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Old 16-11-2005, 17:02
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As the title asks, Do we know?

I have read on various threads that the producers pick or influence who gets put through and not the judges.

Where has this information come from? Or is it just guesswork?

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Old 16-11-2005, 17:09
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It has come from people who audioned telling other people on sites in magazines in newspapers.... if any of us had any sense we would all think about the stories that were balzing round before the final live shows even began that the producers had picked there winner his name is Shayne.. and I happen to think this could be true.

Some of these people did not go the proper channels to even audition.. so hand picked yes I think you could say that if you are invited to audition when you have not even filled in an application form... a fix who knows.. you have to make your own mind up on that ... mind you where is last years winner.. do they want winners.. are losers cheaper YOU bet they are .. they reap all the money in knock out a quick Single for Xmas to make as much money as poss, knock out a album of covers and then the artist FADES away.. ie Michelle McManus, Steve Brookstein, so think of all that has been made staying in the coffers...

They don't give them any time to grow, anytime to get it right just kick it out, as soon as they see that the public is losing interest the act is dropped like a hot potato.

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Old 16-11-2005, 17:12
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Is it a talent contest though, or a telly show? I don't mean how it's presented, which is clearly as a talent show, but in reality?
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Old 16-11-2005, 17:25
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Originally Posted by Green Goddess
It has come from people who audioned telling other people on sites in magazines in newspapers.... if any of us had any sense we would all think about the stories that were balzing round before the final live shows even began that the producers had picked there winner his name is Shayne.. and I happen to think this could be true.

Some of these people did not go the proper channels to even audition.. so hand picked yes I think you could say that if you are invited to audition when you have not even filled in an application form... a fix who knows.. you have to make your own mind up on that ... mind you where is last years winner.. do they want winners.. are losers cheaper YOU bet they are .. they reap all the money in knock out a quick Single for Xmas to make as much money as poss, knock out a album of covers and then the artist FADES away.. ie Michelle McManus, Steve Brookstein, so think of all that has been made staying in the coffers...

They don't give them any time to grow, anytime to get it right just kick it out, as soon as they see that the public is losing interest the act is dropped like a hot potato.

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I understand from reading reports on here from people who auditioned that before bootcamp the producers picked who went on to be heard by the three judges. I really meant from bootcamp onwards.

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Old 16-11-2005, 17:27
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Originally Posted by willow1978
Is it a talent contest though, or a telly show? I don't mean how it's presented, which is clearly as a talent show, but in reality?
Both I think.

If you watched the program the other day on Simon Cowell, he said he realised TV was the perfect place to push/advertise music/stars.

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Old 16-11-2005, 17:59
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It's impossible for the judges to audition all 75,000, so the producers/researchers and other production staff audition everyone and choose the best that will go to make a good TV show. Not necessarily all great singers, but people who the producers think have a certain attraction that will capture viewers attention.


The judges are merely actors, acting out their specific archetypal roles within the series script, i.e., the goody = Sharon O; the baddy = Simon C; and the go between = Louis.. You can understand that the length of the production from audition to final show is a huge task, so everything has to be co-ordinated by the production staff. Each week the show is airing the producers will consider how to deliver the best show possible, in order to beat its rivals in the ratings. Maria's exit comes on the back of SCD beating XF in the ratings the previous Saturday, so something had to be done to claw back the viewers, and, therefore, Maria's shock departure and the circumstances existing around it are a sure fire publicity and ratings stunt.

Obviously, most of it's orchestrated pantomime, but it will no doubt pay huge dividends to the producers. That's why I think it unlikely that The Conway Sisters will go this week, they are now worth their weight in gold as far as the producers of the XF are concerned.

With the precarious situation the CS find themselves in the present post Maria debacle, the show, at last, has something to keep the viewer satisfied, which up until now has been Chico's department. That's why I think Chico will go this week, he has served his purpose as the only star attraction of the X-Factor thus far; now it's the turn of the Conway Sisters to serve their time in purgatory.
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Old 16-11-2005, 19:09
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OH NO KEEP Chico IN then please.. I do agree with you though Karl, it is all a set up! From Brenda JUST happening to be in the hotel with no application form filled in and then gets in front of the judges when other people got only to see the producers then got sent home having entered months ago to get an audition. To the Conways knowing Louis.

To the fact that it has been put in the press that the producers wanted to Shayne to win before we even got as far as the live shows.

We will now have a scenario of one of them either getting sick, or pulling OUT ... as they have too many to have just two in the final so if the Conways WALK we will all know it was meant to be. That way we would end up with a two act final.. Look at the weeks left and the date of the final.. they do not add up... your thoughts on this?

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Old 16-11-2005, 19:13
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Originally Posted by Green Goddess
OH NO KEEP Chico IN then please.. I do agree with you though Karl, it is all a set up! From Brenda JUST happening to be in the hotel with no application form filled in and then gets in front of the judges when other people got only to see the producers then got sent home having entered months ago to get an audition. To the Conways knowing Louis.

To the fact that it has been put in the press that the producers wanted to Shayne to win before we even got as far as the live shows.

We will now have a scenario of one of them either getting sick, or pulling OUT ... as they have too many to have just two in the final so if the Conways WALK we will all know it was meant to be. That way we would end up with a two act final.. Look at the weeks left and the date of the final.. they do not add up... your thoughts on this?

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The final is being advertised as a three act event though....
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Old 16-11-2005, 19:15
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Well, supposedly, of the the 75,000 that applied, only 500 actually auditioned for the judges.
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Old 16-11-2005, 19:17
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I agree with you Karl, I said earlier today I think they're putting Chico up for the chop this week, 15 mins and we'll find out from the way the show goes.

I agree with you too GG I hope they keep him in, there are still more boring acts (in fact all of them ) who should go first.

I wonder if there's going to be 3 in the final or if it is a set up like you say for the Conways to walk, but oh God if I hear any more dramas from them I'll vote multiple times for JS because then I'm sure they will go
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Old 16-11-2005, 19:19
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Oh I have noe seen it billed as a three way final where is that advertised.. and when did a final ever contain 3 people PLEASE what a farce.

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Old 16-11-2005, 19:23
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The final of Fame Academy had 3 left (Lemar, Sinead, and The Sned!)

They all sang one song each, one was kicked out. The other two came back, sang two songs, and then the winner was announced.

It actually worked out quite well, and was pretty tense, so I'm not too bothered.
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Old 16-11-2005, 19:29
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the comment about the producers telling the judges who they have to put through came from Pete Waterman and it's on this site somewhere. hope that helps.
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Old 16-11-2005, 19:37
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Originally Posted by Green Goddess
Oh I have noe seen it billed as a three way final where is that advertised.. and when did a final ever contain 3 people PLEASE what a farce.

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http://www.g-a-y.co.uk/forthcomingevents.asp
It says it here GG.....bottom of the page.
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Old 17-11-2005, 00:47
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It makes sense that there will be three acts left in the final. As always, there'll be a bottom two with the winner declared by the public vote (i.e. vote for who you want to win the X Factor).
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Old 17-11-2005, 00:57
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Originally Posted by Sparrow7
Well, supposedly, of the the 75,000 that applied, only 500 actually auditioned for the judges.
Yep! All the acts 'earmarked' for Bootcamp (Conways, Phillip, Brenda etc) plus the good TV element (Chico). Anyone else that didn't fit into either of these two catagories, were binned by the Production Staff at the first opportunity.
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Old 17-11-2005, 01:02
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Originally Posted by dave_fade
Yep! All the acts 'earmarked' for Bootcamp (Conways, Phillip, Brenda etc) plus the good TV element (Chico). Anyone else that didn't fit into either of these two catagories, were binned by the Production Staff at the first opportunity.
I can believe that!!!

To be honest this years contestants are really failing to have an significant impact and don't have the fanbases these shows usually attract.

I think it's unfortunate that 4Tune went because I think they were probably one of the only groups that could have had a large fanbase.

I think this is why a lot of people are turning to Chico, I'm not trying to put him down because he is my favourite, but there is little to attract us to the others in the competition. He is the only one who is different and alive on stage
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Old 17-11-2005, 01:11
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the producers have the last say in everything

simon wanted to change the voting after 4Tune were voted off by Sharon

simon said there was going to be a new twist but it never emerged

we now now simon wanted the voting of the last two to be left up to the public but the producers said NO

i wonder if chico would still have been there if simon had got his own way?

and i wonder why the producers think we want acts with a story or a gimmick and not talent
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Old 17-11-2005, 01:18
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the producers have the last say in everything

simon wanted to change the voting after 4Tune were voted off by Sharon

simon said there was going to be a new twist but it never emerged

we now now simon wanted the voting of the last two to be left up to the public but the producers said NO

i wonder if chico would still have been there if simon had got his own way?

and i wonder why the producers think we want acts with a story or a gimmick and not talent
I think if they wanted us to judge on talent alone we would have had a different set of finalists as none of them have anything special to offer
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Old 17-11-2005, 01:27
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I think if they wanted us to judge on talent alone we would have had a different set of finalists as none of them have anything special to offer
if it had been left to the public vote the line up we have now would have been different

in my opinion we would not have lost 4Tune to chenai and we would not have had chico still in the final
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Old 17-11-2005, 01:37
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Originally Posted by slappers r us
if it had been left to the public vote the line up we have now would have been different

in my opinion we would not have lost 4Tune to chenai and we would not have had chico still in the final

Given that scenario the X-Factor would not have been made. The whole point of XF is to produce good TV, a recording artist is the last thing, if ever, on their minds.
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Old 17-11-2005, 01:37
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if it had been left to the public vote the line up we have now would have been different

in my opinion we would not have lost 4Tune to chenai and we would not have had chico still in the final
I agree on both counts as Chico would have been out the first week I think but then again Addictiv Ladies weren't that popular. But luckily Chico's been saved and has gained support since Unfortunately for 4Tune I think the same would have happened with them and they would still be here
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Old 17-11-2005, 06:21
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Originally Posted by Green Goddess
It has come from people who audioned telling other people on sites in magazines in newspapers.... if any of us had any sense we would all think about the stories that were balzing round before the final live shows even began that the producers had picked there winner his name is Shayne.. and I happen to think this could be true.

Some of these people did not go the proper channels to even audition.. so hand picked yes I think you could say that if you are invited to audition when you have not even filled in an application form... a fix who knows.. you have to make your own mind up on that ... mind you where is last years winner.. do they want winners.. are losers cheaper YOU bet they are .. they reap all the money in knock out a quick Single for Xmas to make as much money as poss, knock out a album of covers and then the artist FADES away.. ie Michelle McManus, Steve Brookstein, so think of all that has been made staying in the coffers...

They don't give them any time to grow, anytime to get it right just kick it out, as soon as they see that the public is losing interest the act is dropped like a hot potato.

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Pete Waterman said that the producers told the judges which acts that they wanted put through every week in Pop Idol.

So I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in this show too.

Is Simon Cowell a producer by the way?
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Old 17-11-2005, 06:27
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Originally Posted by Green Goddess
OH NO KEEP Chico IN then please.. I do agree with you though Karl, it is all a set up! From Brenda JUST happening to be in the hotel with no application form filled in and then gets in front of the judges when other people got only to see the producers then got sent home having entered months ago to get an audition. To the Conways knowing Louis.

To the fact that it has been put in the press that the producers wanted to Shayne to win before we even got as far as the live shows.

We will now have a scenario of one of them either getting sick, or pulling OUT ... as they have too many to have just two in the final so if the Conways WALK we will all know it was meant to be. That way we would end up with a two act final.. Look at the weeks left and the date of the final.. they do not add up... your thoughts on this?

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Not only was Brenda just apparently there in the hotel by COINCIDENCE.....her backing singer Andy enters the competition too by COINCIDENCE.
And then they are both through to the final 12...what a COINCIDENCE.

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Old 17-11-2005, 09:04
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
Pete Waterman said that the producers told the judges which acts that they wanted put through every week in Pop Idol.

So I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in this show too.

Is Simon Cowell a producer by the way?
I wasn't aware of Pete Waterman saying that. Very interesting. They hid that well at the time, or was I very naive? Why would the judges go along with that, What was the point in them being there?
That would indicate that it is still probably going on. I don't know if Simon is a producer by the way.

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