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Old 20-11-2005, 11:07
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Originally Posted by June
Talking of Will - wasn't Will Young great? Makes a change to have a performance like that in the show.
I have to say that I disagree entirely .
I thought that it didn't fit with the feel of the show to have that sort of dancing and music - we need more Michael Buble, Katie Melua etc. The sort of music that you buy your grandmother for Christmas, then end up stealing for your own stereo.

That's what the singing in SCD should be about!
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Old 20-11-2005, 11:25
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Originally Posted by LinoleicAcid
I have to say that I disagree entirely .
I thought that it didn't fit with the feel of the show to have that sort of dancing and music - we need more Michael Buble, Katie Melua etc. The sort of music that you buy your grandmother for Christmas, then end up stealing for your own stereo.

That's what the singing in SCD should be about!
I'm confused by your comments, how can a salsa song not fit in with SCD? I thought it was a great show last night, well apart from the end results.
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Old 20-11-2005, 11:29
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Katie Melua? Michael Buble? (I like him by the way)

Come off it - Will's bossanova song Happiness was JUST what is needed in the break while they work out the scores.

Katie send me to sleep! :yawn: And if any of my children or grandchildren buy me one of Katie's albums, they can have it back!
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Old 20-11-2005, 11:41
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I love Will Young!!!!

Love Will Thorp too. Gonna miss him and ickle Hanna! Bill should have gone. I think James was pretty aweful too but I think he just had an odd night. They weren't his dances.
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Old 20-11-2005, 11:50
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I was so shocked when it was Will who went out, although I said to my Mom just before they started calling the results that I thought it was gonna be a surprise exit and it was. I hope Bill goes next week, I like him well enough but he is the worst dancer left and I'm worried his foot might fall off! I thought Will Young was too girly for me!
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Old 20-11-2005, 11:53
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I'd like to know the order in which the public voted. Will got a 9! It's mad.
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Old 20-11-2005, 12:02
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I thought will young was great too and exactly fitted in with show - music you buy for your grandmother is certainly what we dont use in our dance school!!!!

Some good pics of last night http://www.voy.com/86855/ click on SCD link
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Old 20-11-2005, 12:35
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I loved Will Young's performance last night. It was great to see a performer really think about the show and bring along an act that really complimented it. I didn't like the song that much, but I was really impressed by the dancing and costumes that went with it. It would be nice to see more of the singers they have on make as much effort.
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Old 20-11-2005, 12:41
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*bees knees in mellow Sunday mood and taps in some thoughts to make sense of all the madness* *settles in for a long post*

imho the results are right every week whatever they are cos it's the nature of the show! The couples that go through are the ones with the highest combined score. And provided no outside manipulation ( Bendy) like the BBC rigging it all from woah to go, then that’s what happens every Saturday night.

The judges vote on the technical stuff and that includes a subjective element (thanks for confirming Bendy ) and we hope that they will be consistent etc etc. That's the dancing ability part of the score.

Then, we get stuck in and the idea is we can vote for any couple based on whatever reason that we like from the ridiculous to sublime.
Not a single one of us wrong for voting for whoever we like for whatever reason – the rules about the public vote are that there are no rules – a rare thing indeed!
That's the entertainment part of the score.

And because the couples with highest public votes stay in the show, more money is squeezed out of us to go to CIN.
That's the warm fuzzy part. And the point of it all?
(You could also add that the highest scoring couples mean more ratings for the BBC but that would just be the cold prickly part )

Every point gained from the public vote is as valid to the total score as every point gained from the judges ranking. We have to accept that that's how it works. If they only want to rank couples on ability, don't bother with the public vote - the vast majority of us are not knowledgeable enough about dance to know our chassees from our jetees (a nod to those here who do!)

Everyone goes sooner or later and with only 4 weeks to go it’s closer to the sooner bit than the later bit! I know my favourites will be out sooner rather than later too but it won’t spoil it entirely cos it’s a magical program

*rose-coloured glasses fall off*
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Old 20-11-2005, 12:41
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Thank you Xadie. If you get Will's new album there is a video of him and his dancers performing Happiness which is completely different to last night's.

It also gives a new meaning to the words "Happiness don't last long"!

I love the song more and more everytime I hear it.
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Old 20-11-2005, 12:45
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good post bees but dont underestimate GBP cos i think they can see the best dancer (they still vote for their favs) but they can see who dances well
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Old 20-11-2005, 12:51
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Ahhhh.... and thats the beauty of it! If they can figure out a fleckerl (love it! can't let it go ) and want to vote on ability they can and if they've got no flaming clue and are just a legend in their own loungeroom and want to vote on what they think is ability - they can!

either way I'm at peace with it

btw Bendy - care to expand on your front runners
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Old 20-11-2005, 13:00
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Originally Posted by beesknees
Every point gained from the public vote is as valid to the total score as every point gained from the judges ranking. We have to accept that that's how it works. If they only want to rank couples on ability, don't bother with the public vote - the vast majority of us are not knowledgeable enough about dance to know our chassees from our jetees (a nod to those here who do!)
I completly agree with you, and if the public vote was based soley on dancing ability surely the voting lines wouldn't be open all week. They would have to wait until all the couples had finshed their dances on Saturday.

But I don't really mind how the voting works because I just love watching the show and there are no really bad dancers left in now anyway. And although I do have my 2 favourite couples it's not going to spoil things too much if they get voted out.

Edit: Sorry GlenP, I have just noticed that you have already mentioned the issue of the voting lines being open all week in another thread. http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...13&postcount=6
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Old 20-11-2005, 13:19
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Originally Posted by Shadow70
I completly agree with you, and if the public vote was based soley on dancing ability surely the voting lines wouldn't be open all week. They would have to wait until all the couples had finshed their dances on Saturday.

But I don't really mind how the voting works because I just love watching the show and there are no really bad dancers left in now anyway. And although I do have my 2 favourite couples it's not going to spoil things too much if they get voted out.
Phew! Thanks Shadow. I fear the flames!

It's sad today - instead of everyone who's favourites got through being happy and positive and looking forward to next week there's a lot of misery

I really liked Will and for a nanosecond felt really sad he and Hanna had to leave but I'll feel a little bit of that for everyone who goes now so might as well get used to it and just enjoy!
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Old 20-11-2005, 13:30
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Originally Posted by getty
I'm confused by your comments, how can a salsa song not fit in with SCD? I thought it was a great show last night, well apart from the end results.

To me, it wasn't really a song at all.
But I have to admit that I find Will Young terminally irritating. Perhaps that's why I disliked the song.
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Old 20-11-2005, 13:35
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Originally Posted by easygoingremi
Base on the way the judges and the public are voting, the final will have Zoe, Bill and Patsy in them. Does everyone else agree?

PS Even Craig at his worst never behave the way Arlene seems to be behaving in the past couple of weeks. (And I used to like her!)

Ha, ha! Yes, quite agree. The public votes really can turn the votes of the judges upside downcan't they?? Anton will be worried that he was in the bottom two last night - does that mean that he and Patsy will be out next week?? Bill should have gone last night - yeah, yeah, he's made a sterling effort despite his foot but he's the worst mover of the lot now - but seemingly, he has a lot of fans out there! James - much as I love him - hardly smiled during the Salsa, he was concentrating so hard. I agree with Bruno's comments of a few weeks ago - last night James really did have a look of a murderer, bless him. Zoe is COMPLETELY overrated by the judges which is beginning to grate!! As has been said, her performance did not deserve a 10. Would love to see HER shock exit - that'd wipe the sickly smug grin off her face!! When Jill Halfpenny received 10s, it was because she deserved them - she was superb - Zoe is not. LOVE Darren for his fun attitude towards this whole experience. He was such fun during the Salsa training and even when he was twirling Lilia round last night, again, he was smiling away and loving it.

The next few weeks are gonna be tough...
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Old 20-11-2005, 13:49
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I dislike Zoe more and more with every week.

And I'm sure it's some peculiar strain of Britishness coming out.
As a nation, we like the underdog, the entertainer, the one who's not good, but by God he tries.

This is a nation who idolises Eddie the Eagle, for goodness sake!

Zoe is the best female dancer, but is by no means the best overall dancer.
And Zoe and Ian are too perfect for me to like. Never a hair out of place, always smiling, always so bright and sparkly... it's unnatural

I love Bill, simply because you can see the effort that he puts in, but that does not mean that he should be in the competition for much longer.

I adore Patsy and Anton. Well, I adore Anton, which automatically makes Patsy my favourite, even though it's Anton's personality that keeps her afloat.

Darren is a natural, and an unlikely natural as well - his jive was stunning. Also, I liked his funny Paso Doble face, which has to be worth something!

James is quite endearing, but the only thing keeping him in last week were a pair of sparkly braces and a nation full of lustful women.

But I think that Colin shot himself in the foot last night, talking about 10s all the time. He should let them be spontaneous - maybe laying off the subliminal messaging.

Nobody can deny that Zoe and Ian are amazingly able as a couple, but they're almost too perfect for me to like them. It's horrid to dislike someone because they're very good at something, but when they're the judges' golden couple, it sows little niggling seeds of irritation in the back of one's mind. Well, it does mine anyway.

It's the green eyed monster in me, I know...
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Old 20-11-2005, 14:07
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Linoleic I think your comments on each couple pretty much summed up the night for me
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Old 20-11-2005, 14:09
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Originally Posted by LinoleicAcid
But I think that Colin shot himself in the foot last night, talking about 10s all the time. He should let them be spontaneous - maybe laying off the subliminal messaging.
It was pretty difficult to miss that comment! I heard it once on ITT and THREE times on SCD. The Beeb seemed absolutely determined to make sure we all heard it. What I'd really like to hear is the question that prompted it. If the question was along the lines of "Which dance is the one at which you think you have the best chance at scoring a 10?" it puts the comment into a completely different light don't you think?
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Old 20-11-2005, 14:09
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Originally Posted by beesknees
Linoleic I think your comments on each couple pretty much summed up the night for me
Well, I can't help being able to put everyone's thoughts down into a few humble words.

It's a gift I suppose...

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Old 20-11-2005, 14:13
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Originally Posted by LinoleicAcid
Nobody can deny that Zoe and Ian are amazingly able as a couple, but they're almost too perfect for me to like them. It's horrid to dislike someone because they're very good at something, but when they're the judges' golden couple, it sows little niggling seeds of irritation in the back of one's mind. Well, it does mine anyway.
Very aptly put, the judges favouritism towards these two is so off putting , and last nights scores just underlined this too much. It has done them no favours at all, and sadly the talent that Zoe undoubtedly has will be overshadowed by this in the following weeks.
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Old 20-11-2005, 14:15
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Originally Posted by Annied
It was pretty difficult to miss that comment! I heard it once on ITT and THREE times on SCD. The Beeb seemed absolutely determined to make sure we all heard it. What I'd really like to hear is the question that prompted it. If the question was along the lines of "Which dance is the one at which you think you have the best chance at scoring a 10?" it puts the comment into a completely different light don't you think?
Interesting point. Anyway why shouldn't he aim for a 10, he has got the talent and puts in the effort?
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Old 20-11-2005, 14:54
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Hello....sorry I started this thread and then went but I got really bad food poisoning or something half way through the show...and still feel crap today.

So I haven't read all this thread as I am off back to bed in a mo, so apologies if I am repeating anything.

For me, the wrong person went based on performances. I love Bill, but him and James were the worst last night, and, much as I like James, I like them all, I actually wanted him to go as he is the most wooden to me whereas on a few weeks Bill has really made me laugh and smile. I don't feel that when I watch James.

Will put in a great performance, and his foxtrot a few weeks ago was the best dance for me so far this series (i disagree that Colin's was the best...it was great, but I liked Wills better.)

Colin did put me off with his '10' remarks, much as I went off Denise last year when she made a few arrogant comments. Technically I love him, but I can't warm to him, but then I never did when he was an athlete either...so maybe it is because of that.

He is a lovely dancer though.

Darren was the dance of the night for me...he gave it his all and I am amazed at him week by week that a butch guy like him is so light on his feet and is not embarrassed to throw himself around.

Patsy did make mistakes, but Anton carried her....and I thought they looked lovely...not bottom two.

Zoe was great....I think a lot of people here don't think that having a flick through? But I actually thought she looked wonderful last night and she really was lovely to watch. I do hate the fact the judges are so biased towards her..but I don't think you can blame her for that.

The salsa was brilliant..I loved it. Loved those sexy tango guys too!

Well that was my take on it all, if anyone is interested (I wouldn't be) and sorry if anyone disagrees....we all have our own opinions.

I think Patsy may go next week...I hope not.

My three favourites are still Darren, Patsy (well Anton...how I would love him to get to a final just once) and Bill....though just as he tries so hard and is so sweet.

The rest I still all like but I do think Will was robbed, and it may turn into a competition of who we like best as a celebrity rather than the best dancer. Having voted myself for who I thought was the best dancer the last two shows, I must admit this year I am looking more at the most improved and the one who tries and gives it there all...so maybe I am guilty of that too.

Back off to bed now as I feel really sick.

Bye all.
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Old 20-11-2005, 14:58
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Colin is not a celeb for acting but for competing something he has done for years always striving to win gold or beat a time barrier so of course it would reflect in his attitude to this competiion he is striving for a 10.

Zoe and Ian far far from perfect and certainly not that good as to warrant a 10

I respect your liking of Tony oops Anton (I hate that false name) all I will say you obviously dont know him
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Old 20-11-2005, 15:03
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Well, well, its good to see that the BBC Hype monsters are doing their job, if anything the mood on here has got worse since last night. Why is everyone being so horrible about Zoe and Ian, presumably you wouldnt be happy if they'd only got 7's or 8ts last night, but they danced wonderfully and got a 10, its allowed you know!!
Also no one seems to have noticed that Arlene was showing blatant favoritism towards Colin last night, after the salsa she said that "this one dance had earned him the right to be in the final" very wrong to say such a thing no matter how good the dance was, I dont deny he and erin are great or that I love Ian and Zoe, but more than that I love the show and hate all this backbiting and bitching about the people in it.
Its an entertainment show, we watch it (or at least I do) because it makes me feel good, love the costumes the gorgeous people and the music and the competative edge especially this time.
But I think the powers that be are doing their best to cause furore between the contestants and the with the fans.
they need a bad boy cos they dont have Brendan, so lets accuse Anton of storming off, (couldnt storm if he tried he's so sweet).
Lets show the bad bits of the training so we get a skewed vision of how they all get on, etc etc etc......

Please can we start having fun on here again, its so depressing to come on and find everyone so down, we all love the show so can we keep doing that and be happier about a show we all love.
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