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Old 15-11-2005, 22:44
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Just say louis and the conway sisters were not irish and a different ethnic group would sharon osbourne have said what she did it seems to me sharon likes the attention of the press too much and wants to try to steal the limelight of louis and simon.i used to respect this woman but she has seriously lost the plot, with these comments and using the media to her advantage.
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Old 15-11-2005, 22:46
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sharon only said what everyone else wass thinking.
As soon as we knew who the bottom 2 were me and my family said to each other if louis keeps in conways it'll only be because they are Irish.
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:01
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yes but ask yourself if louis and conway sisters were not irish but perhaps black, asian or german would sharon have still said it i think not !she just took an oppurtunity to have a go at louis and stir up the audience so she could have sunday headlines again,perhaps i am wrong but she was not shouting about irish bias last year when tabby was there, in fact she was using the irish vote to her advantage.
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:15
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Originally Posted by godlives
yes but ask yourself if louis and conway sisters were not irish but perhaps black, asian or german would sharon have still said it i think not !she just took an oppurtunity to have a go at louis and stir up the audience so she could have sunday headlines again,perhaps i am wrong but she was not shouting about irish bias last year when tabby was there, in fact she was using the irish vote to her advantage.
She had a point whether people like to admit it or not. She said something off the cuff, but she apologised, I'm irish and im over it. But as for Louis, he was biased, not just from the fact that they are irish but also because he knew them back in 2003 when they sang at Shane Filans wedding: (Go to google images, type Westlife Wedding and its the last pic on 2nd row). The whole idea of a judge is that he/she is impartial, and quite obviously, he's not.
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:21
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When the Conways were waiting with the Maria and the other act, I did think they looked rather more confident than their position meritted. That could have been professional front of course, but I asked myself then if they knew they were safe because of Louis and found myself hoping against hope that he wasn't going to let their nationality sway his decision. I, and many others!

As for the OP question, I think that's exactly right. The Irish would not have been mentioned were it not for Louis and the girls being Irish . They all like the attention of the media anyway, it goes with the job description.

I see the point though, no of course she wouldn't have said anything of the sort if Louis had been black and had voted for Maria. She would not have dared! I mean, you could probably get banned from British TV altogether for sugesting such a thing... and had it been something like Simon had picking Shayne over Philip one Saturday (if it had come to it), no-one would ever have said "it's because he's English", would they? Well, I'm assuming they wouldn't anyway, not because they wouldn't dare, but because it wouldn't really occur to most of us to think of it like that...

I think the real problem here is that hardly anyone thought the Conways were better than Maria, hence the uproar. I do actually feel a bit sorry for Louis now, even though I was hopping mad at the time
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:23
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yes but imagine for a minute the conway sisters were more talented and louis was same ethnic group as maria and voted for maria would sharon still have said it, no because it wouldn't be to her advantage mediawise.Regarding the wedding fact i personally don't agree with the judges knowing contestants but the producers should not have allowed it.As For impartial Judges don't make me laugh they are too egoistic they want to win therefore they will vote out talented people to make their group win Hence perhaps louis's real reason.
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:24
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Originally Posted by godlives
yes but imagine for a minute the conway sisters were more talented and louis was same ethnic group as maria and voted for maria would sharon still have said it, no because it wouldn't be to her advantage mediawise.Regarding the wedding fact i personally don't agree with the judges knowing contestants but the producers should not have allowed it.As For impartial Judges don't make me laugh they are too egoistic they want to win therefore they will vote out talented people to make their group win Hence perhaps louis's real reason.
I like your thinkin.... but i honestly don't think Louis Wally Walsh is that intelligent!!!
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:27
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perhaps you underestimate the man he's not the thick little irish man he potrays hence his westlife/boyzone millions. :sleep:
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:33
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Originally Posted by kinkypinky
I like your thinkin.... but i honestly don't think Louis Wally Walsh is that intelligent!!!
You'd be surprised how intelligent Louis Walsh really is.
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:34
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Originally Posted by godlives
Just say louis and the conway sisters were not irish and a different ethnic group would sharon osbourne have said what she did it seems to me sharon likes the attention of the press too much and wants to try to steal the limelight of louis and simon.i used to respect this woman but she has seriously lost the plot, with these comments and using the media to her advantage.
I don't know if she would have said this if they were of a different ethnic group but, why did she say this to Louis in the first place?

The problem for Louis is that, in the past, he has blatantly shown favourtism to people from Ireland. He did this in Popstars and he put in a high number during the auditions in Ireland last year. Louis himself has given her cause to doubt his integrity - not that she can speak. Now Louis is saying that he thinks that he may have made a mistake. Why is that? Surely he put through the best act.
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:36
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Originally Posted by Lazylaurablue
had it been something like Simon had picking Shayne over Philip one Saturday (if it had come to it), no-one would ever have said "it's because he's English", would they? Well, I'm assuming they wouldn't anyway, not because they wouldn't dare, but because it wouldn't really occur to most of us to think of it like that...
Simon Cowell is half Irish.
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:46
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Originally Posted by Lazylaurablue
When the Conways were waiting with the Maria and the other act, I did think they looked rather more confident than their position meritted. That could have been professional front of course, but I asked myself then if they knew they were safe because of Louis and found myself hoping against hope that he wasn't going to let their nationality sway his decision. I, and many others!
Each time they've been the last name to be called out as safe they haven't looked particularly confident to me. Marie and Laura always look particularly nervous.


Originally Posted by Lazylaurablue
I see the point though, no of course she wouldn't have said anything of the sort if Louis had been black and had voted for Maria. She would not have dared! I mean, you could probably get banned from British TV altogether for sugesting such a thing... and had it been something like Simon had picking Shayne over Philip one Saturday (if it had come to it), no-one would ever have said "it's because he's English", would they? Well, I'm assuming they wouldn't anyway, not because they wouldn't dare, but because it wouldn't really occur to most of us to think of it like that...
Under the Race Relations law, you can get into just as much trouble for accusing someone of bias for being Irish, Scottish, Welsh, etc as you can for accusing them of bias due to the colour of their skin. I get the feeling someone as prone to outbursts as Sharon is aware of this and this is why she pointed out that she is Irish Catholic. She does like to play the race and religion card when it suits her. She's actually more British Jew than Irish Catholic but that wasn't the issue at the time.


Originally Posted by Lazylaurablue
I think the real problem here is that hardly anyone thought the Conways were better than Maria, hence the uproar.
Hardly anyone thought Maria was better than the Conways or she wouldn't have been in the bottom two. Infact, who knows who got the lowest votes?
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Old 15-11-2005, 23:57
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Last year she told Steve that he wasn't black so stop trying to sing like a black man (or words to that effect) - you're more Michael Bolton. At the time, some forum members saw that as racist as she seemed to imply that only black people can sing in a certain style. I felt that she was trying to say that he was singing in a style which was natural to him. Nevertheless, as a Steve supporter she cheesed me off.

I believe that she said that to Louis as she believed it to be relevant - in his case but she wouldn't say to Simon e.g. you've only put so and so through because their English.
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Old 16-11-2005, 00:02
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Originally Posted by Acashoonhay
I get the feeling someone as prone to outbursts as Sharon is aware of this and this is why she pointed out that she is Irish Catholic. She does like to play the race and religion card when it suits her. She's actually more British Jew than Irish Catholic but that wasn't the issue at the time.
I agree. It's funny how her English & Jewishness had always been mentioned. Then suddenly it's all this 'I'm half Irish' business, so she can play the race card.

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Old 16-11-2005, 00:14
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Originally Posted by Candice
I don't know if she would have said this if they were of a different ethnic group but, why did she say this to Louis in the first place?

The problem for Louis is that, in the past, he has blatantly shown favourtism to people from Ireland. He did this in Popstars and he put in a high number during the auditions in Ireland last year. Louis himself has given her cause to doubt his integrity - not that she can speak. Now Louis is saying that he thinks that he may have made a mistake. Why is that? Surely he put through the best act.
I agree, the thoughts about favouritism due to the conways being Irish came to everyones mind because Louis has openly supported Irish acts more in the past. This is why I think Sharon made the comments.
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Old 16-11-2005, 00:51
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funny how she didn't make them last year when she was using louis bias to keep tabby in.
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Old 16-11-2005, 00:56
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Originally Posted by godlives
funny how she didn't make them last year when she was using louis bias to keep tabby in.
Good point.
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Old 16-11-2005, 10:38
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It's exactly the same as the Gay/Black issue.

Say some offensive put-down or send up of Gays, and all is well - plus it's your fault if you don't find it funny.

But do the same about a Black person (Or in fact any race) and war brakes out.

That's Society today:
One is allowed
One isn't


Having said that; I was under the deluded impression that ALL the judges were there to judge them on THAT ONE SINGLE PERFORMANCE - Not because they are male, female, Black, White, Gay, Straight, Bisexual, Irish, Welsh, Scottish or English.

So, Louis is still not in the right for being biased towards the Irish.

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Old 16-11-2005, 11:18
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Originally Posted by godlives
yes but ask yourself if louis and conway sisters were not irish but perhaps black, asian or german would sharon have still said it i think not
I dont think Sharon would have dared shout "the black mafia" if, as you suggest Louis and the Conways were black.

However you have to consider that everyone I know who watches X Factor knows the Louis is NOTORIOUS for favoring irish contestants.

Hes quite blatant about it during the initial auditions, I think it was only a matter of timer untill it came back to bite him on the arse
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Old 16-11-2005, 11:37
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Originally Posted by DillholeMcGinty
I dont think Sharon would have dared shout "the black mafia" if, as you suggest Louis and the Conways were black.

However you have to consider that everyone I know who watches X Factor knows the Louis is NOTORIOUS for favoring irish contestants.

Hes quite blatant about it during the initial auditions, I think it was only a matter of timer untill it came back to bite him on the arse
i agree, as an irish girl myself I can see it blatantly. He is obviously a good judge or else he couldn't have made his millions from Boyzone, Westlife etc.... but this is a talent competition open to anyone.... regardless of your race, religion, sexuality, he is quite obviously an intelligent business man, but he aint half dosey!!!!
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Old 16-11-2005, 12:15
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Originally Posted by kinkypinky
She had a point whether people like to admit it or not. She said something off the cuff, but she apologised, I'm irish and im over it. But as for Louis, he was biased, not just from the fact that they are irish but also because he knew them back in 2003 when they sang at Shane Filans wedding: (Go to google images, type Westlife Wedding and its the last pic on 2nd row). The whole idea of a judge is that he/she is impartial, and quite obviously, he's not.
Sharon has been biased about Simon's acts. Her comments and behaviour on saturday were silly and offensive. I don't like her, she was just full of sour grapes.

It's ok when she saves someone else's rubbish, or someone saves her rubbish. when the decision doesn't go her own way she all big mouth and bullsh*t. I am so sick of her and actually used to think she was ok.
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Old 16-11-2005, 12:23
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Originally Posted by passion
Sharon has been biased about Simon's acts. Her comments and behaviour on saturday were silly and offensive. I don't like her, she was just full of sour grapes.

It's ok when she saves someone else's rubbish, or someone saves her rubbish. when the decision doesn't go her own way she all big mouth and bullsh*t. I am so sick of her and actually used to think she was ok.
The whole thing is Louis did a stupid thing (he has admitted as much) and Sharon said something stupid but she apologised.... Louis Wally Walsh didn't. Of course there was going to be sour grapes because everyone knows that he know the conways before hand. maria wasn't going to win, but she didn't deserve to go like dat.
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Old 16-11-2005, 12:28
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Originally Posted by kinkypinky
The whole thing is Louis did a stupid thing (he has admitted as much) and Sharon said something stupid but she apologised.... Louis Wally Walsh didn't. Of course there was going to be sour grapes because everyone knows that he know the conways before hand. maria wasn't going to win, but she didn't deserve to go like dat.
In fairness, Sharon didn't apologise. She screeched something about being a half an Irish Catholic, whatever that is.
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Old 16-11-2005, 12:31
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Originally Posted by willow1978
In fairness, Sharon didn't apologise. She screeched something about being a half an Irish Catholic, whatever that is.
She actually said, "i apologise if i offended anyone by what i said, I'm just very angry, I'm half Irish Catholic myself,,,," (that's paraphrasing but that was the jist of it.
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Old 16-11-2005, 12:33
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Originally Posted by kinkypinky
She actually said, "i apologise if i offended anyone by what i said, I'm just very angry, I'm half Irish Catholic myself,,,," (that's paraphrasing but that was the jist of it.
"I apologise if anyone was offended" is not an apology.

And I still don't know what a half an Irish Catholic is, or why a Catholic is more Irish?
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