Hmm actually she has been irritating and loud from day 1, but everyone still liked her. It wasn't till people got wise to her rants about other HMs that they started to dislike her. PJ said so much when he told her he wasn't sure if she had talked about him behind his back.

What I meant is that she perceives each of these people of doing her wrong, She was going through the list with Jonny the other day waiting for hom to join in which he didn't. Which is when the water works started.

I really think Jade is just plain stupid, she thinks that the others will forget her bitching and take pity on her. IMO I think she deserves no pity at all, instead she deserves a swift kick in the ass.

I though it was interesting on last night's show that when Jonny failed to reward the waterworks with any reassurance that the HMs loved their little Babba, and - horror of horrors - turned the conversation round to himself, the tears instantly stopped and she told him to P*** off - twice! Charming!
Jade is still treating them all as orbiting objects in the Jade-centred universe. Either they love her or they're of no interest/value to her. I don't think she's changed at all. The rest of the HMs have.

couldn't agree more Spoon.. Jade is what, a few months younger than PJ, a year younger than Kate? she may be the youngest but not by far - if we are going to make allowances for her age then we should do the same for Kate and PJ and if we treat them as responsible adults then ditto for Jade.

If you think back for 2 minutes to Sophie's last week in the house, Jade was absolutely disgusting in her behaviour towards her - she and Tim were much more abusive to Sophie than adele was, and adele may have agreed with Jade's bitching but never said "hey go and make her life a misery"... Jade was using her popularity at the time to abuse someone who didn't have any close friends...

ever since her visit with the psychologist she's been saying " i want to change" etc, but she's still been bitching and then saying "i hate liars" which is sooooo much rubbish... i think the real reason she's not bitching now is that actually she has noone to bitch with - everyone else is getting on with each other more or less (although will someone PLEASE shoot tim), and have decided to not make issues of things (eg Alex/Jonny) and thus aren't providing any opportuities for bitching.. except about Jade. Personally, i don't hate her, i don't think she's evil, but i do think she's completely created the situation she's in now and we sholdn't feel too sorry for her.

[quote]Originally posted by Rufus73
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Sorry, I disagree with your comments. You say she must be a nasty piece of work, but not necessarily. Could it be possible that they just find her irritating as she is rather loud? Just because they don't like her doesn't automatically mean she's nasty.

Also, you've said yourself that she was done wrong by Alex, Kate and PJ, but then you say she's looking for someone else to pick on - I don't believe that's right. I think she's looking for a friend in there - which is natural.

OK, she was well out of line with the Sophie thing, but I do believe that was something whipped up between her, Adele, Tim and Alex - she just went into overdrive and took it too far. She's immature, impressionable and naive. QUOTE]

Here Here!!! With regards to Sophie, Jade may of spoke the loudest but she wasn't the worst. The things Jade said about her were childish. the others had a far more sophisticated way of putting Sophie down and in my view that is far worse.

It's hard to see how the others' behaviour could have topped that of Jade, who looked ready to physically attack Sophie had they been on the same side of the divide. It was certainly Jade's behaviour which Sophie first noticed and queried with Kate.
The fact that Jade slipped into this behaviour pattern so easily speaks volumes imho.

People are talking about Jade as if she is a 15-16 year old girl, but she is a grown woman of 21.

I don't know what to make of Jade.

I found it interesting that she claims the one person she will keep in touch with from the House is Spencer. Jade was almost single handedly responsible for Spencer's nominations that led to his eviction. Does she not remember how much she bad mouthed him that week? Or does she really have that little awareness? She told blatant lies to Alex and she told Sophie that Spencer was poisoning people's minds against her. She told Adele and Alex that she would much rather Spencer went than Alex, then she WEPT when Spencer was evicted - she did seem genuinely upset.

She was awful to Sophie, but the others encouraged her (whether they meant to or not) by laughing along with her. Jade has always felt inferior to many people in the house and she seems to be willing to do anything to please the other housemates, or make them like her.

She's bizarre. A very mixed up girl.

No, she definitely laughed.

I mainly watch channel 4 and from what Ive seen of Jade she has been a vicious trouble maker right from the start. Adele may have done a bit of bitching but she didnt TELL jade what to think or say.
Now, the rest of the housemates also know what shes been up to and whats shes like ie:saying one thing to one and denying it to another and I feel that they simply have had enough of her.
Jade cant handle the fact that shes messed up and is now trying to use her tears to get back into good books. But, it wont work with them again....(she tried a turnaround once)
She very well might not know any other way to behave but shes 21. And way past the age of when she can blame her dyslexia/upbringing/homelife etc.

You are talking in terms of YEARS
Just cos you have a birthday every year doesnt necessarily mean you grow up as quickly as everyone else.

I was married with children before I STARTED to grow up.

In fact -now after many years - I sometimes dont feel as old as my peers.

And sometimes I dont act as old as I should.

Or do you believe in act your age not your shoe size ?

Having said that - I am in two minds about Jade - praps thats cos I'm not grown up

I've said all along in previous posts that I think her tale-telling etc. was born out of immaturity, rather than malice.
I have first-hand experience of a child with a learning difficulty, who acts the fool in order to cover it up.
Jade's whole personality could possibly be a result of immarurity, combined with something akin to dyslexia.

That doesn't explain the volume and facial expressions she uses though, does it? Poor old Sophie - singled out because Jade didn't like her face or her name...

Jade appears to be able to read perfectly well, so dyslexia seems unlikely. What is missing is any education or common sense. She went to a good school, so there is a suggestion here that she has chosen not to take her opportunities in life.

As for immaturity - it's not a disease you know, it's a personality flaw which must be rectified by the individual - usually by them doind a bit less shouting and a bit more thinking.

Dyslexia really is no excuse for being nasty or two faced. Certainly it can lead to a lack of self esteem and being very naive through lack of experience, but you could say this about Helen last year who also suffered with dyslexia... Helen certainly was never nasty however.

Some of the things Jade has said about the people she reckons she likes...

"I don't think Kate is pretty, she's got a big nose, wonky teeth and orange peel - I'm prettier than Kate"

(Jealous of her from day one)

She then went on to spread rumours about what Kate and Spencer had been up to under the covers, and continued to bad mouth Kate and then be lovely to her. All of which she'll deny.


"Spencer is disgusting, he stinks, he just makes me sick, I wouldn't be friends with someone like that on the outside world"

(the one person I never thought she'd slag off)

"I will crumble that girl (sophie) to smithereens"

Adele laughed, PJ and Alex looked disgusted. I was surprised Sophie forgave Jade so easily and targeted Adele... I remember the boxing thing she did on the sunday after she came out, she really went for the one with Jades picture on, and then after that it seemed to all be Adeles fault.

"PJ and Spencer are playing you for a fool, they're having a good laugh at how you're kissing their arses, they're making you look like a mug"

I'll never understand why she said this. Perhaps it was because she couldn't handle Alex being good friends with her two boys, Spence and Peej... This was no doubt the same reason she had problems with Kate.

What people need to remember is that the other house mates have really only started to hear what Jade has said about them, where as we've seen it for weeks. The way they are treating her is very much how we would have wanted them to 3 weeks ago.

As for her age... I still find it incredibly hard to believe that a girl who had to look after her sick mother for most of her teenage life has so little respect for the feelings of other people. I don't know the cirumstances but surely she shouldn't be as immature as she is, having to cope with something like that?

I expect to see her on Trisha in 6 months.

[COLOR=red]SHE'S NO ANGEL BUT NOR ARE THE HM[/COLOR]
EVERYTHING COMMENTED ON JADE IS TRUE BUT ONE THING LEFT OUT ARE THAT USUALLY THERE IS ONE OR TWO HM JOINING IN WITH JADE.
IT'S A GAME WHICH JADE'S NOT BRILL AT PLAYING BUT OTHER HOUSE MATES ARE TAKING THE PISS NOW
THE GAME WHERE SHE STRIPPED WAS CRUEL AND UNFAIR , THAT WAS'NT FUNNY IT WAS NASTY.
TO BE GANGED UP ON BY THE HOUSE MATES , WHEN MOST HAVE BEEN TWO-FACED WITH HER IS A JOKE,!!!!
SHE WONT WIN BUT SHE'S NOT THE DEVIL EITHER
LET'S JUST GIVE THE GIRL A BREAK AS THE HM AND PRESS AREN'T

I've not spent much time trying to analyse Jade's character, all I know is that she irritated me in the first few weeks with her screeching express train talking and baby talk and idiotic sayings but I never found a reason to dislike her. There are Jade's all around us wherever we go. I see elements of Jade in many of my daughters friends.

All of the HM's have their bad sides as well as good with no exceptions. The nakedness thing was a disgrace and any one of those housemates could have called a halt. From what I could see, most of the other HM's were still fully clothed. Ok I know that Jade's a big girl and could have said I'm not playing this any more but it's hard to be rational after having consumed large amounts of alcohol.

I think we are beginning to see a bit more of the real Jade now. I think a lot of her loudness and idiocy was as a result of having an audience and a lot of her nastiness was fuelled by Adele who encouraged it.

I just feel very sad for Jade now. In the earlier days her tears were too easy but now the tears are real. I also agree with a previous post that at least Jade has admitted that she has faults and is trying to do something about it, albeit maybe a little too late. I can never see PJ or Tim being able to do that.

Watching Jade is like reading a teenagers photo story angst comic. For all her faults I think she has been great viewing and has provided us with some of the best BB3 moments.

In a years time people may still be saying.....'I wonder what became of that Jade bint from Big Brother' . Most of the others wouldn't be given a second thought once its all over.

Thanks for all the structured posts, and sorry for the unstructured can't see the wood for the trees posts.

I posted my thoughts to provoke thoughts and a structured debate on 2 morals:-

1. Being Jade, and does she deserve our initial thoughts?

2. Being BB, and are we being manipulated by their editing.

Seems strange that over 90 % of the thread is dedicated to Jade, but very little has been posted about the editing?

What does this suggest?

If you ask me it seems that most people on here are caught up in their own thoughts, not wanting to be proved wrong and definately not wanting to admit being wrong. They have built views on HM's, but nothing more.

In a nut shell, I guess what I'm saying is were all MUGS, being manipulated by the editing of what we are shown.

Even on E4, they cut the sound, move the camera away, under the pretense that its because people are swearing etc. So why move the camera away, incase you can lipread and see what they are actually saying when the sound is cut!!

Were all missing the bigger picture

FF

Where's Grammar Patrol when you need him?

To be honest I think that the whole editing is a can of worms.

For a start one man (or womans) baised for edtiing is another man (or womans) biased against. So if we can't even agree about what is biased and what is not - how on earth would you deliberatly edit to achieve bias.

The only way to decide would be to invent an object marking scheme or to have a team of people rating shows for there bias and collecting the results.

Apart from the fact that everyone and their dog have a different view of what the bias is - a large amount of us have access to feeds etc. Now although these can also be biased it is much harder. What is seen on the feeds gets reported and seems to tally (allowing for time constraints) fairly well with the C$ and BBLB shows.

The last thing is motive - there is a good argument for the portrayal of Jade having been toned down - except that the website was reporting that she spent the morning slagging people off - not very pro Jade. The other feasible motive is that they want the phone votes close to make more money - this is possible I admit.

As for there being a script for the whole (2 month) show - why bother - why not shove a bunch of people in a house and see what happens (occasionally stirring to make things more difficult) - whatever happens is going to be compelling tv - 'cos people are people and do unexpected things

Most threads tend to go off on a tangent, thats the nature of forums I guess.

I don't think its too easy for BB to pull the wool over peoples eyes because a vast proportion of the viewers either have E4 or watch via internet or read the websites be it the official C4 one or others such as this and therefore can make up their own minds about how they perceive a housemate.

However, those that only watch the 10pm C4 programme are probably very influenced by the way its all edited. I have often watched something on E4 and then seen it a few days later on C4 but cropped and not giving the viewer the full picture.

So my own answer to your question would be, no I don't think the wool is being pulled over our eyes...
therefore you must be going soft! LOL

Jade is horrible and spiteful and deserves what she gets. I can not believe that people are falling for C4 editing to show her in a good light. Your all fools who fall for her it's me against the world. Something else I must say if she is dyslextic that does not mean you are thick it has nothing to do with being dim. The girls just a cruel person

hmmm I'm not so sure...C4 showed Jade crying to Johnny.

They had to show it because it happenned. How can anyone say they only showed it to show her in a good light. If they hadn't have shown it then Jade supporters would have deemed that to be editing to KEEP her in a BAD light. Actually my opinions didn't so much change as to how I felt about Jade, it was Johnny's sympathetic approach to Jade that changed MY opinion of HIM. Therefore could I just as easily say that the programme was edited to show Johnny in a good light?

As I reported earlier, on last Thursday's BBLB Dermot said the polls at that point were, unusually, 50:50. To my knowledge at that point they were all between 65:35 and 70:30, which raised my suspicions. The final result was 81:19.

Does anyone believe Dermot/BBLB sincerely believed the polls were 50:50 last Thursday evening and that it was therefore still worth casting a vote, as he urged us to do?

Or is this a blatent attempt to squeeze more phone vote revenue from an uninformed public by actually lying to them?

YOU DECIDE!

yes it is in my opinion definately a blatent attempt to squeeze more phone vote revenue from an uninformed public by actually lying to them