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Old 09-07-2002, 16:14
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Manners come with a smile and Alex did not .
He can be extremely rude...so dont be fooled by this.
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Old 09-07-2002, 16:37
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Originally posted by chloe hall
Manners come with a smile and Alex did not .
He can be extremely rude...so dont be fooled by this.
He may not have smiled but I did notice that he pulled out Jonny's seat (next to him) as Jonny was carrying his own plate so that it would be easier for him to sit down. And this from a man who 'tolerates' Jonny. Rather than rudeness, it shows a politeness and manners not seen from all the others.
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Old 09-07-2002, 16:55
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Even though I believe Alex was right in waiting for everyone to be seated. Why didn't he remind the others and tell them to wait instead of sitting there scowling. I think he would have made more of an impact by that.
...and guarantee himself 4 nominations?
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Old 09-07-2002, 16:58
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As an ex-patriot American living in the Rep. of Ireland, I can both verify and confirm that both Ireland and the USA also adhere to the "wait until everyone is seated before tucking in" way of eating dinner at the table.
I'm positive that what Alex was doing at the table was COMPLETELY lost on everyone else there.
It's weird really, there was a time when it would have been commonplace to operate in this way, but it just goes to show the changes in society over time. All the people at that table (well, Jonny is verging on 30, but hey) are in their early to mid 20s, so obviously this form of table manners (and apparently many others as well!) is now going the way of the Dodo.
It's sad really when you think about it. First it's the small things like table manners, then it's respect for other people's feelings (on a large scale), then what...?
I say it's the little considerate things we do for others that really matter.
I know sometimes people look at me like I'm a space alien when I give my seat up on the bus to an elderly person or someone who looks like they need it more than me or when I hold the door open for the person behind me when entering shops and such.
I'd like to think that by my continuing on in this manner that perhaps consideration and manners won't be completely lost in this world... at least my little corner of the world
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Old 09-07-2002, 17:20
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Originally posted by chloe hall
Manners come with a smile and Alex did not .
He can be extremely rude...so dont be fooled by this.
chloe, it would seem that some people conside table manners are more important (go figure!) than common decency. I'd rather my son ate like a pig, than be a foul mouthed,nasty gossip like Alex. >sigh<
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Old 10-07-2002, 09:01
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chloe, it would seem that some people conside table manners are more important (go figure!) than common decency. I'd rather my son ate like a pig, than be a foul mouthed,nasty gossip like Alex. >sigh<
God, I cannot agree at all. Manners are a sign of good breeding; I would rather a child of mine were able to exist in polite society without having to be embarrassed by using a cheese fork to eat the confit de canard avec sa sauce aigre-douce et pommes persillées than have "common" (ptchah!) decency. How is common decency going to get him that job at DresnerKleinwortButtnugget? How is it going to make him (and it will be a him) survive the rigours of Charterhouse? How will it make him be acceptable to his social peers at the University of Oxbridge Rejects (sorry, Durham)?
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Old 10-07-2002, 11:14
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Babycatcher did I read that correctly?

Are you a toff?

Wow - <curtsies> just as well I agree with most of your posts or it could have been off with my head

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He He!! No you read it correctly but no Toff here, thank goodness!!

Grandmother divorced Baron (fairly 2 a penny) in 1945 (or thereabouts) and all monies and properties were taken by Hitler (well, not him personally, but the regime). Lovely country manor type affair, razed to the ground after the war. No-one knows what happened to any valuables etc. Poverty reigned.
And mother married beneath her (!) and to an Englishman to boot!!! But she likes to maintain the niceties in her fantasy world.
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Old 10-07-2002, 12:41
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[SIZE=4]Manners,,,Smanners[/SIZE]

Who gives a shit about Manners, he is a camp, boring, girlie twit who better not win.

my wife is german and you lot are writing trash. germans can be just as rude as the next person.

Please stop this "oooohhh, Alex is so nice" shit ans start judging them on things that matter, like farting, fighting and pillow fights.

Now I have got that off my chest I will go back to watching this other crap mini-task. Masters and Servants, yeah good one producers. That has really made up for that piss poor weekend just gone, NOT!
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Old 10-07-2002, 12:43
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I think your post makes it quite clear that manners are of no importance to you. Perhaps you prefer boorish people who believe that abusive language and behaviour is more valuable?
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Old 11-07-2002, 07:13
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Originally posted by fallyhag
[SIZE=4]Manners,,,Smanners[/SIZE]

Who gives a shit about Manners, he is a camp, boring, girlie twit who better not win.

my wife is german and you lot are writing trash. germans can be just as rude as the next person.

Please stop this "oooohhh, Alex is so nice" shit ans start judging them on things that matter, like farting, fighting and pillow fights.

No-one has said that Germans can't be as rude as anyone else (you should have heard my grandmother on occasion). We all know about Germans and towels
What we were discussing was manners in general (which you seem to have misplaced just at the moment) and some people were putting their own cultures take on them. It was a discussion.

I would be interested in why you think that farting, fighting and pillow fights are more important things to judge people on. And how you classify it.
eg Does the best farter make the most interesting HM? In which case Alex is way up there. Not too anal in that department, he really lets rip.
How does a pillow fight display your character?
etc etc

Why not start your own thread about it Fallyhag? It could make for an amusing discussion. Tyhen posters to this one can carry on being polite.
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Old 11-07-2002, 10:33
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But didn't you think it was slightly... odd for Alex to behave so formally in such an informal environment? I mean, by all means use proper table manners for Sunday dinner or special occasions, but when you're just having a nosh-up in the Big Brother house? Seemed a bit over-formal to me. Imagine if it had been Tim glowering at the others for their rudeness - we'd all be saying "toffee-nosed snob" etc. I say all this as an Alex fan, btw.
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Old 11-07-2002, 10:47
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Originally posted by SpringHeeledJim
But didn't you think it was slightly... odd for Alex to behave so formally in such an informal environment? I mean, by all means use proper table manners for Sunday dinner or special occasions, but when you're just having a nosh-up in the Big Brother house? Seemed a bit over-formal to me. Imagine if it had been Tim glowering at the others for their rudeness - we'd all be saying "toffee-nosed snob" etc. I say all this as an Alex fan, btw.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was Sunday dinner - it could also be see to be a special occasion - as it was the first proper meal they had all had together after the divide had come down.
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Old 11-07-2002, 10:51
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Originally posted by SpringHeeledJim
But didn't you think it was slightly... odd for Alex to behave so formally in such an informal environment? I mean, by all means use proper table manners for Sunday dinner or special occasions, but when you're just having a nosh-up in the Big Brother house? Seemed a bit over-formal to me.
Maybe informal, but they were all sitting round the same table, not dotted all over the place, so I still think it's good manners to wait for everyone to sit down regardless of how informal the meal is. It's probably something he does without thinking because he was brought up that way.

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Old 11-07-2002, 10:53
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Originally posted by chrissie
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was Sunday dinner
Was it? LOL! Kind of scuppers my argument, then
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Old 11-07-2002, 11:00
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Originally posted by foxleap
As an ex-patriot American living in the Rep. of Ireland, I can both verify and confirm that both Ireland and the USA also adhere to the "wait until everyone is seated before tucking in" way of eating dinner at the table.
I'm positive that what Alex was doing at the table was COMPLETELY lost on everyone else there.
It's weird really, there was a time when it would have been commonplace to operate in this way, but it just goes to show the changes in society over time. All the people at that table (well, Jonny is verging on 30, but hey) are in their early to mid 20s, so obviously this form of table manners (and apparently many others as well!) is now going the way of the Dodo.
It's sad really when you think about it. First it's the small things like table manners, then it's respect for other people's feelings (on a large scale), then what...?
I say it's the little considerate things we do for others that really matter.
I know sometimes people look at me like I'm a space alien when I give my seat up on the bus to an elderly person or someone who looks like they need it more than me or when I hold the door open for the person behind me when entering shops and such.
I'd like to think that by my continuing on in this manner that perhaps consideration and manners won't be completely lost in this world... at least my little corner of the world
Youve summed up exactly what my thoughts have been throughout this BB series ....is this an age thing ?
I was brought up to respect people and even if I disliked someone ,I would never have been personally abusive .

I'm glad I'm "old" if the Hm's are an example of people in their 20's.All they seem to want to do is get "laggin" and bitch about each other ....I'd have joined in with the pillow fights and the trolley racing ..nothing wrong with that ..good clean fun and having a laugh ...and I'd have had the occasional booozy night ..I'm no killjoy ..but they could have found other topics to discuss other than boooze ..sex ...each other .

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Old 11-07-2002, 11:00
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Originally posted by SpringHeeledJim

Was it? LOL! Kind of scuppers my argument, then

if i knew how to use smileys i send you a few
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Old 11-07-2002, 13:22
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Youve summed up exactly what my thoughts have been throughout this BB series ....is this an age thing ?
I was brought up to respect people and even if I disliked someone ,I would never have been personally abusive .

I'm glad I'm "old" if the Hm's are an example of people in their 20's.All they seem to want to do is get "laggin" and bitch about each other ....I'd have joined in with the pillow fights and the trolley racing ..nothing wrong with that ..good clean fun and having a laugh ...and I'd have had the occasional booozy night ..I'm no killjoy ..but they could have found other topics to discuss other than boooze ..sex ...each other .

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Not sure it's an age thing. My kids are 23, 17 and 15.
I am the most lenient parent in the Universe, but I have tried to teach the kids basic manners at the least.
Please and thankyou, take your litter home if you can't find a suitable receptacle and table manners, by which like them to wait till everyone is seated (unless I tell them to start) and ask to be excused when they want to leave the table. Oh, and no open mouth with food still in it.
How anyone eats (knives and forks, forks only, or even fingers if they like) I don't really care provided they are tidy and inoffensive.

I have always been able to take any of them anywhere to eat and they have never caused offence, ( that I am aware of )

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Old 11-07-2002, 14:15
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Not sure it's an age thing. My kids are 23, 17 and 15.
I am the most lenient parent in the Universe, but I have tried to teach the kids basic manners at the least.
Please and thankyou, take your litter home if you can't find a suitable receptacle and table manners, by which like them to wait till everyone is seated (unless I tell them to start) and ask to be excused when they want to leave the table. Oh, and no open mouth with food still in it.
How anyone eats (knives and forks, forks only, or even fingers if they like) I don't really care provided they are tidy and inoffensive.

I have always been able to take any of them anywhere to eat and they have never caused offence, ( that I am aware of )

I agree totally I have 4 boys ages 22/15/11/9 but I work with a large amount of 20 somethings .I cant imagine a good few of them ever getting up for anybody on a bus and the talk is predominantly the same as the housemates chats ..sex ..booze ...bitching ....I pray my sons wont "change " .

And yep they wouldnt dream of starting a meal in a situation like that unless given permission by the host ...maybe my kids are "old fashioned" because I seemingly am ...long may they stay that way
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Old 11-07-2002, 14:30
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Oh you lot are making me feel really hungry!! I want a nice big dinner cooked for me now!!!
For the record, my manners must be terrible....I knew about waiting for everyone to be seated, but not about the wiping mouth bit...and Iwent to boarding school as well

However, back to Alex, I think he's a very nice young man and one that I wouldn't kick out bed for farting
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Old 11-07-2002, 17:44
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Oh you are all soooooo nice

When the food is on the table it starts to go cold. Does good manners state that you must have manners and eat cold food?

They are in there to have a bloody good time and entertain us. It is not rocket science and there is no requirement to foolow sheep. Lets just leave the hang ups of the outside world well and truely outside and just let them get on with acting normally. There is plenty of time after the show for them to be all serious and considerate.

and yes, I do fart, I do eat my food when I get it and no I dont open doors for women not in wheelchairs.

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Old 11-07-2002, 18:12
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Originally posted by fallyhag
Oh you are all soooooo nice

and yes, I do fart, I do eat my food when I get it and no I dont open doors for women not in wheelchairs.

Are you related to Spencer

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Old 11-07-2002, 18:25
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It strikes me Alex has been brought up to have respect for women - he loves them
I think he's actually been showing Kate a startling lack of respect for the past few days. He will soon be swapping places with Jonny on my personal HM popularity poll.
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Old 11-07-2002, 20:47
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Originally posted by chrissie
It strikes me Alex has been brought up to have respect for women - he loves them.
He doesnt force himself - he's kind - he's not afraid to show himself with all his faults.
Some men could learn a lot from him.


( wormy little impostor )

Manners and men learning a lot! I take it you have never had to enter or leave a doorway after a woman? personally I dont bother opening doors or keeping doors open for women anymore, they are either pig ignorant or blind but the majority seem to waltz through with diplomatic immunity!
as for learning from alex, forget it, it is all a front. Yes im sure he has got manners but he is a spoilt brat demanding attention and gullible women are buying it. This is the BB house for christ sake.
Another thing, am I the only person who saw alex punch Kate in the stomach during a 'play fight' and then pin her to the floor! oops! alex was drunk, he has a valid excuse!
Jonny or pj would be slaughtered for such actions, shouldnt alex know better?
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Old 11-07-2002, 20:55
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personally I dont bother opening doors or keeping doors open for women anymore, they are either pig ignorant or blind but the majority seem to waltz through with diplomatic immunity!
It isn't just women who are 'pig ignorant or blind' when it comes to holding doors open for them. I quite regularly hold doors open for both sexes and can't say I see much difference in the level of ignorance to be honest. Some men are just as bad. Oh and btw I'm certainly not gullible, far from it in fact.

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Old 11-07-2002, 21:08
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Originally posted by foxleap
As an ex-patriot American living in the Rep. of Ireland, I can both verify and confirm that both Ireland and the USA also adhere to the "wait until everyone is seated before tucking in" way of eating dinner at the table.
I'm positive that what Alex was doing at the table was COMPLETELY lost on everyone else there.
It's weird really, there was a time when it would have been commonplace to operate in this way, but it just goes to show the changes in society over time. All the people at that table (well, Jonny is verging on 30, but hey) are in their early to mid 20s, so obviously this form of table manners (and apparently many others as well!) is now going the way of the Dodo.
It's sad really when you think about it. First it's the small things like table manners, then it's respect for other people's feelings (on a large scale), then what...?
I say it's the little considerate things we do for others that really matter.
I know sometimes people look at me like I'm a space alien when I give my seat up on the bus to an elderly person or someone who looks like they need it more than me or when I hold the door open for the person behind me when entering shops and such.
I'd like to think that by my continuing on in this manner that perhaps consideration and manners won't be completely lost in this world... at least my little corner of the world
Foxleap .. you have restored my faith in the human race. I grew up in N.Ireland and the people there in general have better manners - care more about other people and in generally will go out of their way to help others if they can.

Before everyone lambasts me about N.Ireland I am not talking about the few maniacs that you hear about on the news.

As I was always told as a child - and still adhere to today, it costs nothing to be polite.

Not one of the housemates had the first clue while Alex was waiting. Not even Timmy who I believe is supposed to have manners



personally I dont bother opening doors or keeping doors open for women anymore, they are either pig ignorant or blind but the majority seem to waltz through with diplomatic immunity
Thats a sad reflection on you fatherjack. What do you do - let the doors slam shut on the women struggling with shopping and/or kiddies trying to get through them

Shame on you.

LK - likes nice manners
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