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HUMAX 9200T - Help
Tunnelvision
17-11-2005
Have tried to follow some of the threads but all too technical - I am a simple sole and have a basic requirement, a hard disc recorder with a card slot so that i can record Eurosport when I want to - I had an 8000T Humax which was OK (did'nt particularly like the recording/programming menu - not as easy to us as it should/could be) but of course it has no card slot which I found out after I subsribed to TopupTV.

I am looking for simplicity, ease of use and ... a card slot.
The new 9200 seems to be the one for me but now I am confused as some poeple have recommended the Topfield.
Can anyone out there 'in the know' spare a moment and give me some simplified advise as to what I should go for - If the Topfield wins on features then I am not interested - I just want the most simple, easy to use device that will do the job and ... I suspect so do most of the potential customers for these things!
Any (non technical) advise welcomed
tonycollinet
17-11-2005
Originally Posted by Tunnelvision:
“Have tried to follow some of the threads but all too technical - I am a simple sole and have a basic requirement, a hard disc recorder with a card slot so that i can record Eurosport when I want to - I had an 8000T Humax which was OK (did'nt particularly like the recording/programming menu - not as easy to us as it should/could be) but of course it has no card slot which I found out after I subsribed to TopupTV.

I am looking for simplicity, ease of use and ... a card slot.
The new 9200 seems to be the one for me but now I am confused as some poeple have recommended the Topfield.
Can anyone out there 'in the know' spare a moment and give me some simplified advise as to what I should go for - If the Topfield wins on features then I am not interested - I just want the most simple, easy to use device that will do the job and ... I suspect so do most of the potential customers for these things!
Any (non technical) advise welcomed”


From what I have read, (I don't own a topfield) the humax is definately easier to use - especially if you don't want to get into TAPS (custom programs to alter the operation of the toppy)

I CAN confirm that the humax is VERY easy to use. Simply find the program you want in the EPG, press OK and it will record it. It is so easy even my wife has taken to it like a duck to water - and she has never been able to record anything before.
marcdavis
17-11-2005
I think the toppy may turn out to be not as bad as any other PVR for ease of use. But if you ask toppy owners the same question they may be able to put your mind at rest about this. Even if it was a little bit complicated at first you would probably sooner or later think it was easy as you'd have got used to the way it works.

The technology is sophisticated therefore the challenge is to make it easy to use. I don’t know if anything has yet to match, let alone beat the 2.5 year old Pace Twin in this department. I am sure loads of toppy owners will have no issues what so ever with the ease of use of the machine, although some comments shows people have different concerns on the subject.

Some quotes:

Quote:
“Can you elaborate on this please as I'm about to purchase a Toppy. I thought it would be a case of connect it all up and away we go. This seems to be getting more complicated to use, so much so that I'm swaying towards getting Sky+.”

Quote:
“Anyway, it's a bit of a learning curve for all of us. As a (soon to be ex) Sky+ user, I'd have to say that the Toppy isn't quite as intuitive and has one or two minor niggles but on the whole, I'm very pleased with it.”

Quote:
“In fact I think the only issue I really have is that I wish more PVR manufacturers would 'borrow' the Pace interface (but not the bugs) - it was so intuitive to use.”

Quote:
“If the core functionality of JAGs could be combined with a more intuitive interface then I'd happily pay for it, currently it appears to be a work in progress. Maybe when JAG has it in less of an 'enthusiasts' state he'll do just that. The ability to set title searches is the main attraction for me but if that means learning and remembering which button does what then even if I was the sole user I doubt if I'd use it, when you add those other users of our PVR that are less technically inclined they would be scared away.”

Quote:
“It has recorded everything faultlessly, except for one occasion when no sound was recorded. Only gripe is the remote is not intuitive and the manual could be much better.”

Quote:
“The Toppy isn't too complicated, but the instructions are a bit lacking and the remote keys are less intuitive. Prepare to learn it yourself and then teach your wife. My husband figured out the Fusion pretty much without me, but not the Toppy. However, I installed the TAP UK Oz surfer and showed him how to use it and he's well impressed. And he likes the bomb game supplied (is there a way to remove it?)”

Quote:
“I've tried JAGs but reverted back to Std. before the wife and kids saw it as it's not as user friendly as the regular one and I'd only get grief about it. It's functionality is pretty complicated and would take a bit of practise to master but the benefits of having fully automated recording by programme title (in part or whole) on specific channels during defined time windows sounds very appealing.”

Quote:
“She definitely will, but it takes some getting used to. It's a lot more complicated than other PVRs, I think it's fair to say. Certainly not as straight forward as the Thomson. Also, there are a number of annoyances at present that makes its use harder, though there are a couple of updates due in August that are supposed to be pretty significant.”

Quote:
“The Toppy appears to be overly complicated. I don't unzip files, so using a TAP to me would be complicated. The only decent EPG seems to be this JAG one. I don't like the idea of an EPG showing 4 channels at a time only.”

Quote:
“I thought it would be a case of connect it all up and away we go. This seems to be getting more complicated to use, so much so that I'm swaying towards getting Sky+.”

If you have the 8000t and dont like the user interphase though, then I would seriously think twice before buying the 9200t, as it will almost certainly have the same type of user interphase. The toppy certainly wins on features at this moment in time and if you wer to go down the route of connecting up the toppy to a computer and installed third party applications, called TAPs, it adds further to the capabilities.
b44rch
17-11-2005
Originally Posted by marcdavis:
“Some quotes:”

You've been busy!

Got my hummy last night from currys, so far so good! recorded a few programs and seemed to work fine. Also I think the interface is OK.
SeanJ
17-11-2005
Originally Posted by marcdavis:
“If you have the 8000t and dont like the user interphase though, then I would seriously think twice before buying the 9200t, as it will almost certainly have the same type of user interphase.”

On the other hand, if you have become accustomed to the 8000T interface then this makes it very easy to switch to the 9200T; this was a major plus when persuading the wife that we should buy the new box.

For us, the main advantages of the 9200T over the 8000T are:
a) you can watch something from the HDD while something else is recording
b) each recording has its own "bookmark" so that you resume from where you left off (8000T only bookmarked the last programme watched)
c) USB connection for use with MP3 (to copy programmes to DVD I just use an RGB SCART connection to a DVD recorder)
d) Edit facility, so that we can give generous padding on recordings but then reduce the disk space used by something that we want to keep for a while. Also good when recording consecutive programs.

We have made use of the second tuner but this wasn't a major selling point. The larger HDD isn't that relevant, since we rarely filled the 80GB on the 8000T.

The main defect is the way that it fouls up with programme names - hopefully this will be fixed soon!

Cheers,

Sean
Tunnelvision
18-11-2005
Thanks for the response - not sure it has helped me make a decision though - still seems to be 2 schools of thought with no clear advantage of one over the other.
I have also read about possible encryption problems when recording from TUTV - ie : it records an encrypted signal which can only be viewed with the card in place and since the codes change monthly, presumably if you don't watch the recorded programme within a time frame the recording is worthless - any comments on this ? - I presume it applies to both the Topfield and the Humax
CJL
18-11-2005
Originally Posted by Tunnelvision:
“any comments on this ?”

Apparently the recordings are only encrypted if the decode card is not available at the time of recording (cos you're watching another TUTV channel). On the whole you won't have a problem but apparently, if you do have an encrypted recording you can get it unscrambled by making a copy while the decoder card is not being used for anything else.

So, on the whole, not a problem.

Cliff
marcdavis
18-11-2005
Originally Posted by SeanJ:
“On the other hand, if you have become accustomed to the 8000T interface then this makes it very easy to switch to the 9200T; this was a major plus when persuading the wife that we should buy the new box.”

Sean,
Agreed. I was just making hopefuly a helpful observation tailored around Tunnelvisions view on things/ whats important to him (i.e. about the comment about not liking the programming/recording menu on the 8000t). But it may not be that important to him anyway. Especially if this is what he is used to now anyway. I have seen comments on threads from people upgrading from the previous Humax PVR and STB saying it was a positive thing that Humax kept their typical user interphase.

I would have been more inclined to look at it your way myself personally and I suspect most people would too.
Tunnelvision
18-11-2005
Think I'll go for the Humax - I did'nt mean that I don't like the interface just think it could be simpler - more like SKY+ - in all other respects I liked the 8000T and I think it looks nicer than the Topfield. I think I get the jist of the recording scenario - so ... thanks for all the advice - Humax it is then.
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