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The public put Maria in the bottom two - its our fault not Lous' |
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The public put Maria in the bottom two - its our fault not Lous'
She was in the bottom two by virtue of the public vote - nothing to do with anything else.
If Louis was voting on the basis of talent he should have kept Maria. However this is a competion for the judges as well as the artists (which I personally think is a fatal flaw in the whole concept of the show). However given that is the case by eliminating Maria he made the competition less strong, and thus tactically he made the right decision. Personally I am a neither a fan of the Conways or Maria, however along with Nicholas they were the worst performances tonight and did deserve to be in the bottom two. The judges can only vote between who they had been given. Louis voted either tactically or because he has a history with the Conways - but it was no different to Sharon voting for Chenai because she was a woman. This show has nothing to do with who is the artsit who is going to do best in the music industry, its about making good Saturday night TV. By Maria going it gives us all something to talk about until next week.
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Of course it's his fault, he made the bloody decision, even if it is the publics fault for her being in the bottom 2. He still chose the talentless 4 over her.
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As I said in another thread - Maria and the Conways were in the bottom two, BUT how do we know Maria was the one with the least votes? We do NOT see the results, so the Conways might have been in last place - but Louis saved them. We need to see the results after the judges have made their decision.
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Originally Posted by Chocolate Bunny
Of course it's his fault, he made the bloody decision, even if it is the publics fault for her being in the bottom 2. He still chose the talentless 4 over her.
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If Maria is as brilliant as the sentiment on this MB why was she in the bottom two? 7 acts have scored higher votes than her. Something went wrong somewhere. She had talent, undeniably, but she is very similar to alot of the acts left on the show. SHayne. ANdy, Brenda, Maria and JS are appealing to similar democraphics. SOme are going to drop sooner or later unless the apathetic make a phone call.
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Originally Posted by Cornchips
If we hadn't not voted for her - then she would have been safe. Basically she didn't get the votes, therefore she isn't popular with the public - at least this week anyway - we are after all a very strange lot us public.
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I think there was a complacent factor I thought it was a given she was through also. Though still chico stays over maria how wrong is that.
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Geezer
If Maria is as brilliant as the sentiment on this MB why was she in the bottom two? 7 acts have scored higher votes than her. Something went wrong somewhere. She had talent, undeniably, but she is very similar to alot of the acts left on the show. SHayne. ANdy, Brenda, Maria and JS are appealing to similar democraphics. SOme are going to drop sooner or later unless the apathetic make a phone call.
if she was that popular she would not have been in the bottom two |
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I can't believe people are surprised. Maria is a woman and this is the UK. Do people honestly think she stood a chance against any of the males? Do me a favour! Watch Brenda and the Conways drop next.
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I agree with Cornchips, Louis decision could have been for many different reasons; knowing the Conways, them being Irish, tactical voting etc. Ultimately it's the public that put Maria in the bottom two.
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It is the judge with the deciding vote to send the worst one home. Louis did not do that tonight.
As you can tell by the reaction of the audience and forum members here. Louis made the wrong decision. That is the issue here. |
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Originally Posted by Kewpee
I agree with Cornchips, Louis decision could have been for many different reasons; knowing the Conways, them being Irish, tactical voting etc. Ultimately it's the public that put Maria in the bottom two.
When asked, 92% of the public thought the decision to vote out Maria over the Conways was wrong. Because of how the sure works, ultimately it is the judges that are to blame or to thank for who goes, and ultimately it is perfectly fair to be critical of Louis for making what was an unfathomable choice. |
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Originally Posted by Chocolate Bunny
So what? That still doesn't change the fact that the guy who manages Westlife chose the a lesser talented act who support his band over one of the best performers in the competition.
And just what has Westlife got to do with it - were they there? Did they vote? |
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Originally Posted by bob_loblaw
It is the judge with the deciding vote to send the worst one home. Louis did not do that tonight.
As you can tell by the reaction of the audience and forum members here. Louis made the wrong decision. That is the issue here. |
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Originally Posted by Chocolate Bunny
And ultimately it's the judges that should put through the better talent, and even who they think the public want to go through. That's how it has been every week.
When asked, 92% of the public thought the decision to vote out Maria over the Conways was wrong. Because of how the sure works, ultimately it is the judges that are to blame or to thank for who goes, and ultimately it is perfectly fair to be critical of Louis for making what was an unfathomable choice. This programme is not about finding the most talented - and everyone would fair much better if they just got over that. Its about making good Saturday night TV - creating a stir and making people watch. Its irrelevant who wins as they won't be the ones who really win. The judges are in competition with each other - and therefore by voting the Conways through Louis has weakened his competition. That is what its all about - the judges and TV - nothing else. |
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Originally Posted by Bekhesh
I can't believe people are surprised. Maria is a woman and this is the UK. Do people honestly think she stood a chance against any of the males? Do me a favour! Watch Brenda and the Conways drop next.
I think people assumed she was safe maybe. I cannot see how she could be behind Chico and Nicolas. Louis saved the conways because they were Irish. That is'nt racism at all, but its still a decision based on the wrong criteria, imo. and a very very bad decision as well. |
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Originally Posted by slappers r us
sharon did it so why cant louie
This is totally different. Maria is far far more talented than The Conway Sisters. Even people who like the CS will tell you that Maria should not have gone when she was up against them. |
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yeh in YOUR opinion Maria is more talented that the Conways - not in mine. I must however agree that it was a travesty that 4tune went out instead of Chenai merely because they are blokes!
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Originally Posted by Cornchips
In YOUR opinion. Personally I don't rate Maria (I don't rate the Conways either for that matter). If Maria is one of the best "performers" in the competition how come she did exactly the same performance tonight (with all the same body movements and hand getures) that she has done to every song so far?
Mick bloody Jagger's been doing the same performance for 50 bloody years. Maria had a great vocal range, and good voice, and a lot of energy when she performed. She went out to 4 of the most insipid things I've ever seen on television. What's your idea of a talented performer? And you know full well what Westlife has to do with it, as Simon, Louis and The Conways are all connected in some way via them. |
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Yes I understand Maria was in the bottom 2, but isn't it the point of having a judge's vote to ensure that talented singers stay in the competition. At the end of the day, Maria is more talented than The Conway Sisters!
That's why it is so shocking! |
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Originally Posted by Cornchips
No it hasn't been like that every week. Chenai went through over 4tune - the latter of which were undoubtedly more talented.
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The judges are in competition with each other - and therefore by voting the Conways through Louis has weakened his competition.
So now you think Maria was competition?
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