There are some comments on here criticising Zoe for being "too desperate" in her drive to win, then there are comments criticising Patsy for not wanting to win it enough! Damned if they do, damned if they don't! Has anyone calculated the formula for the precise percentage of winningness that is allowed/not allowed before it becomes regarded as a negative feature? Or (dare I suggest it) is it the case that there are some people who are very uncomfortable with any equation involving "woman + ambition"? I don't see the same degree of attack towards the male celebrities for working very hard & wanting to do well (Darren, Colin) or having a bit of a laugh with it all (Bill)

personally, i think they've all got great (but very different attitudes) now fiona has gone.

i do think the delectable mark frith had a point yesterday on ITT though regarding patsy and how she's perceived

There has been much discussion about our two remaining female celebrities, it must be said. The forums are hot-beds of male discussion too, but a lot of times it is about how attractive they are (I wholeheartedly endorse this use of the forums - it is all in good fun ).

It's funny to see the trends in discussion each week, and a few people have made the insightful comments that we have an inherent desire to cast people in roles that entertain us. I don't mind us all speculating as we do, as long as we realise that we are tyring to fuel some drama and gossip to talk about. Often times we're looking for shadows in the air.

Brendan and Fiona have gone, so we look for discord elsewhere - Patsy and Anton, and on some threads Erin and Colin. People are split on whether it is Patsy or Anton that has the bad attitude - this is based on one dance and some footage from last week.

We have our love story in Camilla and James, but if they left would we look for sparks elsewhere?

Last year, Denise was looked upon by some as 'too competitive and hard-faced'. It seems Ian's partner is currently filling that role again this year. Zoe is also getting the 'she's favourite with the judges so we'll vote elsewhere' shtick that Jill got last year. There is a report of Zoe seeking professional dance help, but ITT films them training and has not brought this up - why? Is it even true? Does it even matter - when all the others may similarly go to other experts to tidy up parts of their technique. The Mirror knows they used up their Brendan-mileage, so they've moved on to the other contestants.

I'm not sure why I seem to be largely writing in rhetoric - but there we go! I'm glad we all change and discuss every nuance and rumour that comes up - it's why this forum and this programme is so interesting - long may it continue

If being "too-competitive" means better dancing and performances why would anyone not want that?

Oh gawd - if it isn't 'leave X alone' or 'leave Y alone' threads, it's hysterical post-feminist conspiracy threads...

I don't resent anyone for wanting to win (if they can win); I just don't think Zoe is getting fair marks for her latin dances.

I don't resent anyone for not wanting to win (or realising that they can't win); I just don't think Patsy gives Anton enough respect.

Comprende?
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Captain sensible - aptly named - totally agree

"hysterical post-feminist conspiracy" ~ please can you identify which comments made by any of the posters on this thread prior to yours are hysterical, post-feminist, or conspiratorial? I cannot detect any hysteria at all! (Hysteria being defined as behavior exhibiting excessive or uncontrollable emotion, such as fear or panic); "post-feminist" is a nonsensical media sound-bite, and the sinister implications of the term "conspiracy" is the most hysterical terminology on here! The discussion was fairly balanced and considered up until a point.

Is this forum only for the discussion of the relative merits of the chests & backsides of the male dancers?


"Comprende?" ~ patronizing, toi?
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I know and what about this One week Arlene etc said Anton and Patsy must have fallen for each other now she thinks they dont go together

My thoughts on all this; & people are welcome to shoot me down in flames if they don't agree with me, are that many of the stories that are appearing in the tabloids are more to do with selling newspapers than with any real interest in who wins SCD.

They are more like those we have come to expect with regard to the more normal reality TV shows; eg. "Big Brother", "The X Factor", in that they have to seek an angle on th show which looks for scandal & discord amongst the competitors.

The tendency is to overlook the fact that a hell of a lot of us actually enjoy watching SCD out of pure enjoyment of the dancing & admiration for , both, the celebs & pros in being able to achieve the results they do in the short time available to them each week.

Patsy & Anton were the first to actually address this; on ITT last night, & point out that much of what is being printed about the show is just so much hot air & speculation; note how the authors of these stories very rarely give an origin for their reports, other than an "inside source", & she was fully aware that she has probably turned the press against her completely by doing so.

Yes, I do feel that the judges are very inconsistent in their marking & comments:

Len admitted, last night, that Zoe's samba got higher marks than the others because it felt more like what a samba should be about, after criticising Colin & Erin for having lots of passion but few basic steps, whilst they returned to complaining about Darren's physique; never actually commenting on the Viennese Waltz that he & Lilia performed.

Also, as I've stated before, it does annoy me that they will state that one couple have performed the best latin & another the best ballroom dance of the evening, & then give noting like similar marks for the two couples.

Fine, my own favourites are Darren & Lilia, but I've noticed this difference in teh comments & marks awarded affecting virtually all of the couples. As James has asked, on more than one occaision, it must leave them wondering what exactly they have to do to satisfy the judges & leave them, at times, disheartened.

Glen

Absolutely ~ on saturday Bruno gave 7's to Patsy, Bill, Will, Darren & Dennis, despite saying that Bill was poised controlled & elegant, but Darren was a dalek!