Those of you who are downing the effects this may have on Jade, please think again.

I'm not condoning what she did, it was stupid and she was drunk (and she has been warned about getting drunk by BB already), but she IS younger than her 21 years.

When I was....ooo.... I must have been 16 or so, I went on a six week trip to a third world country with a bunch of similar aged kids (with three older "gaurdians"). We were allowed to drink alcohol throughout, and on an overnight "sleeper train" I was goaded into playing a strip game (I forget the nature of the game now) whilst drunk. One of the blokes there took advantage and 'things' happened. I was a virgin at the time (no, we didn't have intercourse) and I was dreadfully embarrassed about the whole thing afterwards. It took me a very long time to get over it (to be honest I felt that I had been taken advantage of whilst drunk, almost to the extent of sexual abuse). I am now much older and much wiser and put the incident behind me a few decades ago, but I still remember how it made me feel.

I can imagine that Jade is feeling similar things about both of her sexual faux pax's. She is naive and wants to please people, and I suspect she thinks she can win men by sexual means. Yes, she has been foolish, and if she'd been sober wouldn't have done either, but I can imagine how she is feeling right now - totally disgusted with herself, her dignity totally destroyed. She may be a stupid foolish child, but I feel the slagging off of her here is a little harsh - PJ (in the first incident) and the others (in the second) are more at fault for not protecting her more. Taking advantage is more of a crime than being foolish and naive in my book.

While I appreciate that what's happening to Jade is a fundamental abbrogation of societal interplay, I cannot help but disagree on a question of permission. The point can be raised time and time that "They're still human beings!!!" but its foundations are waived away by the contracts the contestant signs. With these contracts, they throw aside any compunction from the audience, because it is now the audience's role to judge them - mainly by seeing how closely they fit a few archetypes of young Britain. But of course, we are empathic. My only question is, how far can you care for someone who asks to be viewed as entertainment?

That was the first thing I thought of too, yup yup

Agreed - on the whole: it was 'entertainment' only if you enjoy the spectacle of someone humiliating themselves; wittingly or -in this case - unwittingly. Perhaps the rest of the HMs didn't switch into 'protection' mode as they were afraid of being perceived by the public as 'killjoys'....or perhaps they're just a bunch of irresponsible, self-centred kids who are only too aware of the embarrassing spectacle Jade is making of herself...and tacitly encouraging it. Somehow I feel that, had Adele or Sandy still been inside the house, one or both of them would have stepped in to stop it.

As for PJ: his treatment of Jade is now verging on the positively sadistic. He condescends to her - and undermines her - in public; he disdains her in private (but only, note, when he is 100% sure that he has the 'backing' of the rest of the HMs - and that they can hear him doing it); worst of all, he devalues the 'relationship' they may have once enjoyed, knowing full well that such a devaluation will wound her deeply, as she had previously set great store by it.

Personally, I have never 'liked' Jade, but the more I see of her the more clear it becomes that she is, in essence, simply a bit of a loudmouthed ignoramus - like many millions of others - with a (regrettable) penchant for what she probably perceives as harmless gossip but which is, in the hothouse context of BB, viewed as 'betrayal' - both by the other HMs and by the public. She is, also, clearly very emotionally vulnerable - and extremely sensitive to others' opinions of her. I said weeks ago that I feared for her on her return to the outside world. Those fears are now magnified...

I've said it before and I'll say it again.......
Jade has been warned by BB about her drinking - she has chosen to ignore this in the last week since Adelle has been evicted, probably because she feels more confident about the perception of her in the outside world. I do not think it is the responsibilily of the other hms to nurse-maid Jade. Despite many opinions to the contrary Jade is an adult, who I'm quite convinced is not as stupid as she makes out. Jade uses that particular persona to her advantage - and the baby talk - so that the rest of the hms will indulge her and forgive her excesses. In moments when she feels under threat she can talk surprisingly sensibly. If Jade wants to strip naked she will - the others were behaving typically of p****d up people playing a game. Jade has felt no qualms about taking off her clothes for cameras before - at some point she must accept responsibility for her own behaviour. I still can't understand all the hang-ups about female nudity - people didn't bat an eyelid or comment on the 'abusiveness' of the situation when the guys got naked in the pool. This is the 21st Century, what happened to equality and all that?

Sarah
Female and unashamed

Funniest episode ever, Jade knows what alcohol does to her, she's not that daft! Classic episode!!!!!

I don't understand why Kate should have intervened. They were all drunk but surely knew what they were doing. On the rest of your points - I totally agree. Most people have gotten drunk and shed some clothes at some point in their lives - or is that just me?

I think Jade is one very clever girl. First of all, you don't become a dental nurse if you're as stupid as she makes out. Secondly, she's posed for nude pics before so getting her clothes off is no big deal for her. Finally, who else are we all talking about? She knows she's the entertainment factor in the house, she also probably knows that girls don't have as good a chance as the boys of winning so she's going all out for a page three/men & Motors career when she gets out. Best of luck to her, I wouldn't want to see her win but she has been entertaining and fun to watch.(with the exception of her treatment of Sophie)

For the life of me, I can't understand why any woman wouldn't have intervened on Jade's behalf. What's Kate like? [/b][/quote]

AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO NOTICED THAT KATE WAS FULLY CLOTHED?????

Why is everyone blaming Kate?????????????

I am 21, bored and sexually frustrated (girlf gone home for 2 months ) but that sort of behaviour isn't to be expected.

maybe its cos i am intelligent, have a bit of self respect, have some self restraint etc etc. what am i saying? yes, the housemates dont have those qualities at all

is that why they were picked?

Why do we have to make excuses for any of them..???

Does anyone really think Jade didnt know what she was doing?? No, she knew exactly what she was doing, she knows that their every move is recorded and she was loving every second of it.
If she didnt want to do it, she would have told the others to knob off and strip off themselves if they wanted some bare flesh/cheap thrills... She didnt, because she is a silly little slapper who will do anything for attention/70K.

I dont blame Kate for letting her do it. I would imagine if Kate had thought that Jade was being used, made of fool of (without her consent) or was really too drunk to know what was happening she or any of the guys would have stepped in and called it a day.. they didnt because they know what she is like.

Jade hit the bottle after her confrontation with PJ. She was clearly in bits following this encounter and even PJ admitted in the Diary Room she was drowning her sorrows in loads of wine. Jade has laid off the alcohol and did seem to be calming down this week. I think the Jade's antics are the direct result of her sense of loss at losing PJ as a friend.

Jade had already hit an all time low at the time of the argument and all the house knew this. But instead of offering any support (ok some of you will say that after her behaviour she doesn't deserve it) they worked on her insecurities and obvious drunken state and rigged a game, with open maliciousness towards her and allowed her to humilate herself on national television. None of the HMs I believe deserve to win the £70K after their behaviour that night.

I entirely agree Kim !

Back to the suggestion I made yesterday. Give it to me and I'll have a party and invite the entire forum

LK finally we agree on something - PARTY!!!!

I promise I won't strip!!

Wouldn't want to scare the other forum members. But if I do start losing my inhibitions PLEASE STOP ME.

None of them deserve it anyway, regardless of last night.!! Cant believe that anyone could defend Jade actions stripping off, sitting with her legs at a right angle and saying that her "kebabs on show" (classy bird) as a way of handling losing a friend.. if so the girl needs some serious help but then again dont think theres any question about that anyway!

I'm not defending her actions I just wished someone would have stopped her degrading herself. I believe that Jade does need serious help and should never have been allowed in the house in the first place - she does not have the intelligence or life experience to deal with this sort of exposure.

Just checked out the papers on here today .

so wished I hadn't ...Is it just me or does this picture depicting Jade with her tongue out like a dog disgust anyone else ...


Sad ...very sad at people

http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,2,00.html

Although I dislike Jade intensely, those Sun pictures have gone too far. She does not deserve that personal, vitriolic attack that the Sun have dont to her.

I just emailed them and told them what i thought.

Daisyanne

I really don't understand all this fuss. Every single one of those housemates knew what they were letting themselves in for when they signed up for BB.

They are all adults, despite the arguments going backwards and forwards between Forum members to the contrary, and should be completely accountable for their own actions.

If they want to play strip party games, fuelled by alcohol, it is entirely up to them. They know there are cameras on them 24 hours a day and they along choose if they are going to make fools of themselves.

Kate is not responsible for Jade, Jade is responsible for herself. Let her take the responsibility for her own actions. If she feels stupid and humiliated afterwards it is entirely her own fault.