of emotion had no effect on me.

Rant over.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:22
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Originally posted by Storm123
PJ at first was just part of the background of the house. i'm glad he has stayed in because I think it has given everyone time to see he is quite a nice guy.

For God's sake .... please PLEASE read the 40 points....

He is NOT a nice man ...

Am really getting scared now .. is the way PJ think's about women the way ALL men think about women?

Please say its not so
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:23
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Bye Bye PJ!!

Oh and he'll be lucky if he manages to pull a muscle let alone an attractive female.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:24
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you could pick 40 points about any bodies character to say why they aren't nice.

But I'm with you, Kate should stay. Purely cos she is nicer to look at.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:32
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Originally posted by LadyKnight


For God's sake .... please PLEASE read the 40 points....

He is NOT a nice man ...

Am really getting scared now .. is the way PJ think's about women the way ALL men think about women?

Please say its not so
Ma lady, i am a guy, and i sure can tell you that most men (87-94%* ) will see his views on women as bad.

Estimation of socially developed 'nice' men, based on my own life experience/social observations.

Don'nt worry Ma lady, he'll get what he deserves - we all do, sooner or later.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:34
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Originally posted by Storm123
you could pick 40 points about any bodies character to say why they aren't nice.

No not like those points ... PJ is scared of women, treats them with contempt ... unless he can fit them into a mother/family member/thinks hes great mode

As always I know what I am trying to say .. but I don't know the right words.

PJ is contemptuous (sp) of women.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:49
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I only noticed PJ at first because he seemed like a typical couch potato (no offence intended to anyone here) Then I became aware that he was slowly but surely analysing everyone, but in a cunning and sly way, he is what I like to call a backseat driver. I know Adele was accused of being manipulative but wasn't it PJ that truly turned Jonny around about the way he thought of Adele, I could be wrong.

I believe 100% he had every intention of winning BB (he says he did but then jokes about it) Many a true word spoken in jest as they say.

He strikes me as a casual bitchy person dropping just enough ammunition against his other HM's. His treatment towards Jade was awful and I have no hesitation in thinking that he will carry on treating women this way in the future. I have said before that he seemed to me the sort of guy that could be violent to women, this was before the article about him came into existence. Maybe I am wrong to say this but it is only an opinion.

On a good note, I find PJ to be a very clever guy and he will probably succeed in his chosen career, providing he does not try sitting on the fence to often.

PJ to go!!!
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:49
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Originally posted by LadyKnight


No not like those points ... PJ is scared of women, treats them with contempt ... unless he can fit them into a mother/family member/thinks hes great mode

As always I know what I am trying to say .. but I don't know the right words.

PJ is contemptuous (sp) of women.
Why is he? Sorry cant possibly read thru all 40 reasons again. Give me it in a sentence. or 2 i guess.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:50
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No not like those points ... PJ is scared of women, treats them with contempt ... unless he can fit them into a mother/family member/thinks hes great mode

As always I know what I am trying to say .. but I don't know the right words.

PJ is contemptuous (sp) of women.
A misogynist.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:54
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From last weeks Popbitch:
PJ from BB3 calls his penis "Whistle", according to a
drinking buddy. Why? "Because it makes dogs come".

He is charming isn't he.
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Old 08-07-2002, 17:55
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Originally posted by SpecialHat

A misogynist.
Yes I stated this earlier in a different thread ....

He is totally contemptuous (sp) of women.

Perhaps he's read the Mars and Venus book .. though I doubt it .

He is not interested in anything or anyone who cannot advance him in his career (sp again) - why did he go on BB?

He's could never hope to hack it in any form of media ...

Hey at least Lee got to join the dreamboys ... if only for a night!

What has PJ got to offer .....I was going to be crude there .. but won't

LK is nice !
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Old 08-07-2002, 18:10
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Originally posted by Storm123


Why is he? Sorry cant possibly read thru all 40 reasons again. Give me it in a sentence. or 2 i guess.
All you need to read to see what kind of pondscum he is and how contemptuous of women:

"In her official statement to Solihull police pj's girlfriend claimed: "All the time he was hitting me I felt scared because I didn't know when he would stop...

"I felt a lot of pain in my right ear when he struck me on it and I also felt pain on the back of my head from a punch or kick which caused me to almost pass out. My eyesight went funny and my head was pounding.

"I was in a lot of pain so I tried to get up and get out of the room...""

You can get a bit lower than this, but not much. He's a thoroughly nasty thug.
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Old 08-07-2002, 18:25
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Originally posted by Storm123
PJ at first was just part of the background of the house. i'm glad he has stayed in because I think it has given everyone time to see he is quite a nice guy.

But lets not forget how he was after the Jade incident. YOu may hate Jade, but she didn't deserved to be treated the way she was by PJ afterwards. Pj basically used her to get his end away and then wished he hadn't after and completely blanked her.

Has he ever referred to this incident again with Jade or explained to her why he has gone cold on her.

He is a bit of a bastard for doing this.

Does deserve to go instead of Kate. Neither will e a great loss to the interesting viewing, but both will be missed for being nice people (bar one incident)
Yes I have to agree with you on this - also what I hate about him is how he draws attention to jades stupidity by asking her a question on something she has blabbed out.
Typical bully type - trying to make himself look good by making someone else look small.
Its unfortunate that Jade has no ally in the house or he wouldnt keep getting away with this and he would have been up for eviction before now
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Old 08-07-2002, 18:26
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and sadly also Jade still adores him. She cant see thru it.
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Old 08-07-2002, 18:32
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Yes I have to agree with you on this - also what I hate about him is how he draws attention to jades stupidity by asking her a question on something she has blabbed out.
Typical bully type - trying to make himself look good by making someone else look small.
Its unfortunate that Jade has no ally in the house or he wouldnt keep getting away with this and he would have been up for eviction before now
totally agree with this.
thought that kate would help jade out over this but all she does is encourage pj when jade is out of earshot. jade thinks kate is being nice to her...if she was perhaps she should tell jade what pj says about her .all the hms are doing is laughing at jade.pj being the worst.
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Old 08-07-2002, 18:42
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Originally posted by LadyKnight

For God's sake .... please PLEASE read the 40 points....
He is NOT a nice man ...

Am really getting scared now .. is the way PJ think's about women the way ALL men think about women?
Instead of asking yourself that question, ask yourself another one.

Why is that all (statistically speaking) the femail vote goes for PJ as opposed to Tim? Diametrically opposite types for sure, but it is the same today as it was 50y ago (at least). Whatever the logic of it, women always have always fawned over the baddie.

Tim might have some faults (excluding the pathetically childish taunts about his hair colour) but PJ has some VERY severe [dangerous?] personality defects. Fact is - PJ would get the girl.

So don't blame PJ: he is just a poor product of society ;o(
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Old 08-07-2002, 20:01
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Stream A , live now.
P.J making a big attack on jade !

He in bed, jade is next to him, and he has been really laying into her about her behaviour over the last few weeks.
I can'nt see jade standing for this kinda treatment.
They all going to be doing drinking games soon, oh my god.
Things could be getting interesting real soon.
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