with regard to the amount of sound drop outs on E4 you would have thought that BB could have :-

1. Used a bleeper to cut out the swearing so you could hear most of whats going on?

2. Made the contestants sign contracts to state that they are soley responsible if they slight a media person and therefore C4 / E4 are not to blame?

3. If they choose to tell stories of their past involving other people that may take offence, then tuff, they signed up they can take the flak when they get out. Same contract as 2.

People on here give views and say and slight anyone, whether they're media profeesionals or not. DS dont get sued because they will have a disclaimer stating that the views and comments on here are not their views and comments etc.

so why can't BB do the same?

any one on here with legal knowledge ?

FF

That's a r e a l l y good question floatinfatman! The editing at present is soooo inefficient......gteat swathes of conversation are cut when a well-placed bleeper would do the trick. I'd love to hear from anyone in the know why it's apparently so hard for Ch.4 to sort this frustrating problem out.

I doubt whether a 15 minute lead time would be enough to accurately bleep instead of cutting the sound entirely so they choose the latter purely for time reasons.

Personally, I HATE the use of the bleeper! I find it far more annoying than the "cut sound" in BB3.... except the cut sound is done so badly: can you imagine if BB3 had a bleeper?? Your ears would be constantly ringing because the editing team are too lazy to learn how to use it correctly:
"Oh, they swear somewhere in the next few seconds. Better hold the bleeper down for 25 seconds, just to make sure we cover it....."

cf BBC1's comedy efforts with the bleeper on shows like "They Think It's All Over" and "It's Only TV..." where bleeped words are clearly audible (eg: f-bleep-ck, ar-bleep-se, etc)

Chuck

A bleeper is an excellent idea - ive never understood why they dont use one except perhaps the lead in time is too short.

I believe that the broadcasting company are liable for anything that is aired - it is not the contestants on the show's sole responsibility. They could be sued if they said anything defamatory i suppose, but ultimately it the responsibility of the broadcaster to adhere to the broadcasting laws as they could be sued heavily.

I dont think it is fair for friends and family etc of the HMs to be slagged off or lied about or whatever on national TV. Not only have they no fair means of redress but they are the ones who are going to take the flak over what was said.

One thing that irritates me strongly is that when Feed A gets audio cut for no apparent reason, you can often still hear the same non controversial conversation on Feed B - Amazingly stupid editing.

Daisyanne

Short Bleeps are possible, but then they would have to pay for more staff to cover it adequatly.

Can I just say that live shows are now exempt from litigation against them under the new rules of the Broadcasting Act. They are no longer responsible for anything that is said on their show live. So E4 has no excuse. The only people they have to answer to is Broadcasting Standards so that must be what bothers them.

It's not a LIVE show though. It has a 15 minute broadcast delay so surely CH4 couldnt argue they didnt know what was going out and is not their responsbility.

Daiysanne

True. But if they just let it go out live then technically they could. If it was 100% live with no editing then they could say we are not reponsible. I think their responsibilty lies with broadcasting standards. I mean given the conversations PJ and Tim have this would be offensive before the watershed etc. I am offended already by them and that is with editing!!!!!

I would rather they blanked out the swear words and maybe the names of persons, even if it meant a delay of 30 minutes instead of 15 for the live feeds, rather than blanking out 25 secs or more at a time.

They've got Alison explaining this to the puplic, which I find really funny, but saying that is worse the first few weeks, because of the number of HM's

In my opninion it hasn't gotten any better and we've got half of them left.

FF

AFAIK the 15min delay is covered by the term 'live', which is why they can have the little logo on the top left.

Sorry, I'm a bit dim, what does AFAIK stand for?
Minette
(Still rather new to this forum lark)

As Far As I know

FF