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Originally posted by Siggy You would have at the very least presumed that Tim would have entered the house with one of the better strategies, having been on the outside for so long and best able to gage public opinion .. but it certainly seems lost on the poor chap, I mean .. he’s almost assured of being ‘booed’ upon leaving the house due to his arrogant [but comical] behaviour. Still, admit it .. like Jade he provides for some decent entertainment that does not have at least, the “Quality Assurance” comedy stamp from Jonny on it..
Tim, who is deeply unappetising as a character anyway was really being set up as eviction fodder last night. The amount of air time given to allow him to hang himself was amazing. |
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Editoral slant ..
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Originally posted by Wishful I really wouldn’t call it a vendetta for one second .. merely a singular voice of reason amongst a myriad of others.. The vast majority of the public are quite taken by affable Jonny.. so the occasional salvo against him from me or someone else doesn’t have to hurt his or your pride too much, surely?So, Elysium, your vendetta continues. Your dying to shout, “Jonny we love you..” go on, admit it.. even if you do suggest Kate to win ![]() Oh, and as for the two comments and the context they are taken from.. You have appreciate that everything that is passed through to the public on the “official” website has to be approved for content and “editorial slant”.. the fact that more and more negative comments are coming directly from Channel 4’s own website reflects the changing opinions of him with the public.. He is not quite as ‘untouchable’ as he once was, you yourself admit that Kate is closing in on him fast; time for Channel 4 to champion the first “female” winner of the show. |
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i think that you're being a bit harsh on Jonny! ok, he's said a few of the things you've mentioned, but wouldn't you get a bit pissed off if you'd been in a house with a load of people, that you thought you were getting on with, suddenly then to find out that they have been slagging you off behind your back! i know i would! and that sort of dent to anyones ego would make them pissed off! it only show that jonny's human! there isn't anyone that's a nice person all the time!
ps i want KATE to win! |
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Originally posted by Elysium Ah - the lone crusader - the only man in the whole uk to know the truth - battles on. ... merely a singular voice of reason amongst a myriad of others.. Go for it - its a difficult job but someones got to do it |
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Originally posted by spoon Not quite what I had intended to convey .. much more that if we [the *few* who bother to donate the occasional anti-Jonny comment] are fighting anything, its a lost caused.. Ah - the lone crusader - the only man in the whole uk to know the truth - battles on. Go for it - its a difficult job but someones got to do it
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Yes another Elysium "I hate Jonny" thread... woo-hoo...
seriously though, I agree with Elysium (no really!) that Jonny is acting and trying to win over (or if you prefer, vindictively deceive) the public even if i fail to see why Elysium feels the need to be all batman about 'outing' Jonny... but so what? Even if everything Elysium says is god's own truth and see Jonny in the worst possible light, it's perfectly within the rules (and i would argue spirit) of BB to act for 12 weeks and try to win over the public. isn't that what the bloody show is about? not being evicted? ie appealing to the public? yes it would be nice to be able to do that by 'being yourself', but most people capable of appealing to the public for 12 weeks by being genuine are FAR TOO NORMAL TO BE ON BB IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! sigh. i don't like jonny at all, but i have no problems with his gameplan except that i don;t think it will work. To be honest there aren't any housemates i want to win so i'm not bothered if Jonny wins the £70K (but i don't think he will so don't worry Elysium)... What i don't understand is why you don't have a go at PJ for his terrible view on women and his alleged girlfriend-beating past? or Tim for his arrogance, racist jokes and general prejudice against almost all minority groups from what i can tell? Still, i've said things along these lines before so not even sure why i'm bothering! but there you go... |
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I wonder if Elysium is in fact Sandy in disguise
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Although I have posted a few pieces about Jonny myself, I am not especially "anti- Jonny". What has struck me about his presence in the house above all the others is that his persona is the most contrived and artificial. No particular reason to be against him - just an observation. I wonder if there are any other psychologists, psychotherapists, counsellors, group therapists who share the view that he is a worrying character? I think Elyssium has spotted his artifice and is quite focused upon drawing people's attention to it.
I have to say that both Kate and Alex have grown on me. They have developed into real characters who have had the grace to work through their early differences and warm to each other. This obviously causes a threat to Jonny because it upsets his cheeky chappie role myth. Kate and Alex together are naturally comedic whereas he on the other hand has become increasingly sinister in his humour. His mimicking the voice-over is a particular concern. He is over-identifying with the programme because he had not countenanced any notion of losing. Now it is a growing reality for him. My prediction is that he will step up the mawkish sentimentality when he's sober, but be unable to hide his underlying aggression when he's drunk. |
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Originally posted by elfpetal Hear, hear.Yes another Elysium "I hate Jonny" thread... woo-hoo... seriously though, I agree with Elysium (no really!) that Jonny is acting and trying to win over (or if you prefer, vindictively deceive) the public even if i fail to see why Elysium feels the need to be all batman about 'outing' Jonny... but so what? Even if everything Elysium says is god's own truth and see Jonny in the worst possible light, it's perfectly within the rules (and i would argue spirit) of BB to act for 12 weeks and try to win over the public. isn't that what the bloody show is about? not being evicted? ie appealing to the public? yes it would be nice to be able to do that by 'being yourself', but most people capable of appealing to the public for 12 weeks by being genuine are FAR TOO NORMAL TO BE ON BB IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! sigh. i don't like jonny at all, but i have no problems with his gameplan except that i don;t think it will work. To be honest there aren't any housemates i want to win so i'm not bothered if Jonny wins the £70K (but i don't think he will so don't worry Elysium)... If indeed these are his tactics then fair play to him. Those tactics are more appealing than the ones that have been used in the house by certain others, well Adele really who Elysium adored. This excuse for a human being played the bi-sexual virgin card, but suddenly once in the house fell for 2 out of the 7 male HM's, and lets face it the 2 she fell for couldn't have been further apart in the male 'type' spectrum. Acting? Hmmmmmm. And I can't beleive how everyone has totally forgotten about the treatment dished out to Sophie by Adele, Jade, Tim and Alex. Then Adele, Alex and Tim all ditched Jade after hearing the chants against her, and Adele and Alex then slimed up to Kate trying to bust her friendship with PJ and Jonny. And finally the sight the other night of Alex, lets be frank here, trying to use the follow the van game to get a blow job off a drunk Kate. Then when he's knocked back its out with the 'but you're easy you fiddled with Spencer' comments. Vermin. |
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Evryone has bad habits but they usually keep them private!! What is striking about Jonny is that not only does he piss in a shower that he knows other people have use, but he obviously thinks it is one of his better, more endearing qualities as he chose to share the fact with everyone in the first week!! The only thing it proved to me was that he had a complete lack of respect for his housemates. As for the toenail eating, he seemed very proud of that ability too............a vile, disgusting little man.
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At the end of the day pro-Jonny/ anti/ Jonny will never agree. He is trying too hard for my liking and takes things far too personally. Why does he expect everyone to like him? Why does he need to know their reasons for nominating him? If he loves his family so much why didn't he stay at home and not have us endure him for this long? Why didn't he follow Sandy over the wall? Why was he so disheartened when Alison left, she'd have had to go sometime? Why did he nominate Spencer? Why can't he acknowledge the fact that he cheated on the initial rich/ poor task? Why so many why's about this man? Get him out now!
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I joined this site because of what I had read in the C4 boards saying this was a good place to hear people views about BB.
A lot of people in the C4 forum have considered Jonny to be a devious character. A lot of good points have been made and one post made over a hundred replies. I am one of the people who hasn't liked Jonny from day one, I don't find him very funny and I think he is very immature for his age. He could have won easily because most people respect firemen and like working class people. But his remarks have been crude, for some reason he likes to constantly remove his clothing, his attitude to women is not very nice like egging on Jade to remove her clothes when he knew she didn't want to then later on trying to peep in her shower. I could excuse some of this behaviour if he was 18 years of age but he isn't. He should be more adult but he isn't. If over a hundred people in a forum are disgusted with his behaviour then their must be something wrong with him. |
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Re: Editoral slant ..
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Originally posted by Elysium There you go again Elysium, you presume to judge me as if you know me. My pride isn't hurt - how on earth could it be, what has been said here that could do that? And no, I don't love Jonny, I have absolutely no feelings about the man at all. He is just another housemate, that is using strategy and tactics to try to win a prize, just like the rest of them.I really wouldn’t call it a vendetta for one second .. merely a singular voice of reason amongst a myriad of others.. The vast majority of the public are quite taken by affable Jonny.. so the occasional salvo against him from me or someone else doesn’t have to hurt his or your pride too much, surely? Your dying to shout, “Jonny we love you..” go on, admit it.. even if you do suggest Kate to win ![]() Oh, and as for the two comments and the context they are taken from.. You have appreciate that everything that is passed through to the public on the “official” website has to be approved for content and “editorial slant”.. the fact that more and more negative comments are coming directly from Channel 4’s own website reflects the changing opinions of him with the public.. He is not quite as ‘untouchable’ as he once was, you yourself admit that Kate is closing in on him fast; time for Channel 4 to champion the first “female” winner of the show. As Elfpetal said, what I can't understand is why, if you really consider yourself the single voice of reason, your view is not more balanced among all the housemates that are not being themselves. Also, you judge both Jonny and his supporters in the most derisory fashion. If you are entitled to your opinion, then surely you should respect others, without the need to place them into groups that, I infer, you feel are lower than yourself. For someone that considers themselves so reasonable, I think that is rather an unreasonable additude to take! Just my humble opinion. Wishful loves the man she lives with, still wants Kate to win
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Originally posted by A_different_Bob There's been a lot of pantomime-style shouts on this forum of "Jonny's a fake act!" "No he's genuine!" "oh yes he is!" "oh no he isn't!" ....ad infinitum. Sorry Elysium, but can you source these quotes, obviously youve got an extensive collection. I can imagine your bedroom (assuming you live with your parents), with defaced pictures of Jonny all over the walls, E4 on all day, with everything Jonny does or says recorded and then misinterpreted intentionally on here. Admittedly im spending increasing amounts of time myself defending him on here from your attacks but someone has to do it. Funnily enough I actually want Kate to win, but there is simply no evidence that Jonny is the violent thug you have attempted to portray him as! Let's call on evidence from the best witness - Jonny himself: 1. The other night he said to Kate that he's "not been his usual self for fear of being nominated." 2. Today he chastized Jade for having said he was playing to the cameras. He revealed the prime reason for his annoyance - because of "the effect that would have on [his] image with the public." Nothing wrong with having a gameplan of course, but I suspect much of Jonny's popularity with the public is founded on an image of being "a genuine guy" who's "being himself" - descriptions hitherto frequently used about him. Unfortunately for Jonny-defenders, he does rather appear to have convicted himself out of his own mouth. |
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Re: Re: Re: BB/Channel 4 changing their views on Jonny the YOB? - "not all he seems to be."
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Originally posted by mystic_nutmeg You can at least be content with the knowledge that you are able to see through his little act.. although it remains regrettable that the greater British public do not have similar sentiments and are far more easily led [“cheeky chappy + black pudding act = vote winner”]. Still, he’s providing them with a modicum of entertainment for now.. and his fans do seem to truly adore him in the same way that Spencer amassed a hard-core following.There's been a lot of pantomime-style shouts on this forum of "Jonny's a fake act!" "No he's genuine!" "oh yes he is!" "oh no he isn't!" ....ad infinitum. Let's call on evidence from the best witness - Jonny himself: 1. The other night he said to Kate that he's "not been his usual self for fear of being nominated." 2. Today he chastized Jade for having said he was playing to the cameras. He revealed the prime reason for his annoyance - because of "the effect that would have on [his] image with the public." Nothing wrong with having a gameplan of course, but I suspect much of Jonny's popularity with the public is founded on an image of being "a genuine guy" who's "being himself" - descriptions hitherto frequently used about him. Unfortunately for Jonny-defenders, he does rather appear to have convicted himself out of his own mouth. C2DE’s .. what would we do without them .. anything for a black-pudding and a pint of bitter.. "Jonny, we love you..!" ....? |
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Originally posted by Mr Wolf Yeah, especially wearing THAT shirt - what a hoot!
PJ's just a gimp with short shins and will be booted out on Friday, I look forward to seeing "Mr Loverman" walk out that front door
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Elysium thank you for your posts. I find them well thought out and informative. I too dislike Johnny and find it dismaying that he is apparently so popular with the majority of the British public. I also feel that this is largely down to very biased editing. Obviously, you have to concentrate on Johnny and not the other "offending" housemates such as Tim (who is truly appalling) because Johnny is a favourite to win.
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Originally posted by Siggy Although I have posted a few pieces about Jonny myself, I am not especially "anti- Jonny". What has struck me about his presence in the house above all the others is that his persona is the most contrived and artificial. No particular reason to be against him - just an observation. I wonder if there are any other psychologists, psychotherapists, counsellors, group therapists who share the view that he is a worrying character? I think Elyssium has spotted his artifice and is quite focused upon drawing people's attention to it. I have to say that both Kate and Alex have grown on me. They have developed into real characters who have had the grace to work through their early differences and warm to each other. This obviously causes a threat to Jonny because it upsets his cheeky chappie role myth. Kate and Alex together are naturally comedic whereas he on the other hand has become increasingly sinister in his humour. His mimicking the voice-over is a particular concern. He is over-identifying with the programme because he had not countenanced any notion of losing. Now it is a growing reality for him. My prediction is that he will step up the mawkish sentimentality when he's sober, but be unable to hide his underlying aggression when he's drunk. my sentiment exactly. I don't hate Jonny nor any other contestant but I don't think he deserves to win either. For all pro jonny fans........ I watch E4 and channel 4 edits and I am not stupid nor duped by how they never show any of jonny's bad trates. I'm not against Jonny so much ,but the fact that the BB big wigs have already decided the winner. I'm sure this is just to prove they can control people on the outside,showing how us the public can be in believing what they want you to believe. I've heard and seen Jonny say nasty things and his "me, me, me " attitude ...but he does it in such a way that he says " only joking" straight after. Or that he is just upset because he can't understand what he has done wrong? The fact is I thought the voting was going on people you wanted in the house the least? not nessesarily the fact you don't like them? The man is so arrogant and I just wish it was up to us the public who decided. I enjoyed the first 2 BB's but this time I feel cheated by BB themselves. |
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Originally posted by LauraBelle Be careful Laurabelle, I have seen people being warned for making personal slurs against other board members - and Calling someone Sandy is about as low as you can get really in my book I wonder if Elysium is in fact Sandy in disguise
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Originally posted by CPA my sentiment exactly. I don't hate Jonny nor any other contestant but I don't think he deserves to win either. For all pro jonny fans........ I watch E4 and channel 4 edits and I am not stupid nor duped by how they never show any of jonny's bad trates. I'm not against Jonny so much ,but the fact that the BB big wigs have already decided the winner. I'm sure this is just to prove they can control people on the outside,showing how us the public can be in believing what they want you to believe. I've heard and seen Jonny say nasty things and his "me, me, me " attitude ...but he does it in such a way that he says " only joking" straight after. Or that he is just upset because he can't understand what he has done wrong? The fact is I thought the voting was going on people you wanted in the house the least? not nessesarily the fact you don't like them? The man is so arrogant and I just wish it was up to us the public who decided. I enjoyed the first 2 BB's but this time I feel cheated by BB themselves. Last night's highlights gave a good example of Jonny's underlying motives: 1. Saying he had only gone into the bedroom to put on another top - made a big show of drawing our attention to that. Really he'd gone in to get some air time with Jade. He went on to patronise and exploit the poor girl - smirking at her distress and confusion 2. Grudgingly accepting the other HMs' verdict that Kate had won the Maste/ Servant game "If that's what you say......" 3. Getting his revenge on Kate immediately after she'd had her reward by throwing her clothed into the pool.This man does not fancy her at all. He doesnt like her - doesnt like women at all. |
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yeah, he's not very nice and all.. but surely you don't think he'd really have a chance of beating Kate or Alex? Speaking, of Kate (for a moment), i was telling a freind of mine yesterday who hasn't really watched BB this year about how bitchy they all were, and she asked if Kate had been (she remembered her from the beginning), and i thought about it for a while, and actually i can;t really remember her bitching. she's angry at the moment with Jade after what Alex said and was angry with Alex for a while because he ignored her but otherwise? am i forgetting something? just for her ability to avoid the bitchfest i think she should win!
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Originally posted by elfpetal I think Kate lacks the ability to argue to any great degree, her vocabulary being not too dissimilar to Jades .. she tends to shout people down [watch her hand movements raise as she ‘marks’ her territory] and then revert to ‘crying’ as her main weapon of sympathy. But she has almost certainly “bitched” .. largely about Alex at almost every opportunity when feeling down. She’s the type of girl that needs to have her feelings reinforced by others as she’s not entirely sure if she should be ‘feeling’ that way. Unfortunately she had PJ, Spencer and Jonny to assure her that she was right and Alex was wrong that continued the bitching..
yeah, he's not very nice and all.. but surely you don't think he'd really have a chance of beating Kate or Alex? Speaking, of Kate (for a moment), i was telling a freind of mine yesterday who hasn't really watched BB this year about how bitchy they all were, and she asked if Kate had been (she remembered her from the beginning), and i thought about it for a while, and actually i can;t really remember her bitching. she's angry at the moment with Jade after what Alex said and was angry with Alex for a while because he ignored her but otherwise? am i forgetting something? just for her ability to avoid the bitchfest i think she should win! |
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Elysium - are you feeling all right - you forgot to mention jonny in your post
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