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Why doesn't Alex tell Jade how he feels?
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Alrightmate
12-07-2002
I thought Jade had spilled the beans about everyone already.
tamara
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SugarHiccup
I think the reason Alex won't tell Jade off is - he's teffified she'll tell the hm's what he and Adele said about them and how much they despise them. I remember Alex and Adele talking in the bedroom (I think it was the night they all had to go to the poor side) Alex looked really worried and said to Adele.....'she heard everything we've said' what shall we do!? Then, they both (at Adele's hints to Alex) started the 'Jade twists everything' she'll stab us in the back. They both got busy being friendly with the hm's they 'disliked'' and started the 'Jade can't be trusted' she's been talking about all of you.
The old ...attack is better than defence, routine. And it worked!
Alex knows he only has to bide his time, he's not going to risk upsetting Jade at this stage. He'll continue to complain about Jade to the hm's but to her face, he'll be charm itself.

Final analysis: his entire goal is to keep her under control and to gain something. Her silence!
”

Gosh, are you sure you are watching BB? Everybody knows she doesn't keep her mouth shut, and she adds her own input in what she tells. It's evident for HM and public she is the less reliable person ever. Alex knows or suspects that she has already talked about what was talked in front of her. He can be naive, but he is not as stupid as you will like him to be. He has already offer Kate and PJ support in confronting her. You can conclude that he is a coward. I prefer to think that he doesn't want to be the only one to go for it, perhaps he thinks that there is not point and will make things worse. Why are you so eager in creating this pathetic picture of terrorized Alex and don't go for a more simplistic answer. If everybody confront Jade perhaps something will happen. One on one so far has not good results. Remember how Jade acted after PJ confronted her.

Your last point is utterly ridiculous. Jade and silence is something that will never happen and all the HM (included Alex )know it
platelet
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SugarHiccup
I remember Alex and Adele talking in the bedroom ... Then, they both (at Adele's hints to Alex) started the 'Jade twists everything' she'll stab us in the back... And it worked!
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so he doesn't care, her silence is totally irrelevant now, she’s no longer a player, she’s just making up the numbers for Tim’s eviction, immediately after that she goes in the surprise eviction so why would he give a s**t one way or another?
jimmc
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SugarHiccup
I think the reason Alex won't tell Jade off is - he's teffified she'll tell the hm's what he and Adele said about them and how much they despise them. I remember Alex and Adele talking in the bedroom (I think it was the night they all had to go to the poor side) Alex looked really worried and said to Adele.....'she heard everything we've said' what shall we do!? Then, they both (at Adele's hints to Alex) started the 'Jade twists everything' she'll stab us in the back. They both got busy being friendly with the hm's they 'disliked'' and started the 'Jade can't be trusted' she's been talking about all of you.
The old ...attack is better than defence, routine. And it worked!
Alex knows he only has to bide his time, he's not going to risk upsetting Jade at this stage. He'll continue to complain about Jade to the hm's but to her face, he'll be charm itself.

Final analysis: his entire goal is to keep her under control and to gain something. Her silence!
”

and started the 'Jade can't be trusted' she's been talking about all of you

Well said you've summed Alex up good
Nuggie
12-07-2002
He's a coward and he is also two faced.
Double
12-07-2002
She can't be trusted, especially by Kate, as she is the one who broke a confidence of Kate's regarding the sexual activities between her and Spencer. For a girl like Kate who is very aware after being callled a ' slag ' over the wall, this is a big betrayal.

PJ is now aware that she said that both he and Spencer were exploiting Alex - which was some of the reason why they were left behind in the poorhouse.

Also, when asked by PJ what Alex and Adele had said about him, far from a stream of back stabbing comments, Jade told him the only thing they said was ' he sits on the fence too much ', and ' is funny ' . Which is, pretty much, what they've said to his face. How is this a big revelation?

Revelations about the slagging of Jonny ? Again a damp squib, Alex and Jonny just try to get along together as politely as possible, no fake hugs and kisses there, so no deception. The criticism that Jonny ' plays to the cameras ' was denied by Adele, which was a lie. Not sure if Alex agreed.

Both Adele and Alex said that everything they've heard about Kate has come through Jade. On the 'live' night after the divide came down Kate said something to Alex about ' I never said that ' referring to some lie of Jade's.


I'm sorry, but the evidence has been there for weeks that Jade does twist things. No amount of editing will erase:

her betrayal of Kate
Her backstabbing of Spencer+PJ in the poor house
her grassing of Adele and Alex
her grassing of Jonny and PJ on Satuday last when they told her not to.
Her instigation of the slagging of Sophie's body
her original double agent role in weeks 1 and 2
her comments re: deserved bullying and batty boys to Alex.

You get the picture.

In the context of the game, they owe her no honesty, as she has shown none herself, but more importantly, no one can criticise Jade, if it isn't laced with ego-flattery and pats. I imagine they're sick of doing that for 'babba'.
ubermind
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SugarHiccup
I think the reason Alex won't tell Jade off is - he's teffified she'll tell the hm's what he and Adele said about them and how much they despise them. I remember Alex and Adele talking in the bedroom (I think it was the night they all had to go to the poor side) Alex looked really worried and said to Adele.....'she heard everything we've said' what shall we do!? Then, they both (at Adele's hints to Alex) started the 'Jade twists everything' she'll stab us in the back. They both got busy being friendly with the hm's they 'disliked'' and started the 'Jade can't be trusted' she's been talking about all of you.
The old ...attack is better than defence, routine. And it worked!
Alex knows he only has to bide his time, he's not going to risk upsetting Jade at this stage. He'll continue to complain about Jade to the hm's but to her face, he'll be charm itself.

Final analysis: his entire goal is to keep her under control and to gain something. Her silence!
”

If Jade actually had anything on Jade se would have said it long ago. Besides in all those Adele, Jade, Alex discussions Jade was about 1000 times more vocal about who she hates compared to Alex. Alex said very little.

Jade has proven pretty much impossibele to reason with, so instead of getting into a useless shouting match with her Alex just avoids it, which quite honestly I don't blame him for.

Look at how fruitful PJ's argument was with her. She didn't listen to a word he said, so what's the use in trying to talk to someone like that.
dicey
12-07-2002
I don't think alex was out of order at all, it's the editing that's showing him a bad light. I can see why he wouldn't want to tell Jade what he thinks, god could you be bothered knowing what sort of reaction you would get from her.
nelly-j
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by LadyKnight


Me too. She was really listening to him and very interested in what he was saying. Even got the geography almost right. My guess would have been just about as good as hers.

Yet he went outside and said that about her.

LK - didn't think that was very nice at all
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oh well at least the lovely ex model isn't playing up to the cameras or being dishonest or bitchy or snide or snobby or pervy(the other night with kate in bed) or out to ridicule people ....yay alex he's so perfect ..his parents must be soooooo proud.
oops i think my tongue is so far in my cheek it's licking my ear lobe....lol
chrissie
12-07-2002
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“Originally posted by dicey
I don't think alex was out of order at all, it's the editing that's showing him a bad light. I can see why he wouldn't want to tell Jade what he thinks, god could you be bothered knowing what sort of reaction you would get from her. ”

I agree with you dicey - its the editing - i was watching on the live stream last night - he spent ages talking to her and listening to her about how her boyfriend apparently beat her up. It must have got very personal as they cut the sound for ages.

At this stage Jade needs someone to listen to her - she is coming in for a lot of stick - much of it deserved I know - but two wrongs dont make a right.
ubermind
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by nelly-j



oh well at least the lovely ex model isn't playing up to the cameras or being dishonest or bitchy or snide or snobby or pervy(the other night with kate in bed) or out to ridicule people ....yay alex he's so perfect ..his parents must be soooooo proud.
oops i think my tongue is so far in my cheek it's licking my ear lobe....lol
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Funny how you pretty much described Jonny in this post.
observer
12-07-2002
Please, those who are warming up to Jade, you are free to do so (she did became calmer since the Psychologisyt talked to her, goodness know what she told her), but don't try to rewrite BB3 history for us to try and paint her the misunderstood victim. We have all watched BB3 from the begining and we know what was going on, so don't brush all the things that Jade did/said under a rug and hope no one shakes it. If Jade has problems, then you should find a way to help her, not pat her on the back telling her "it's allright my dear, all was not your fault , you have been led to do what you did". Please!!!

And Jade has said everything she knows , if she had anything else to say (against any other HM, be it against Adele or Alex or Kate, etc) she would have said it by now believe me.
SugarHiccup
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by platelet


so he doesn't care, her silence is totally irrelevant now, she’s no longer a player, she’s just making up the numbers for Tim’s eviction, immediately after that she goes in the surprise eviction so why would he give a s**t one way or another?
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Exactly! he doesn't 'need' to give a s**t - He knows now anything Jade would say wouldn't be believed. I still maintain he's not too keen on confronting Jade - incase she says something he'll regret. , Heaven knows he's not shy speaking his mind (oh, I forgot, that's only to the cameras, or, in private with his accomplice <s>) Or, when he's trying to highlight a hm's fault He's very vocal then. I guess it has all worked out well for Alex, people have short memories where he's concerned - except, yours truly
tamalyn
12-07-2002
I think the arguement with PJ was a bit stupid, he would not listen to her at all, he kept butting in and then he told everyone, Jade went off on one, when actually she was very cool and apologetic, and had obviosly learnt by her mistakes
ubermind
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SugarHiccup


Exactly! he doesn't 'need' to give a s**t - He knows now anything Jade would say wouldn't be believed. I still maintain he's not too keen on confronting Jade - incase she says something he'll regret. , Heaven knows he's not shy speaking his mind (oh, I forgot, that's only to the cameras, or, in private with his accomplice <s>) Or, when he's trying to highlight a hm's fault He's very vocal then. I guess it has all worked out well for Alex, people have short memories where he's concerned - except, yours truly
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I think some people have demented memories about Alex, he didn't say much when it came to Adele's and Jade's bitch sessions. He said stuff against Jonny when he did bitch but then he didn't really pretend to like Jonny from the beginning.
SugarHiccup
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by tamara


Gosh, are you sure you are watching BB? Everybody knows she doesn't keep her mouth shut, and she adds her own input in what she tells. It's evident for HM and public she is the less reliable person ever. Alex knows or suspects that she has already talked about what was talked in front of her. He can be naive, but he is not as stupid as you will like him to be. He has already offer Kate and PJ support in confronting her. You can conclude that he is a coward. I prefer to think that he doesn't want to be the only one to go for it, perhaps he thinks that there is not point and will make things worse. Why are you so eager in creating this pathetic picture of terrorized Alex and don't go for a more simplistic answer. If everybody confront Jade perhaps something will happen. One on one so far has not good results. Remember how Jade acted after PJ confronted her.

Your last point is utterly ridiculous. Jade and silence is something that will never happen and all the HM (included Alex )know it
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So, you admit Alex knows/suspects that Jade has talked about what 'they' were saying (do you remember the 'vicious' things they used to say about hm's? I do) and maybe you're getting an edited version of BB, but the version I've seen showed Alex/Adele having private conversations in which they ...swore about hm's, and worse! Alex, Adele, Sandy, Jade and now Tim are the only people that talk privately but 'on camera' to disparage hm's...in a very contemptious way.

Alex has no need to worry now, he and Adele made sure of that when they got to the other hm's first!
And as we all know, who's going to believe anything Jade says now, even if it is true.
BTW, did you not see Alex and Adele have that conversation where they discussed Jade and how much she knew of their conversations? Alex looked very worried indeed, untill Adele 'hinted' that Jade twists everything - meaning that's what we should tell hm's.....BINGO! Alex soon realised what she was insinuating. Well, If you did see it, did it not occur to you to ask, why are they so concerned if they've done nothing wrong?
ubermind
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by SugarHiccup


So, you admit Alex knows/suspects that Jade has talked about what 'they' were saying (do you remember the 'vicious' things they used to say about hm's? I do) and maybe you're getting an edited version of BB, but the version I've seen showed Alex/Adele having private conversations in which they ...swore about hm's, and worse! Alex, Adele, Sandy, Jade and now Tim are the only people that talk privately but 'on camera' to disparage hm's...in a very contemptious way.

Alex has no need to worry now, he and Adele made sure of that when they got to the other hm's first!
And as we all know, who's going to believe anything Jade says now, even if it is true.
BTW, did you not see Alex and Adele have that conversation where they discussed Jade and how much she knew of their conversations? Alex looked very worried indeed, untill Adele 'hinted' that Jade twists everything - meaning that's what we should tell hm's.....BINGO! Alex soon realised what she was insinuating. Well, If you did see it, did it not occur to you to ask, why are they so concerned if they've done nothing wrong?
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They were concerned because Jade is a loud mouth vicious liar who slags off everyone behind their back. Name one HM that Jade hasn't slagged off. I can't think of one.
LoNDoNcaLLiNg
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by tamara


Gosh, are you sure you are watching BB? Everybody knows she doesn't keep her mouth shut, and she adds her own input in what she tells. It's evident for HM and public she is the less reliable person ever. Alex knows or suspects that she has already talked about what was talked in front of her. He can be naive, but he is not as stupid as you will like him to be. He has already offer Kate and PJ support in confronting her. You can conclude that he is a coward. I prefer to think that he doesn't want to be the only one to go for it, perhaps he thinks that there is not point and will make things worse. Why are you so eager in creating this pathetic picture of terrorized Alex and don't go for a more simplistic answer. If everybody confront Jade perhaps something will happen. One on one so far has not good results. Remember how Jade acted after PJ confronted her.

Your last point is utterly ridiculous. Jade and silence is something that will never happen and all the HM (included Alex )know it
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the ridiculous thing you have said, is Alex is naive,your not one of the sad people that would like to mother him are you?
The reason he doesn't confront her is because his whole game plan will be shot to peice's. because he is so 2 faced, the other's (not tim) don't know to the extent his backstabbing was against them. that's why, he is so scared of Jade letting the cat out of the bag, I for one hope she does spill the bean's.
SugarHiccup
12-07-2002
[quote]Originally posted by ubermind


They were concerned because Jade is a loud mouth vicious liar who slags off everyone behind their back. Name one HM that Jade hasn't slagged off. I can't think of one.
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Oh, did I miss something!? Was Jade talking to herself when she was doing all the bitching?
Did you miss somthing? Like, anytime Alex and Adele were alone 'on camera 'disparaging hm's? Jade - when she was on the rich side joining in with them?
When you 've watched BB in the past few weeks did you see any of the Adele/Alex 'private' conversations about hm's? Was Adele talking to herself ?
nelly-j
12-07-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by ubermind


They were concerned because Jade is a loud mouth vicious liar who slags off everyone behind their back. Name one HM that Jade hasn't slagged off. I can't think of one.
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now name one hm that hasn't bitched about jade or indeed every hm in there.
Tissy
12-07-2002
I don`t think Alex has got the balls to confront Jade , sorry but I find him very weak and shallow.
He moaned and sulked about the way Jonny portayed him in the `puppet` task but didnt have to bottle to approach Jonny and ask him not to show him in that light.
When the task was given last week, he suggested 2 that hadnt been up for nomination go up this week - yet was easily over-ruled by Tim.
i could go on and on with examples .........
If Alex, for once, would stand up for himself without being prompted, cajoled or manipulated by Sandy, Adele or Tim
he would def go up in my estimation of him
Sorry if I have offended any Alex admirers!!
SugarHiccup
12-07-2002
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“Originally posted by thinker
I don`t think Alex has got the balls to confront Jade , sorry but I find him very weak and shallow.
He moaned and sulked about the way Jonny portayed him in the `puppet` task but didnt have to bottle to approach Jonny and ask him not to show him in that light.
When the task was given last week, he suggested 2 that hadnt been up for nomination go up this week - yet was easily over-ruled by Tim.
i could go on and on with examples .........
If Alex, for once, would stand up for himself without being prompted, cajoled or manipulated by Sandy, Adele or Tim
he would def go up in my estimation of him
Sorry if I have offended any Alex admirers!!
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Agree with you mostly, but!

it don't think it was 'big' of Alex to suggest the 2 that hadn't been up for nomination go. It's easy to be 'seen' to be magnanimous when you know you're in the clear i.e. he was up previously up for nomination so it wouldn't have been him. As for the puppet task - all Jonny did was mimic Alex's voice (got it exactly right, to) saying 'Hello, my Name is Alex and I'm a mod -dell and I think peeing in the shower is disgusting!' What's wrong with that? (Alex said it enough times) Didn't all hm's do the same? (imitate each other in a funny way) Is his ego that big he can't laugh (even pretend, like other hm's) at himself? Why was Alex the only one to complain? As for hm's who 'cajoled' Alex, maybe they recognised that he is weak/shallow. It seems, with Alex, flattery gets you everywhere.
Like you, Thinker, I could go on with lots of examples but I try my best to avoid typing - and reading posts that go on and on.....

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