My brother is severly dyslexic an d went undiagnosed until well into his teens - as a result his "lack of interest & bad behaviour" was put down to rebelliousness and many teachers refused to even try and help him.

Fortunately for my brother my Mom was convinced that he was a "good person" and there was something driving him to behave so badly and after much persistance he was eventually diagnosed. He has since gone on to qualify in an "intellectual" profession and passed very difficult exams and now holds a very well paid job (at the tender age of 22!) and has surpassed anyones expecatations.

Dyslexia is a FRUSTRATING disease especially if you don't know that you have it. Jade is not from the loving environment that my brother grew up in and has had to deal with not only a possible medical condition but also a severly dysfunctional family. I would never try and make any kind of diagnosis as I'm not a medical professional but if that is indeed the case and she is dyslexic then it may explain her apparent "stupidity"...

All through the years that my brother went undiagnosed I have to stress that he was naughty and always in trouble but he was never vindictive or nasty to anyone and therefore I don't believe that Jade should be excused for her nasty, bitchy antics in the house!!! I think that whatever afflictions one may have basic decency and humanity come at no expense to people who are genuinely nice...

spearish

have just read the psych thread, and have a sneaking suspicion we may be in the same proffession.

x

Speaking of wool pulling, did anyone notice that on BBLB last night Dermot said that, whilst usually the mid week polls clearly show who is going to be evicted, this week they were all 50:50. In other words, keep ringing your votes in, they do make a difference.

So far as I'm aware all the polls show a roughly 70:30 split (PJ:Kate) which means there is very little point in phoning in your vote as the ratio is unlikely to change much before tonight.

Channel 4/E4 wouldn't be trying to mislead the public into making futile phone calls just to boost there phone revenue income would they?

You've said it for me, Spoon. She has at all times had a choice.

I wondered that too - hasn't helped though still can't be aresed to vote this week

I found that surprising cos like you say the polls havent been 50:50, everywhere you look there seems to be overwhelming support for Kate. I think its about 70:30/60:40 (PJ:Kate) and PJ is the strong bookies favourite to be going tonight.

Maybe it was just a slip-up by Dermott who hasnt been analysing the polls himself.

Spanky
<Wondering if they will sense she is a huge Dermott fan>

I would say that, without a doubt, the editing has been very favourable to Jade. A lot of people have made this point and then they did that awful Jades Mum/Avid skit around her house to get even more people on her side.

I think it's a shame. Big Brother is supposed to be about you as a person and they're not showing real people, and they wouldn't even have this lovely footage of Jade to show anyway if she wasn't told by the psychotherapist to stop acting the way she was. To me, this is contact with the outside world. They show the group being mean to her but they haven't once shown the reasons for them doing so... More has been revealed about her lies over the last week, and none of this has been shown... It's pathetic.



I didn't see Big Brothers Little Brother but Dermot trying to suggest the voting is 50/50 is just a joke. The RI:SE polls all started around 80/20 or 75/25 and then went down a little (they did this with Jonny/Sophie)... Is he preparing us for some kind of fix? Hopefully not. But If Kate goes I expect everyone going to shout "fix!"

RI:SE and DS polls have been almost right for every eviction so far..
If Kate is evicted then I think 'fix' will be a valid word to use.

when jade was crying with jonny the other hms were indeed in the next room slagging jade off. they were all assuming she was bitching about them .even saying poor jonny for having to listen to her...if anything it wasn't accurate enough.
still think bb should send alex,pj and tim a laminate saying that jade was right certain planes do have downstairs loos.

I dont think Jade is dyslexic. When she was all by herself in the pool a few mornings ago she was reading the laminated instructions at the back of the pool without any difficulty at all.

I cant believe that people think Jade was "made" to be horrible to Sophie by Adele - or anyone else for that matter. No matter who was around me, I would never say such horrible things and behave in that way. She did it because she wanted to and she enjoyed doing it. She is street-wise and NOT a weakling.

Kate and Alex did not ignore Jade when she interrupted an enjoyable conversation; she rudely just stood there waiting for them to take notice her. She didnt even want anything in the bathroom. Kate smiled at her and after a natural break in the sentence, spoke to her. What's so wrong with Kate and Alex having a really happy, nice conversation for a while without interruption?

Daisyanne

Yes..Jade needs to improve, only she can do that, I agree. but maybe the people that call her frankly insulting names, want to shower her with ketchup when she leaves , have banners saying 'kill the pig', etc should also try to improve a bit?.

As for the media...I have had the sun and mirror delivered every weekday for the last 20 odd years.
Yesterday I was so fed up with their coverage Of BB , and Jade I cancelled both and am now getting a broadsheet instead.

I get the feeling now that Jade only bitched to reinforce friendships with various people as she was very insecure about her place in the house.

I also think she's a classic case of an intellegent woman who has had very little education (She reads Dave Peltzer novels..or tries)

The thing that has really stuck me about Jade this week is how she is treating PJ. Even though he's disowned her, did you notice the way she rubbed PJ's shoulders as he was crying? And again when PJ cut his finger and she went into a really genuine "mummy will make it better" mode which was very sweet.

Well said metafis ..your restoring my faith in human nature .

Smiling this morning

Some good has come out of this then

Remember that the broadsheets also slant the news - but at least they present debate instead of emotive and reactionary nonsense.

Really? Blimey, that speaks volumes about the tabloid agendas these days. They've really blown it with Big Brother this year.

Are we having the wool pulled over.....


We all develope different stratagies in the mental landscapes we grow up in.
Some will appear alien or desirable to others.

Maybe the trick is to reason why they are being used.
The actions might be repellent ,but the reasons they are being used are not.
Maybe its just the only thing known and available to use when pushed into a corner.

The action is not bad because the reason behind it is not bad.

Hmm - a very abstract post

Howvever I disagree with your argument - to put it into concrete terms.

Would for example the murder of Sadam Hussain (a bad action) be justified because I would be saving the western world (and maybe the people of Iraq)?

If that seems too clear cut what about the murder of Gerry Adams?

We have a moral responsibility for our actions and our motivations

Oh for pitys SAKE .this is a thread about a 21 year old girl and her sometimes unpleasant behaviour ....NOT world leaders !!!
Its a TV show

How dare you use these people to prove a point as examples for Jade or ANY other HM

It was more a comment on the rather abstract post - hence my choice of examples - rather than BB.

They where just the easiest black and white examples I could think of

Don't take it all so seriously

sorry spoon but using mass murderers as examples has that effect on some people

Every single HM has a negative view of Jade, she must be doing something wrong. The HMs are in there 24-7 with her and interact with her everyday. I'm inclined to believe that she is a rather nasty piece of work if she can get them all against her for no reason.

Jade has lost all her support thats why she is down in the dumps. She has no victim to abuse like Sophie anymore, so she has turned to being the victim. First Alex did her wrong then Kate did her wrong then PJ.

She seems to be systematically going through the HMs looking for someone to pick on.

If it really upsets you that much raise it with the moderators - like I say I was just trying to point out that you cannot justify bad acts by saying you are doing it for a good reason.

People have very subjective views on things but for some things almost everyone agrees and hence the example can be understood without lots of arguing.

Could her change of attitude be due to the fact that she was told by the psychologist not to bully any more and to look at her actions but also because she must be aware of what the public must think of her, they have had to put a mesh up, they have heard screams/shouts from people hating Jade. The HM's know she is not like by the public so the last thing they want to do is to associate themselves with her. This then results in Jade being alone and not having anyone to play off, or to be nasty to because I think also most of the HM's in the house would be able to stand up to Jade's bullying verbally and physically. Unfortunately for Jade, Jade has become the new Sophie in away and its the HM's who are now ganging up on her showing their dislike of her rediculing and in a way bullying her. The treatment she is receiving has been far worse in some ways than what Sophie ever received, she was never encouraged to take her clothes off.

Jade at the moment is doing her best to try and fit in to the group and please them in any way they can. Yes I feel sorry for her although I did dislike her, I do also feel that she was responsible for her own actions concerning the bullying and backstabbing. However I do feel that most of the HM's not just Adele was to blame in the Sophie business because PJ, Tim, Alex and Adele all laughed at her antics not once telling her to stop it, by laughing they encourgaged her more because they made her feel popular within the group. But I still feel the biggest instrument in the Sophie affair was Jade herself, I don't know why she suddenly just disliked her, it could have been the pressures in the house unfortunately it is something we will never know, I noticed in the web chat last night Adele did say she was surprised and ashamed at some of her own actions and did deserve some of boo's when leaving the house, I think personnally she was referring to the Sophie business and I am sure Jade will feel the same, as will some of HM's especially when they think of what they put Jade through because most of the lads have a little sister and I am sure they would not want their sister to go through what Jade as gone through this week.

I think Jade is going to need after all this business psychological help for the rest of her life because of the BB experience, this is going to be one nightmare she wont forget and will stay in her memory for her long time. But I also feel most of the HM's will have guilty dreams for a very long time.

Sorry, I disagree with your comments. You say she must be a nasty piece of work, but not necessarily. Could it be possible that they just find her irritating as she is rather loud? Just because they don't like her doesn't automatically mean she's nasty.

Also, you've said yourself that she was done wrong by Alex, Kate and PJ, but then you say she's looking for someone else to pick on - I don't believe that's right. I think she's looking for a friend in there - which is natural.

OK, she was well out of line with the Sophie thing, but I do believe that was something whipped up between her, Adele, Tim and Alex - she just went into overdrive and took it too far. She's immature, impressionable and naive. She does realise she has these faults and I hope she learns a lot from her experience in the house, as whatever her other faults are, she is very entertaining and is generally a happy person. Given her upbringing she could have some serious chips on her shoulder, but she doesn't. She smiles and gets on with things - not always in the best way, but hey - she can learn!

spoon.........


I was talking about Jade.
Something that she said set me thinking.
Thats all.
I think in an abstract way.
Is that not ok?
I was'nt expecting to change the world, just voicing something.
You don't have to agree...... I don't mind .... honestly.