I recorded the second episode of Rome last Wednesday on the 9200T, and we got sound, but instead of the actors' voices, it was a plot summary read by an actor. Was this part of the original broadcast or did the Humax pick up another signal for the soundtrack?
Rome 2nd episode
I recorded the same episode on my 8000T and watched it last night and the soundtrack was the actor's voices not a plot summary. Sounds like yet another weird sound related activity of the 9200T.
Originally Posted by cacofonix:
“I recorded the second episode of Rome last Wednesday on the 9200T, and we got sound, but instead of the actors' voices, it was a plot summary read by an actor. Was this part of the original broadcast or did the Humax pick up another signal for the soundtrack?”
“I recorded the second episode of Rome last Wednesday on the 9200T, and we got sound, but instead of the actors' voices, it was a plot summary read by an actor. Was this part of the original broadcast or did the Humax pick up another signal for the soundtrack?”
Maybe some Jobsworth found that one of the actors was a member of Sinn Fein and that the order banning such folk speaking live on UK media still hadn't been rescinded?
Seriously, my recording of the second episode was fine, but what I'd recorded wasn't the original broadcast on the Wednesday, but the repeat (Sunday). Watched recording last night (Monday) - no probs.
A similar oddity for me was that a recording of Hitchcock's Vertigo from about a week ago had a gent giving a sign language version of the soundtrack in bottom right corner. Except he was rather large, and was so distracting it made viewing impractical. Anyone else have this, or able to offer an explanation of what options button I might inadvertently have pushed?
Barry
Originally Posted by youngbaz:
“A similar oddity for me was that a recording of Hitchcock's Vertigo from about a week ago had a gent giving a sign language version of the soundtrack in bottom right corner. Except he was rather large, and was so distracting it made viewing impractical. Anyone else have this, or able to offer an explanation of what options button I might inadvertently have pushed?”
“A similar oddity for me was that a recording of Hitchcock's Vertigo from about a week ago had a gent giving a sign language version of the soundtrack in bottom right corner. Except he was rather large, and was so distracting it made viewing impractical. Anyone else have this, or able to offer an explanation of what options button I might inadvertently have pushed?”
Barry,
That's obviously nothing to do with the decode of the signal (unlike the spoken commentary thing which is the second audio carrier that is there for blind/opartially sighted people on a lot of programs these days). The fat man in the corner was because that particular showing of Vertigo was obvioulsy specifically for deaf people. It's just a shame the EPG didn't say this. I recorded it but then wiped rather than recording to DVDR cos of this. There was also Alfred Hitchcock's "Rope" shown during the night that week too, which I also recorded and which also had the fat man with the wavy arms.
(at least if freed a bit of space on my HDD when I wiped the recordings!)
Cliff
Originally Posted by cacofonix:
“I recorded the second episode of Rome last Wednesday on the 9200T, and we got sound, but instead of the actors' voices, it was a plot summary read by an actor. Was this part of the original broadcast or did the Humax pick up another signal for the soundtrack?”
“I recorded the second episode of Rome last Wednesday on the 9200T, and we got sound, but instead of the actors' voices, it was a plot summary read by an actor. Was this part of the original broadcast or did the Humax pick up another signal for the soundtrack?”
This is interesting, I too recorded the second episode of Rome on the 9200T and transfered it over to my PC. When I played back the transfered recording (MPEG2-TS file) it played back fine. When I converted it to the MPEG2-PS format, required for DVD authoring, it played the voiced summary.
Now the Transport Stream file does hold two audio streams and when de-muxed these indeed have the acting sound track and summary track. Unfortunately I no longer have Rome on the 9200T so I can't check which one played back. It does seem strange that your recording played back the summary, if this was common I would have assumed there would be more people pointing this out on this forum.
Originally Posted by Schnauzer Bites:
“I recorded the same episode on my 8000T and watched it last night and the soundtrack was the actor's voices not a plot summary. Sounds like yet another weird sound related activity of the 9200T.”
“I recorded the same episode on my 8000T and watched it last night and the soundtrack was the actor's voices not a plot summary. Sounds like yet another weird sound related activity of the 9200T.”
Is this something to do with the Audio Language settings in the Preferences menu?
Originally Posted by CJL:
“Barry,
That's obviously nothing to do with the decode of the signal (unlike the spoken commentary thing which is the second audio carrier that is there for blind/opartially sighted people on a lot of programs these days). The fat man in the corner was because that particular showing of Vertigo was obvioulsy specifically for deaf people. It's just a shame the EPG didn't say this. I recorded it but then wiped rather than recording to DVDR cos of this. There was also Alfred Hitchcock's "Rope" shown during the night that week too, which I also recorded and which also had the fat man with the wavy arms.
(at least if freed a bit of space on my HDD when I wiped the recordings!)
Cliff”
“Barry,
That's obviously nothing to do with the decode of the signal (unlike the spoken commentary thing which is the second audio carrier that is there for blind/opartially sighted people on a lot of programs these days). The fat man in the corner was because that particular showing of Vertigo was obvioulsy specifically for deaf people. It's just a shame the EPG didn't say this. I recorded it but then wiped rather than recording to DVDR cos of this. There was also Alfred Hitchcock's "Rope" shown during the night that week too, which I also recorded and which also had the fat man with the wavy arms.
(at least if freed a bit of space on my HDD when I wiped the recordings!)
Cliff”
Hi Cliff
Thanks for that. I'd twigged that it was nothing to do with the decoding - hence my wondering whether I'd inadvertently pushed an option button somewhere, even tho' I couldn't see logically how they could optionalise our man. Much relieved to hear it was universal - 'er indoors had told me I was a right narner! Would have been acceptable if they'd scaled him down a tad - I don't find the lady on the late night BBC repeats nearly so obtrusive.
Barry
Originally Posted by CJL:
“The fat man in the corner was because that particular showing of Vertigo was obvioulsy specifically for deaf people.”
“The fat man in the corner was because that particular showing of Vertigo was obvioulsy specifically for deaf people.”
It is of course a good thing that this sort of thing happens. I hope they will broadcast Vertigo again without, as it was a restored version with no edits (as far as I could see).
Originally Posted by cacofonix:
“I recorded the second episode of Rome last Wednesday on the 9200T, and we got sound, but instead of the actors' voices, it was a plot summary read by an actor. Was this part of the original broadcast or did the Humax pick up another signal for the soundtrack?”
“I recorded the second episode of Rome last Wednesday on the 9200T, and we got sound, but instead of the actors' voices, it was a plot summary read by an actor. Was this part of the original broadcast or did the Humax pick up another signal for the soundtrack?”
I can select between the Two soundtracks on this recording using the 'soundtrack' button under the flap.
Originally Posted by Barry:
“I can select between the Two soundtracks on this recording using the 'soundtrack' button under the flap.”
“I can select between the Two soundtracks on this recording using the 'soundtrack' button under the flap.”
Yeesss! Altho' I hadn't experienced the original prob I have just gone back to my recording and, as you say, am able to switch freely between the normal soundtrack and the soundtrack description for the visually impaired. Job done?
Akshly the alternative soundtrack helped explain some of the things going on that we, being cognitively impaired, had failed to work out when we first watched it.
(I also can't believe that I didn't delete once watched - those 160GBs sure make you casual.)BarryII
All is well, my recording of Rome did have the full soundtrack available, and so did my recording of QI, just don't know why it chose to record them like that in the first place?
Originally Posted by cacofonix:
“All is well, my recording of Rome did have the full soundtrack available, and so did my recording of QI, just don't know why it chose to record them like that in the first place?”
“All is well, my recording of Rome did have the full soundtrack available, and so did my recording of QI, just don't know why it chose to record them like that in the first place?”
At last - a success!
I hope it was worth it.Barry
Originally Posted by CJL:
“Barry,
That's obviously nothing to do with the decode of the signal (unlike the spoken commentary thing which is the second audio carrier that is there for blind/opartially sighted people on a lot of programs these days). The fat man in the corner was because that particular showing of Vertigo was obvioulsy specifically for deaf people. It's just a shame the EPG didn't say this. I recorded it but then wiped rather than recording to DVDR cos of this. There was also Alfred Hitchcock's "Rope" shown during the night that week too, which I also recorded and which also had the fat man with the wavy arms.
(at least if freed a bit of space on my HDD when I wiped the recordings!)
Cliff”
“Barry,
That's obviously nothing to do with the decode of the signal (unlike the spoken commentary thing which is the second audio carrier that is there for blind/opartially sighted people on a lot of programs these days). The fat man in the corner was because that particular showing of Vertigo was obvioulsy specifically for deaf people. It's just a shame the EPG didn't say this. I recorded it but then wiped rather than recording to DVDR cos of this. There was also Alfred Hitchcock's "Rope" shown during the night that week too, which I also recorded and which also had the fat man with the wavy arms.
(at least if freed a bit of space on my HDD when I wiped the recordings!)
Cliff”
I taped (sorry recorded) Rope as well and dumped it as soon as I spotted the bloke waving his arms. the last time it was on they made a point of showing with no breaks (for those that don't know the USP of the film is that it is shot as if it is one long scene with reel changes hidden by panning behind sofas etc)
Rear Window is on in the early hours next week which probably means it'll be ruined by the wavy-arm-bloke too, although there is no mention of it in the Radio Times.
I assume if I tape it off analogue on the VCR it'll be shown without him?
I think it's a good thing that these things are done to cater for the deaf but speaking totally selfishly I personally find it ruins it for me. It's a shame it can't be switched off like subtitles.
Regards
David
Originally Posted by David B:
“I assume if I tape it off analogue on the VCR it'll be shown without him?”
“I assume if I tape it off analogue on the VCR it'll be shown without him?”
I dount it - apart from aspect ratio variations I cannot remember an occasion when the analogue and digital transmissions on BBC1/2/ITV1/Ch4/Ch5 have ever featured different content. The wavy armed man is NOT a digital artefact
Originally Posted by CJL:
“I dount it - apart from aspect ratio variations I cannot remember an occasion when the analogue and digital transmissions on BBC1/2/ITV1/Ch4/Ch5 have ever featured different content. The wavy armed man is NOT a digital artefact ”
“I dount it - apart from aspect ratio variations I cannot remember an occasion when the analogue and digital transmissions on BBC1/2/ITV1/Ch4/Ch5 have ever featured different content. The wavy armed man is NOT a digital artefact
”
I may be wrong but I seem to remember that the omnibus of Hollyoaks on Sunday on C4 has, or had, the man doing the John McCririck impression on digital but not on analogue. (I only spotted this whilst channel hopping you understand - I don't watch it, 'honest guv')
Also I wonder what sign language they're using? Imagine how annoyed you'd be as a Maketon signer to find they used ASL on the TV
Regards
David
Originally Posted by CJL:
“I dount it - apart from aspect ratio variations I cannot remember an occasion when the analogue and digital transmissions on BBC1/2/ITV1/Ch4/Ch5 have ever featured different content. The wavy armed man is NOT a digital artefact ”
“I dount it - apart from aspect ratio variations I cannot remember an occasion when the analogue and digital transmissions on BBC1/2/ITV1/Ch4/Ch5 have ever featured different content. The wavy armed man is NOT a digital artefact
”
Ah, but it is the digital licensing which requires a certain proportion of signed content so very often broadcasters only superimpose the signing on the digital version.
This license requirement was put in before digital started broadcasting (obviously) and it was assumed in those days that it could be made optional. This has proved to be difficult in practise so they have to put the signing 'in vision', that is why they tend to do it only on late night repeats, it keeps the percentage up without annoying too many viewers. Not very helpful for 'speakers' of sign language but that doesn't amount to too many complaints so they can get away with it.
I have found that problem too. I admit to watching Home & Away and record most episodes at lunchtime. Until last thursday i was using my vcr (no signing), i then switched to my parents freeview box (signing). Now i have caught up a bit with my tv watching i have found this annoying feature (and yes it is listed in the tv guide as sign lanuage). I got my 9200 yesterday and reset the recording to evening (hopefuly no sl)
